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User currently offlineFlying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Good day to all.

Just wanna check on the status of Domestic Air travel in Egpyt. Cant seem to find pictures that solve my question. Besides MS, are there other domestic operators in the country?

Also, it seems like there is nothing to spot in egypt or that nobody goes there to spot. Can anyone also advice on the spotting status in Cairo? Really appreciate all information contributed.

Regards,
Mthks

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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7628 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

I have just come back from Egypt.

Apart from MS, the most common carriers that I saw were Air Memphis and Lotus.

I am going out now, but will post some details tommorrow about spotting.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Ask Horus - he is the dude when it comes to all things Egyptian.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

I lived in Egypt for a good portion of 2005. MS is the only scheduled service in Egypt. Other than them, it's a bunch of charters.

I was *severely* reprimanded and detained for taking a photo of something (non-av related) the Egyptian security forces did not want me taking. I would be extremely cautious about photographing planes in Egypt. If you are Egyptian then obviously you know how things work there, and how overzealous security is, when they feel like it.

But no other regularly scheduled domestic airlines than good-old MS. Don't you just love government protectionism.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
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I flew last year from LXR to CAI in route to BCN in a T20 of Air Cairo.

Well, great aircraft, bad conservation of plane and worst crew.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7628 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Alexandria (Bourg El Arab) Military or ex Military, (not clear) Terminal the size of Bristol 30 years ago and about 5 flights a day. Camera best left in bag.

Luxor Military (2 Mig21 and 1 Mig15UTI seen, also Mi8/17). Tour Manager said no photos.

Abu Simbel. Pictures taken from Hotel grounds, (Seti) and from Temple area, (no problems).

Aswan. I did not try to take pictures. It was early and too dark. I saw 4 Mig21/U. Also seen was Air Memphis DC9 and Petroleum Aviation Services DHC8(?). It is probably best to exersize caution.

Cairo International. I took some pictures from the aircraft. When I got to the terminal, I was unsure.

Therefore I walked in carrying but not useing the camera, and looked for no photography signs. On finding none and noting that no one took any notice, and that locals were useing their cameras, I concluded that it was OK. It is probably well to try and keep the Military side of the airport out of your pictures.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Hi Flying-B773..
Regarding your question about spotting in Cairo .. Well the Egyptian Authorities do not appreciate the idea of people taking pictures inside the Airport .
However, some people take the risk and manage to take pictures there , so if you want to , be careful and try not to be seen .
If you are inside the plane , then there is no problem at all of you taking pictures of other Aircraft or the taxiing area .
There used to be a huge spotting area in Terminal 1 ( similar to the one in Frankfurt ) but it was closed to the public long time ago .
If you are crazy about spotting , then you can spot along the 2 main runways , they run parallel to 2 main streets and you are only few meters away from the Airplanes . I believe there is no risk involved with taking Aircraft pictures in these 2 main streets ..I used to spot there few years back  Smile .
Enjoy your trip to Egypt  Smile .



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2461 times:
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Hello Flying-B773
Confirming with NYCFlyer
Scheduled Domestic in Egypt is basically MS, Otherwise it would be a charter airlines which Egypt have bunch of them (Lotus Air – Air Cairo – Memphis – AMC)

About Spotting, its not advised to take pictures in Egypt Airports but I saw couple of people couple of years ago taking some pictures on SSH and in HUR and no body stopped them(I guess because both are full of foreigners than Egyptians), recalling what MSYYZ said the best thing is to take pictures from the Plane(Save your Self the pain), Also I confirm with MSYYZ on those 2 streets you can spot 05L/23R from a parallel street you can get a shot of the Terminal 1 easily specially if you going over the Bridge at the end of that street and 05R/23L you can get some nice pictures if you took the road towards Nasr City there is a Gas Station there that you can really take good pictures.
Wish you luck man and have Fun.

Regards
TuT



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

I concur with what the others have been saying. Take your photos from inside the plane. That's what I always do when I fly in and out of Egypt.

I know the authorities can give you a very hard time if they see you taking photos from inside the terminal. Some won't care, while some will. I just didn't feel it was worth the risk.

It's quite a shame because the upper level of the now renovated Terminal 1 has quite a nice view of the tarmac...



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User currently offlineFlying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 2430 times:

Thank you guys so much for your feedback. The question arised because I cant seem to find shots in 'egypt' category so think would think that it is pretty much restricted in there.

Appreciate all your input. Thanxs.. Guess I have no choice but to fly MS domestically.. Anyways, can anybody who flown on their A320/A321/B735/A330 share his/her experience? Coz i am still choosing the best to take..Til then, the B735 is still in the run, but just hope not to. haha

Regards,
North


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7628 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

I flew A320 SU-GCC from Aswan to Cairo on 27th Feb.

The plane was in good condition, (only 2 years old) the FA was friendly and the food was fine.

With a flight time of under an hour on many flights, the scope for problems is limited.

I did try to book an internal and found that seats were very limited 4 weeks ahead. Best to book early.


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Another site where u can spot that i forgot to mention is the Moqattam mount .
It is on the route of the planes approach to 23R . The planes litteraly fly over your head   .

[Edited 2006-03-02 15:25:04]


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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

About 2 years ago I flew on a "regular" charter flight (it flies several times a day, but is technically a charter) roundtrip on Petroleum Air Services (PAS) on a DHC-8 and a lovely Dash-7 between SSH-CAI. They served a nice snack and there were great views of the Sinai Mountains, etc. on the trip.

User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
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Flying-B773

I did fly most of MS Fleet B747 (before they Retire) - A300 - B772 - B735 - A320 - A321 - A340 but I never had a chance to fly the A330 Yet so far I didn't have a problem in any of them except that I would take A320 or A321 or A330 definitely if it was a choice over the B735, like MSYYZ said the service on Board is good, Friendly Crew and a good snake for their short flight (Most of Domestic flights takes about 45 Min.)

Afay1
How did you get a ticket for it? I always wondered about it. Thought it’s only for Petroleum companies. I took a picture of one of them in my way to the Terminal from the Bus, I will try to find it and Post it here.

Regards
TuT



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 13):
like MSYYZ said the service on Board is good, Friendly Crew and a good snake for their short flight (Most of Domestic flights takes about 45 Min.)

Definitely CaptinTuT , on my way from JED to CAI , I flew on a spotless Egypt Air A342 on January 13/2006 . Soon after take off, the very nice FA's served juice (Mango, Guava, apple and pops). Then few minutes later, they served breakfast consisting of :Beef Sausage, Omelette, home fries, tomatoes along with bread, butter, cheese, fruit salad and Tea or Coffee.

Food was just great and filling. After breakfast, another round of Juice and pop.

All this in 1 hour and 40 minute flight, usually all you get here in North America for such a short flight is a small pack of pretzel and a pop,if any.
But you can expect a similar service on domestic flights .

I only had the chance to fly on their B777's and their A340's , never on their short-haul Aircraft . If you fly one of their A330's , they are all brand new with average age less than a year .


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7628 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Economy from ASW to CAI was a drink and a small croissant, but there are clearly limits in 55 mins.

Still the plane was clean/in good order and the FA was friendly.


User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2433 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Hi, any expert might help me...

I just read some egypt-domestic trip-reports on AMC Aviation and Petroleum Air Services (PAS)- does anyone know how and where to book them???

ThanX


User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2185 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 14):
usually all you get here in North America for such a short flight is a small pack of pretzel and a pop,if any

I Fly NW regularly and they only offer a drink, and if you need a snake you have to buy it.
On the other hands I fly HP frequently and also B6 and they both offer a small snake mostly pretzels
Most of my flights are not less than 2 hours some of them even 4 hours when i'm flying east coast but still nothing more.

Debonari
AMC have a fleet of 5 aircrafts 1 A300B - 1 A310 - 1 B732 - 2 MD 83 and 1 MD 88
I have tried to find anything on how to Book a flight on them but i couldn't the only advice would be call the airlines and ask them here is Ph. # (202) 2915818 and best of Luck
about PAS i don't know and i asked Afaya1 about it since he had a chance to fly on them and waitting for his answers


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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

PAS is a subsidiary of EgyptAir. I booked a tour through the Movenpick Hotel in SSH and they simply told me to show up at the airport at a certain time. I did and there were about 3-4 DHC8s and a Dash7 waiting for the several busloads of tourists going to Luxor and Cairo. Boarding cards were handwritten and I assume they just filled the planes up as needed. I paid about $300 for the tour including food and airfare. Probably every other hotel uses the same type of ad-hoc arrangement.

User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Flying-B773 (Reply 9):
Anyways, can anybody who flown on their A320/A321/B735/A330 share his/her experience? Coz i am still choosing the best to take..Til then, the B735 is still in the run, but just hope not to. haha

the 735s are pretty bad. I would stay away from those if possible. They're quite old. Not even marked in MS colors, and very shabby on the inside. These planes (one is called "Karnak", can't remember the other - I think there are just two) do a lot of the CAI-LXR/ASW routes, maybe SSH too, not sure.

The A320s, on the other hand, are very nice and new.


User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2153 times:
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Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 19):
the 735s are pretty bad. I would stay away from those if possible. They're quite old. Not even marked in MS colors, and very shabby on the inside. These planes (one is called "Karnak", can't remember the other - I think there are just two) do a lot of the CAI-LXR/ASW routes

i would Agree with that they are pretty old that's why i wouldn't choose any of them over A320 or A321 , MS have 3 of them
SU-GBL Ramesseum
SU-GBH Karnak
SU-GBJ Philae


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Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 19):
a lot of the CAI-LXR/ASW routes, maybe SSH too, not sure

they don't fly much to SSH they mainly fly to LXR/ASW/ABS

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 19):
The A320s, on the other hand, are very nice and new

Again agree with that



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 19):
The 735s are pretty bad. I would stay away from those if possible. They're quite old.

Egypt Air originally had plans to retire them , but due to to Aircraft shortage , they decided to keep them a little bit longer . They mainly do domestic flights and sometimes fly to the Gulf region and Italy .



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 20):
they don't fly much to SSH they mainly fly to

Add TLV and Sinai too  Smile



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2062 times:
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Quoting MD90fan (Reply 22):
Add TLV

that's true the SU-GBH Karnak fly that route because it doesn't have any signs of MS on it.



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User currently offlineSU184 From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 236 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2045 times:

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 18):
PAS is a subsidiary of EgyptAir.

Actually PAS is not an Egyptair subsidiary, its a Ministry of Petroleum company that was established in 1985 to take over from an airline then called Pyramids Airlines to fly Petroleum engineers from Cairo to the oil fields, PAS currently have a fleet of 5 Dash7's , and 4 Dash8's with a fifth to arrive in August, they were ordred initially to replace the D7's but due to increase in demand and the start of tourist domestic and regional flights, they were kept and new D8's added.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 17):
AMC have a fleet of 5 aircrafts 1 A300B - 1 A310 - 1 B732 - 2 MD 83 and 1 MD 88

AMC sold their A300 to Iran's Mahan Air, the A310 to Sudan Airways last October, they now have the 2 MD83's and one B732, they never operated an MD88, they will take delivary of two new B738's next month.

Several carriers are planning to start domestic operations this year if everything goes acoording to plan, including Sun-air, a new airline is still choosing between Dash8' and ATR's, Air Cairo will probably add 4 ATR's too by mid year.

Talking about spotting, it was a requirement to airlines to mention that photography is not allowed in Egyptian airports but for long time now it is not mentioned. Best place to spot aircrafts landing on 05R is the inner ring road,
05L is normally not used for landing only if 05R is closed,
23L is best from the outer ring road.
23R from Cairo-Ismailia highway and the Sindbad road, which is also useful for
take-off on 05L. 05L is the best runway you can a take off, the others are far, Cairo airport used to have a terrace for visitors but was closed back in 1986 and never opened again, the terrace in terminal 2 was never opened and later used for airport offices.


25 MD90fan : They also had MD-90/ER. Also about the 738, they are coming from Boeing or another airline?
26 SU184 : That's right, they operated five MD90's, the only two ER's built and three standard, they had several engine problems and they had two grounded for m
27 Post contains links and images Horus : Thanks for the vote of confidence. It seems most questions have been answered by SU184, MSYYZ and CaptainTut but I have a few additions. It was Cairo
28 Post contains images Tunisia : While driving up the Red Sea i passed an airport right alongside the desert highway (well north of Hurghada). On the other side of the airport was the
29 Post contains images MSYYZ : Thanks a lot dear Horus . I enjoyed your trip report . What i really liked about it , among other things , is that you made pictures explain everythi
30 Post contains links and images Horus : From the location you've described I'd say it was El Gouna Airport. http://www.elgouna.com/english/ShowText.aspx?ToShow=airport It was probably a Das
31 Flying-B773 : Thank you all for the replies. Certainly hope that when I can take a few pics onboard when I leave CAiro.. a pity that its still dark for my arrival..
32 TS-IOR : Will Koral Blue wet-lease B733s from Karthago ? What will this latter airline do for the high summer season then ?
33 Horus : When are you planning to take your trip? Also remember MS requires you to reconfirm your tickets 72 hours before the flight. And finally if you do en
34 Flying-B773 : Hey Horus, my trip to CAI is actually towards the end of this month..Looking forward to visiting CAI and Luxor though.. Hope that I can catch the MS33
35 TUNisia : Nah, It wasn't El Gouna, because we stayed in El Gouna! :P It was about 45 mins north after leaving Gouna. Oh well .
36 Horus : Were there any nearby resorts/landmarks? I'm acutally really interested to find which airport you spotted. BTW, are you in Egypt yet? Horus
37 Post contains links Debonair : http://www.carsurvey.org/air/review_12341.html
38 Horus : Thanks Debonair. Good to see the 11 out of the 13 reviews of AMC Airline are positive. BTW, have you been to Egypt before? Horus
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