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Plans For Midwest At MCI?  
User currently offlinePhuebner From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Does anybody know what Midwest Airlines is planning at MCI? Are they expanding there? I do know that they have either set up a hub operation or at least a focus city.


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

I think Midwest are just targeting underserved markets out off MCI. They aren't trying to develop a hub, although connecting oppurtunites may be available. Their operations at MCI are best described as a focus city


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

How is that one daily from MCI-PIT doing? I forget how long that route has been in service, besides not that long. October, I think is when it started...


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 2):
How is that one daily from MCI-PIT doing? I forget how long that route has been in service, besides not that long. October, I think is when it started...

I've read on here that it does pretty good for YX, and they even use a 717 on it  Smile

I read on here not too long ago that YX was going to build up at MCI and possibly announce service to AUS and COS



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User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 3780 times:

Does Midwest have any intentions of bringing Skyways into the MCI market to open up new region markets out of their for their Midwest connect network?

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 3765 times:

I imagine it would have been doing well. Midwest used to only have those commuter jets to Milwaukee. I think they decided to add the mainline service because of the amount of people connecting from the PIT-MKE to MCI. MCI was dropped by US when US began to chop away at its hub in PIT.

The added YX service that you mentioned would be sweet. Any added service at any airport is nice...



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User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 3754 times:

PIT would be a great airport for YX if they ever have any intenions of opening up an east coast "Focus" of hub city. Hopefully they will consider this in the future  Smile .

User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 4):
Does Midwest have any intentions of bringing Skyways into the MCI market to open up new region markets out of their for their Midwest connect network?

yes possibly if that forever on going duscussion on the 328 jets that they would get from the old delat connection carrier, this first thing to do though would be to replace the b1900's out of MKE
btw-anyone know how close this deal is to being completed as it has been going on forever now Embarrassment



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 6):
PIT would be a great airport for YX if they ever have any intenions of opening up an east coast "Focus" of hub city. Hopefully they will consider this in the future .

Deeeecent  pray 
If PIT decided to reopen the commuter E concourse, there would be tons of room in the main concourse. That would be the elimination of some 13 US Airways gates and a handful of other gates operated by AA, DL, UA, and NW.

I wish that the E concourse was never shut down. I have actually made a sketch of what I would like for PIT to look like in 10 years. A rebuilt/reopened E concourse and making concourse into an all international concourse. I do realize that these are just lofty possibilities of course.

With that empty space available, or even if MW did show some interest in building up an East Coast hub or focus city, I am sure that the airport authority will do what they can to allow MW to do so... I am sure that O&D between KC would be through the ceiling



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2372 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Midwest is not very big. A hub doesn't look like much compared to bigger airlines. they will adjust MCI as needed to make the best use of their aircraft. I think they have to do something bigger outside MKE to prosper...and MCI appears to be that place.

They have other things to work out as well. The 717's are about ordered and YX must find another aircraft to expand with. And those MD-80's appear to have dispatch reliability problems. At least it is my experience every time I go to TPA. Always late.

They are a nice airline. Signature Service is other-worldly. But, you wonder what their future is in today's world.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
If PIT decided to reopen the commuter E concourse, there would be tons of room in the main concourse.

Don't forget, there are still tons of un/underused gates in the main terminal at PIT. No need to open up the wind tunnel until they use up the real gates, which is a long way from happening. There would be enough room in the main terminal for someone to put a focus city in right now if they so desired, without anyone touching E.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 10):
Don't forget, there are still tons of un/underused gates in the main terminal at PIT. No need to open up the wind tunnel until they use up the real gates, which is a long way from happening. There would be enough room in the main terminal for someone to put a focus city in right now if they so desired, without anyone touching E.

Yeah that is true. Concourses C and D only have 10 gates on each in use right now... and each concourse has or is capable of having 25 gates... A previous statement about MW's next product does stir some interest. The 717 is no longer in production. Suppose they look into the 737NG, would they be inerested in establishing a second hub or focus city then-suppose in PIT?



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 11):
Suppose they look into the 737NG, would they be inerested in establishing a second hub or focus city then-suppose in PIT?

I don't have an answer to that, but YX has stated they enjoy serving Pittsburgh and hope the good response from travelers in PIT continues.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 12):
I don't have an answer to that, but YX has stated they enjoy serving Pittsburgh and hope the good response from travelers in PIT continues.

I don't blame you for having an answer for that. But at least the fact that they enjoy serving PIT is a positive... I know that MW is one of the best airlines in the industry with their young aircraft and inflight service. For that, if I had to make travel plans for Milwaukee or KC, I'd choose MW in a heart beat...



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

MCI is a hub for YX. AL is planned to start operations in and out of there sometime in the future. DOn;t know if it is going to be with the 328Jet or the E140's that should be coming online in the near future.



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

I thought I read about YX starting service from MCI to SEA in the summer months is there any truth to that??
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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 14):
or the E140's that should be coming online in the near future.

The 140's were nixed long ago.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4550 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

MCI is a great location. The airport has character. I just don't know how well this 3 or 4 gates per security checkpoint thing will work in a hub environment. Isn't there any way to correct that problem?


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User currently offlinePhuebner From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 17):
I just don't know how well this 3 or 4 gates per security checkpoint thing will work in a hub environment. Isn't there any way to correct that problem?

Southwest Airlines has a pretty good setup there. I would be certain that if any airline comes in there for a hub that modifications can be made to satisfy them.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 11):
Yeah that is true. Concourses C and D only have 10 gates on each in use right now...

Concourse D is at it's max. Other than few one or two unused gates during the day on the end by AA you couldn't run too many more flights from there. After 2100 when all the termers are coming in there isn't room for even a 1900. C on the other hand could be used a bit better. But the only gates that are seldom used there are the international gates and the old DH gate. There is lots of room on B but a lot of those gates are used daily by all of the airlines for storage and overflow. A concourses is being utilized to all most capacity, other than between banks.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 19):

C is way under used. I think MW operates a gate or two on that concourse (FlyI used to before they folded) FL, UA, and USA3k have a few gates on there as well. I think USA3k is the only airline in the old international rotunda at the end...
On B, US anounced that they would reopen the 11 or so gates that they shut down. B has all mainline US service. Concourse A has the two WN gates, gates 2, 4, 6-12 are US mainline and gates 13-25 are US express.
I didn't realize that D is used to capacity. According to a link about PIT, the ends of concourses C and D were left open for possible expansion. I am not sure if and when that is supposed to happen. Maybe if someone stimulated some interest in establishing a hub there,  crossfingers , but I doubt that will happen in the near future... I think this about the third or so time I stated this. If it is, I apologise for the repetition...



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 20):
According to a link about PIT, the ends of concourses C and D were left open for possible expansion. I am not sure if and when that is supposed to happen. Maybe if someone stimulated some interest in establishing a hub there, crossfingers ,

Well, they'll send all of US's props, and maybe even stair-entered CRJ's back down to E before they'd ever start an unneccessary new construction project for C/D. Use what you've got first... considering it's not even paid for yet.


User currently offlinePhuebner From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Ummm....how is this dealing with MCI and Midwest Airlines?


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3205 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 17):
Isn't there any way to correct that problem?

Gut the interior of half a terminal/concourse/pier (whatever they call them there) and start over. It'll be costly, but a drastic remodelling to remedy that whole security issue is what it would take to make that place a real connecting hub.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3176 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 21):
Use what you've got first... considering it's not even paid for yet.

That's true, Pittsburgh practically put itself in a financial hole building that airport... We taxpayers are still paying for that thing. It's a nice facility, no less...

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 23):
Gut the interior of half a terminal/concourse/pier (whatever they call them there) and start over. It'll be costly, but a drastic remodelling to remedy that whole security issue is what it would take to make that place a real connecting hub.

YX and MW seem to be expanding or wanting to expand at MCI... USAir had already made PIT into its super hub by the time they, Pittsburgh, and Allegheny County chose to build a new airport for better mainline and connection service. That's a good suggestion; MCI really should do the remodelling. Better connection and much less of a pain in the ass... It would cost a good chunk of cash, but not nearly as much as to construct a whole new airport from the ground up. Just curious, how old is MCI anyway?



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25 Phuebner : Sometimes I think about that, I mean dang! They have alot of room to expand the airport to make it able to handle more traffic. I love the airport an
26 Tornado82 : Another idea would be to build an "Landside terminal" which could be a pretty small building containing only ticket counters, baggage claims, and sec
27 Phuebner : I know what you're saying. That would be tough, though. MCI, within years ago, built up their parking garages within each terminal area. It's a prett
28 MUWarriors : Take this for what its worth (not a whole lot) but a few years ago Carol Skorinica (sp?) came to a class I was in at Marquette and said the long term
29 L1329II : MCI was dedicated in 1972. As much as I would love to talk the airport up I really dont know how well it would serve as a hub. For O&D traffic the air
30 Steeler83 : So, the terminal is over 30 years old, and it looks as though connection between terminals is somewhat on the poor side... Is there any public transi
31 Indy : I've only been to MCI once. Went on a day trip. Its a cool looking airport. It is the strangest one I've ever been to. I exit the plane and notice thi
32 Tornado82 : Midwest will never be big enough to warrant that kind of massive capital expenditure. You're talking billions to build a new airport. Sadly, that see
33 Post contains links MCIFlyer : Yes, MCI is over 30 years old, but just completed a multi-million dollar renovation (see http://www.flykci.com/ for more information). Granted, the s
34 Phuebner : They are convieniently set up close together. I would imagine that Terminal D would be built if an airline needed the space. MCI is a great airport.
35 TVNWZ : I travel to MCI periodically. I find in quaint. It's sort of a little brother design to DFW. Maybe too little sometimes. Pro: Extremely short walk fro
36 IADCRJ : Actually YX sub leases a gate from Delta to operate their flights. They even have subcontracted to DL to manage their PIT operations. YX up until abo
37 Steeler83 : OKay, so MCI will never be a mega hub, but according to the latter post here, there appears to be room for some expansion, maybe into a focus city or
38 Post contains images JBo : As someone already said...the ERJ-140s have officially been canceled. It was stated in the clear during some YX conference calls recently. Current go
39 Post contains images WesternA318 : Any idea if YX will/might start service to SLC in this lifetime? When was the last time you've heard an airline say that??    Maybe they could buil
40 Nitrohelper : How about if Northwurst suddenly gets "wfu" and ,, Midwest takes all the DC-9s to become the "SouthWest of the NorthWest" ,,,well maybe not! ,,,, Two
41 Steeler83 : Does this answer your question?
42 Post contains images CentPIT : The representative from YX visited PIT during their last expansion of service and in the interview with WPXI-TV Pittsburgh (Channel 11 News) he state
43 WesternA318 : I was meaning before the MidWest announcement, lol. Sorry i didnt clarify.
44 Staggerwing : I had a chat with the director of the Kansas City Aviation Department last year after seeing on the website that they were in the design phase for Ter
45 Steeler83 : If they do go ahead with the construction of concourse D, and if YX was to be the airline to establish a hub at MCI after D is completed (which looks
46 Phuebner : If YX establishes their main hub their and supposing that they utilize a whole terminal building...such as the new D, then they will have about 30 gat
47 Post contains images Steeler83 : Wow, 30 gates? that would make for a fairly decent-sized hub at MCI. How many daily departures would that support, a couple hundred I would imagine..
48 TVNWZ : While they will continue to add flights to MCI they do not have the planes to fill up 30, 20 or I would say 10 gates in the forseeable future. I do n
49 WesternA318 : Did he leave Frontier? You mean from their last joke of a CEO, Jeff Potter, right?
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