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First Virgin America A/c On The Way...  
User currently offlineVsmike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 18418 times:

Airbus A320-214 c/n 2616
N621VA, ex F-WWDJ
Virgin America
Delivery date: 24feb06
Delivery flight: TLS-KEF-YYR-MEM-GLH (Greenville, Mississippi, USA)


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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 18404 times:

I suppose it's going to Greenville for painting?
As the last time I saw that aircraft it was still in green primer and already flying....


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 18287 times:
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First: Thanks for the update.

What is the scheduled entry into service? How is VirgA's certificate going?

Interesting that they have their first aircraft on the way.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18159 times:

Mazel Tov. Now all we need are some places for it to fly between.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18159 times:

First thing would be an operating certificate in order to actual offer flights for sale, prior to any cities.


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17751 times:

Can't wait to see the finished paint Big grin

I wish the airline luck, in the current climate they will need it.


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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17747 times:
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Why does SRB think he's gonna have success entering a shattered US domestic market? Is he gonna pay people to fill his a/c?  confused 

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17747 times:

Now am I to believe that the very first Virgin America aircraft got into the paintshop, got painted, left the paint shop, went out on the runway, and was able to get airborne without a single picture being plastered all over the place? WOW! That's pretty sad!


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User currently offlineCleared2Land4 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17692 times:

What does the livery look like???


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User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17626 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):
Now am I to believe that the very first Virgin America aircraft got into the paintshop, got painted, left the paint shop, went out on the runway, and was able to get airborne without a single picture being plastered all over the place? WOW! That's pretty sad!

Actually, I think it went to GLH for painting! I doubt it has been painted yet!


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User currently offlineCleared2Land4 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17607 times:

Is Virgin America gonna have any other equipment other than the A320?


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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17566 times:

Quoting Cleared2Land4 (Reply 10):
Is Virgin America gonna have any other equipment other than the A320?

Nope. An all Airbus A320 fleet is really likely.


User currently offlineJmr0991 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17409 times:

Yeah......are there any pics out there of what the plane is gonna look like???? curious to see!!


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User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17369 times:

too bad they don't have an operating certificate nor cities........

User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17369 times:

the picture above at least shows part of it will look like...

User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16847 times:

If you ask me, and I realize no one has, the Virgin family of airlines need more distinct designs for their aircraft... I can pretty much tell you what teh Virgin America paintjob will look like by looking at Virgin Blue, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Nigeria, etc...

Sure, keep the Virgin tail design, but change the damn fuselage designs and colors around a bit more!



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User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16260 times:

Does anyone know why it takes such a long path. Surely an empty A320 can make the trip from TlS to YYR since it its only 400 miles longer than what B6 flies from JFK


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User currently offlineDc10heaven From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16007 times:

How long does it take to paint? I live about 2 1/2 hours from Greenville & could possibly try to get down there.

User currently offlineJseesue From France, joined Jan 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15782 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
Why does SRB think he's gonna have success entering a shattered US domestic market? Is he gonna pay people to fill his a/c?

Remember that Richard Branson is more of a showman than a businessman.

To put this in perspective, this is the man who would have kept the Concords flying if not for an air worthiness ban by those silly, safety-driven civil aviation authorities.

He is also one of the few people, aside from Noel Forgeard and John Leahy, that clings to the shattered last vestiges of Airbus' embarrassing "4 engines 4 long haul" marketing campaign.


User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15338 times:

Where is it going after it gets painted?

User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15318 times:

I am very interested to see what the scheme looks like. I wonder if it will look just like the regular british virgin scheme, jus with america after it, like virgin nigeria, or if it will be a newly updated design. I think for marketing sake it may make sense to update the old design while still keeping the recognizeable images of the traditional logo. I don't know that I'm a big fan of Mr. Branson, but there is no doubt he's a good business man. Best of luck.
P.S. Is VA supposed to be an LCC or a legacy. If its not gonna be an LCC, he's gonna need all the luck he can get



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User currently offlineSfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15209 times:

Is this normal or abnormal, to take delivery of a new acft unpainted, and fly it to a vendor to have it painted? It's new to me. Also, I read in the paper a week or so ago that there were problems with VA because of the partial foreign ownership..........have they taken the right people to dinner yet?


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User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14822 times:

Quoting MNeo (Reply 16):
Does anyone know why it takes such a long path. Surely an empty A320 can make the trip from TlS to YYR since it its only 400 miles longer than what B6 flies from JFK

More than likely VA did not get HF radio installed since they are going to be a domestic carrier. Inorder to fly the southern tracks over the North Atlantic you need to be ETOPS and have HF radio. The ETOPS thing aside, there are tracks that could be flown if you are non-ETOPS but they still require HF radio as you are outside of VHF range. Without the HF you are restricted to airways that take you across Greenland. I once flew an A320 across the pond going eastbound and made it no problem from Canada all the way to Toulouse. Going westbound on this route would really be pushing it. Additionally, new fleet, pilots flying it who may not have flown in a while, make plenty of stops along the way for training purposes.

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User currently offlineAtomother From United States of America, joined May 1999, 440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14735 times:

Rumor has it their captains will max out at $80K/year... How sad is that?

Hopefully they get no resumes and are forced to pay fair wages.


User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14701 times:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1000489/L/

"F-WWDJ (cn 2616) Was previously for Virgin America."

I'm confused...



A319 A320 B717 B727 B737 B747 B757 B767 C152 C172 DC9 E145 E190 MD88 PA28 | B6 CO DL FL NK NW LO TW
25 Post contains images AirbusA346 : I'm a bit confused too. It is the same aircraft with different engine covers, white not red. Information Photo ID:1000489 Reg:F-WWDJ MSN:2616 Photo I
26 Post contains images Solnabo : ..."Airbus embarrassing 4 engines 4 long haul".... VS fly 744s and I dont see any problemos with the 346, do you? I hope it will be a sucess for SRB
27 Post contains images Truvirginflyr : I can not wait to see the Virgin America Theme! I have nothing but good feelings for this Airline!
28 Thorben : But he is pretty successful as a businessman, considering that he is more a showman. Anyway, does the aircraft really NOT get painted at TLS or XFW?
29 ETFokker50 : Maybe they decided to change the color scheme as they went along... Now my main question: Isn't this an amazing waste of money to let a few $$$ milli
30 Mikester540 : No, when they start service to the airports they have pretty painted planes to go along with the whole PR package... and of course smiling SRB!
31 Sunking737 : They will not have any trouble finding pilots. Why? Because NW pilots just voted to strike if the Bank Judge pulls the plug on the contract. NW will s
32 GSPSPOT : When in the H*ll are they going to announce destinations???
33 Tjwgrr : Here she is: --------------------- Aircraft ID N621VA Aircraft Type AIRBUS A320-214 Owner/Operator JET-1 2616 OWNER TRUST C/O WILMINGTON TRUST CO RODN
34 Post contains images UAL777UK : Well i assume they will not fly into LAS otherwise all the FA's will be screaming when they hit turbulance!
35 Ozvirginuk : How many showman do you know that are billionaires???? He is one of the world's most famous businessmen, and a pretty nice bloke aswell. I thought th
36 Post contains images CO767FA : Unlike you I suppose? Mr. Calm, Cool and Collected........
37 SSTsomeday : I understood it was an air-worthiness directive or upgrade obligation from the manufacturer that would have cost the airlines (as I recall) $200 mill
38 SSTsomeday : He makes a profit, though.
39 Nighthawk : Because if they painted it in TLS the design would be leaked on the net as the aircraft flew to america. This way they can paint it up, then have an
40 PassBureauMgr : I work at the same airport that Virgin America will be headquartered at. I have become friends with a former fellow ANetter who recently got a job in
41 MalpensaSFO : He got banned for talking about a airline, yet others on a ongoing basis open threads about how wonderful other airlines are, over and over again...
42 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Its a shame he can no longer post......I liked getting info about Virgin America from him... is the office in Burlingame?
43 Cloud4000 : I know the days of paying pilots $250K a year are over, but I expect something north of $100K. I know WN, the most efficient airline out there, pays
44 N766UA : I still find it funny that Virgin subsidiaries all over the world fly all 737 fleets, yet as soon as they come to the United States they fly an Airbus
45 PassBureauMgr : I fully agree, and wonder if he had a diatribe of Commericals for B6 would he have been banned. I guess someone in the anals of monitors feels threat
46 Afay1 : The guy that got banned must have been really laying it on thick to get banned. Singapore_Air notwithstanding, many people do a whole lot of overt adv
47 Post contains images Onetogo :
48 N328KF : Go take Marketing 101. This is called "branding."
49 Steeler83 : It will be interesting to see what this will look like... A stars and stripes livery with the Virgin tail logo... When I saw stars and stripes, I tho
50 Timboflier215 : haha! indeed. the virgin brand is one of the strongest and most recognisable out there. much easier for the subsidiary airlines to use that brand fro
51 DAYflyer : Although I agree with you, there are too many unemployed/laid-off workers on US soil for that to happen...which is precisely why they are doing it th
52 Cloud4000 : There was talk a few years ago about a pilot shortage as many pilots are retiring. I presume there's a glut now?
53 A319XFW : Nope, add some A319's, too. Still a Virgin America aircraft from what I know.
54 Post contains links PurpleBox : Simple - Airbus recycle the test registrations... http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=F-WWDJ&distinct_entry=true As you can see F-
55 Avion346 : Evidently they plan on sending it from SFO to LAX/JFK..........they are hiring station managers at these locations.
56 Steeler83 : Any chance of them getting any wide body airbus for high O&D routes, like an A330 from JFK-ORD or SFO, or would they consider the A321 for this...
57 AMSSFO : But not with the same c/n, that's the confusing part in this case, although I guess that the photographer has it wrong.
58 Aerofan : Malpensa, Passbureau, You've noticed that too, have you. Expect to be censured any minute now for pointing out something that is blatantly obvious. I
59 Post contains images Antoniemey : And wonderful job of selective quopting. Did you read the 2nd half of my post? To re-iterate, I said that I have no problem with them keeping the sam
60 BCAL : Branson's claim to keep Concorde flying was nothing more than a publicity stunt, leading people to believe that Sir Richard The Saviour would come to
61 Post contains images UAL777UK : I will be flying in to LAS on the 12th, LHR-LAX-LAS on UA.......I will try and stay ccc!
62 Post contains links JAXFLL : What's your source for this rumor? If it was true, don't you think the ALPA would be having a fit and trying to unionize people when they went in for
63 Post contains images Piercey : An average for a pilot working at a non express/regional airline is a 6-digit figure
64 WJ : Right, because the first thing a new start-up airline wants are pilots that have just walked out on their company...
65 PurpleBox : The c/n is different - thats the point. Each photo shows a different aircraft. PurpleBox.
66 Goaliemn : I was waiting for someone to point that out.. Would you want to hire someone who just left their former employer in a bit of a huff?
67 Adh214 : Are you kidding me? $80K is a very good wage for any worker. Particularly a non supervisory worker. Perhaps they are going to flatten the pay scales
68 ERJ170 : Just my opinion and hoping not to get slammed, but.... These are not real-world salaries. If one was to get a job OUTSIDE of the aviation field, do yo
69 Sfomb67 : I'm sure any exNW pilot applying for the job will know enough not to say that they voted to go on strike at NW. You won't be able to find anyone that
70 Aerofan : aren't we all forgetting that part of a determinant of salary makeup is the responsibility factor. thus a captain would have quite a bit more responsi
71 WesternA318 : I thought it was a kinda cute campaign, and I was on one ofthe first A346 flights out of JFK! Nice a/c though, reminds me of DL and UA's stretch DC-8
72 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : JetBlue and Singapore Airlines seem to be the accepted exception...
73 SeaTran : I'm not one who is given to hyperbole. That being said, let me say this: the above quote has to be one of the most inane and ignorant things I have r
74 Lightsaber : First, The Virgin America A.netter that was banned... shouldn't have been. Its not as if his topics were ever misleading! I added him to my RU list fo
75 Sfomb67 : I don't think most most San "Farnciscans" give a rat's a__ about Virgin America; in fact I'll bet 99% never heard of it. I really think this thing is
76 PassBureauMgr : His user name is SunVAlley, and I went over to his office last night over at the Virgin America offices in Burlingame. We discussed his being banned,
77 Timboflier215 : expect that to change if/when virgin america launch services. one would hope there would be PLENTY of advertising! however, i do agree, the secrecy t
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