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Northwest Pilots Authorize Strike  
User currently onlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3103 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10396 times:

Courtesy: Associated Press

Northwest Pilots Authorize Strike

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060228/northwest_pilots.html?.v=6
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Courtesy: Minneapolis Star Tribune

Deep Cuts Could Kill Mesaba, Unions Say

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/274638.html
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Courtesy: Detroit Free Press

Mesaba's Attendants Back Strikes

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...BUSINESS05/602280346/1018/BUSINESS

[Edited 2006-03-01 01:46:47]

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Now that this is authorised, they have to realise that if they go to strike, they will either lose their jobs, or they, along with management probably, will be greately responsible for NW and their chapter 7 filing. Management doing a sloppy job is one thing, but the pilots going to strike to further hurt the company they work for is also wrong.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12135 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

I guess they haven't learned anything from the (former) NW mechanics strike, last year?

Pilots, in the US are now a dime a dozen. There are lots of fully qualified pilots out there looking for cockpit jobs.

Of course, the NW Pilots union will pull out all the stops, like the mechanics did, saying they are not qualified, safety is in jeprody, etc., etc., etc.

Like the mechanics, they will never mention their replacement pilots will also hold an FAA Pilots License, including type certification. Yes, the replacement mechanics had FAA A&P licenses, but those who walked out on their jobs never mentioned that.......


User currently offlineJoelfreak From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10315 times:

And at what point do you allow people to say enough is enough, and we wont take it any more? If you keep going by your line of thought, they should be happy just to get paid $1 a year...never strike.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Of course, the NW Pilots union will pull out all the stops, like the mechanics did, saying they are not qualified, safety is in jeprody, etc., etc., etc.

Or they will make the lives of those replacements a living hell, like what happened when the mechanics striked. I recall that many of them were harrassed for a while, and it was pretty nasty from what I remember.


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10275 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Pilots, in the US are now a dime a dozen. There are lots of fully qualified pilots out there looking for cockpit jobs.

 no  You cannot just take a pilot and drop them into the cockpit....There is a lot of training that is mandated.

Quoting Joelfreak (Reply 3):
And at what point do you allow people to say enough is enough, and we wont take it any more? If you keep going by your line of thought, they should be happy just to get paid $1 a year...never strike.

Hey didn't you know that we should be grateful that they allow us to work on their planes........

GS

Aviation soon to be staffed by all volunteer labour...



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

If they actually did strike, something would end very quickly: either the strike itself or the airline. There hasn't been a lot of chatter about NW lining up replacement pilots in the manner they had the mechanics ready to go, and I believe there are a few more legal hurdles involved in getting new pilots to be able to drive around pax carrying birds than there are with getting new mech's to maintain them. So if they strike, either the airline will have to give in before flight ops cease or they simply won't be able to continue on.

Have we ever had an airline weather an actual ceasing of flight ops due to a strike while under bankruptcy protection? I tend to think the traveling public and, more importantly, the creditors wouldn't take too kindly to that double whammy.


User currently offlineHoosierCFI From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 5):
You cannot just take a pilot and drop them into the cockpit....There is a lot of training that is mandated.

My thoughts exactly. You need at least a month to go through training. Most programs are 8-12 weeks.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

My hunch:

Day 1:

Strike

Day 2:

Judge allows them to jettison all non-airbus aircraft

Day 3:

Judge allows them to jettison all union contracts

Day 4:

Airbus pilots that want a job and thought the company was bluffing start to go back to work, all others out in the cold (ALPA in a way plays both sides of the fence in this between mainline and regional).

Recovery would take time, but could shake out by summer. If not, then liquidation.


User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10224 times:

Training a replacement pilot is at minimum a 6 week process. And thats if they can find anyone willing to take the job. I'd be willing to bet NW would find it almost impossible to put more than 10 or 15 airplanes into anything resembling scheduled service.

As far as how smart is it to destroy your company with a strike. At some point, you have to stand up for yourself and your profession and tell management you will work for no less than X amount. A strike is self defense, its not destroying the company because you are mad at them.


User currently offlineBen330NWA From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 36 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Pilots, in the US are now a dime a dozen. There are lots of fully qualified pilots out there looking for cockpit jobs.

Of course, the NW Pilots union will pull out all the stops, like the mechanics did, saying they are not qualified, safety is in jeprody, etc., etc., etc.

While I am only part of the FA workforce, I believe that it's much harder for thousands of pilots to get certified with NWA so quickly. While mechanics and FAs can be replaced quite easily, I don't believe the pilots can be replaced all at once. There's much more training involved with a pilot and getting them rated for certain A/C and employed at a certain airline. I believe that ALPA holds the upper hand in this one. No qualified pilots to fly, means no airplane in the sky.

I believe that employees at my airline have given all they can. Many of you have stated, "well you can just pack up and leave." It's not that easy. I only had 6 years in (on furlough status) but it certainly wasn't easy having my life disrupted. Now think of someone who has 30 + years invested in the company. Many of them cannot retire as now they cannot afford to. While you can point fingers and say "your gonna ruin the airline, or your only hurting it more" you have to understand, like a wild animal protecting it's young, the employees are merely doing what they need to do to survive.


User currently offlineAndessmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Lets not misrepresent certain facts, there are some jobs that may be considered to be overpaid. I will refrain from commenting about fairness of paycuts w/o knowing how much they were paid before. I believe either GM of Ford had people mowing their lawn that were paid $70000 per year!!

If somebody can get the NW pilot pay scale it would be greatly appreciated. That way we can really compare and decide what to think.

My only hope is that this does not become another Eastern Airlines.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10126 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 5):
Recovery would take time, but could shake out by summer. If not, then liquidation.

Without the Narita equipment/traffic the airline is a lame duck!


User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10126 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Like the mechanics, they will never mention their replacement pilots will also hold an FAA Pilots License, including type certification. Yes, the replacement mechanics had FAA A&P licenses, but those who walked out on their jobs never mentioned that.......

NW spent 18 months teaching mechanics to do a job that was being criticized all winter. How do you expect NW to teach 5,000 people how to fly the Dinosaurs, the Scarebii, the 757, and the widebodies that only a few other airlines use, in less than the month it'll take them to lose every last cent?



'Cause you're on ATA again, and on ATA, you're on vacation!
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 8):
My hunch:

Day 1:

Strike

Day 2:

Judge allows them to jettison all non-airbus aircraft

Day 3:

Judge allows them to jettison all union contracts

Judge would have to issue a ruling which imposes a new contract first. Then the union can respond with a strike, which will probably generate a further ruling on legality of such strike. If it happens, I suspect an injunction ordering everyone back to work, awaiting the ruling from the US Supreme Court.


User currently offlineE7plnr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 103 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

Why do people on this post continue to boast about replacement pilots......
NOT GOING TOO HAPPEN!!!!!!!

Northwest has stated that they don't have a plan to replace striking pilots. A strike authorization vote is just what the pilots must do to prove there solidarity.

The pilots and flight attendants will come to a resolution soon. Then NWA will be able to work on their other issues to push the company out of bankruptcy.

e7plnr


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10015 times:

I say they cut their losses and walk off the job. Look at what the company is imposing...F/A's at 12K a year...Avro Captains taking 66% pay cuts...enough IS enough. Its not worth it to stay!


"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10015 times:

Quoting E7plnr (Reply 15):
Why do people on this post continue to boast about replacement pilots......
NOT GOING TOO HAPPEN!!!!!!!

2 reasons.... mostly because people think replacing a pilot from one aircraft to another is as simple as replacing a mechanic. They know nothing about training, training times, or type ratings. The other reason is that a lot of the armchair CEO's don't bother to read and learn from other posts, and only want to show their knowledge....


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

I read an article in one of the industry rags a couple of months ago that the demand for pilots is actually up a little...thanks in no small part to booming aviation markets in Europe and India.

Pilots are not a dime a dozen like they were say 3-4 years ago. They might be able to realize a 25% immediate replacement if a strike does occur, this number only increases as time goes by, but will it be fast enough? That is the question.

Bottom line is this, NW needs to figure out a way to first pay its pilots, then take care of its stockholders, in that order....with only one stream of revenue, and pilots being a big part of that, no pilots, no profits...so if that means NW needs to cut itself in half, or a quarter, or whatever, thats what needs to be done, cause it is painfully obvious that a NW as is, or as it was, will never be.
Some people, OK, a lot of people are going to lose their livelihoods, but I tend to think that's better than everyone going down.
What NW also needs is a leader, someone not afraid to communicate the hard issues with compassion, with credibility, and not spewing this crap that we need to pay our execs top dollar while front line employees are living on foodstamps and government assistance. Time to get creative, think outside the realm of conventional wisdom, quit chasing market share and strive for profitability for a change, maybe take a chance on fresh talent, tie compensation to performance...try something, anything, but know this important fact, more of the same, brings more of the same.

All in all, management has let the employees down, and that is the sad truth to this whole mess. No one wants to see it come to this, but what else have they got to lose? Hate to say it, even though this statement effects tens of thousands of people, it's best that NW go away. Liquidate. NW has some pretty good assetts, while not easily converted into cash, they have markets, markets that will need to be served by somebody, and that somebody will need employees to serve that market. Get the drift?
Don't despair, they will find jobs...maybe not all back in the industry, but jobs all the same, and isn't this what this is all about anyway? Making a living?

Some will find it time to re-evaluate their career path, suck it up, no one is guaranteed a thing, most people have 3 careers in their lives, why should airline employees be exempt, especially at a time when the whole industry, outside of a few carriers, is in such a state of disarray?

I know many of you will think this is the most heartless tripe you've ever heard. Fine. But just so you know, I've been downsized 3 times in my life, changed career paths twice. You know what, the first month is absolute hell, especially with 3 kids to feed and keep warm, but we all lived. And so will every NW employee.
Peace everyone.



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 16):
I say they cut their losses and walk off the job. Look at what the company is imposing...F/A's at 12K a year...Avro Captains taking 66% pay cuts...enough IS enough. Its not worth it to stay!

sounds like you are confusing the Mesaba crews with NWA.... Avros are at Mesaba.


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9977 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 17):
They know nothing about training, training times, or type ratings.

Plus SIM training, check rides, company procedures training, A/C differences training (1 A320 is not the same as whant they may have been flying elsewhere)


Oh and then if a person is going to be a captain he has to fly with a company captain on few check rides......Yeah they can just drop replacements into the cockpit tomorrow.


Unlike a maintenance endorsement which is good everywhere that training has to take place whether the pilot is type rated on the aircraft or not.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineAirWest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

This doesn't really come as a surprise, and with a 92% vote in favor. I might be slightly angry and strike too if my employer said-

Well, we'll just cut your pay by 40%, and, while we're at it, we just might try to cut it even more, so we can pay you whatever we want. We would list the other "wonderful" things we've done for our employees, but that would take up too much space.

Sorry for the inconvience,
NWA Management


User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

I'd say Mesaba has a better chance of going in the toilet than NW right now.

User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

The Pilots will not strike.. an agreement will be reached at the last minute.... that is according to the crystal ball...

User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 16):
I say they cut their losses and walk off the job. Look at what the company is imposing...F/A's at 12K a year...Avro Captains taking 66% pay cuts...enough IS enough. Its not worth it to stay!

What people need to realize is that NW is simply trying to get their payscale in line with their competitors. The DC-9 replacement aircraft pilot-pay is aparently being set around the same rate as the JetBlue E-190 pilots. The larger aircraft payrates are attempting to be negotiated around the same rate as what UA and US (the lowest in the industry) were imposed with during their bankruptcies.

You can call for a "lets take a stand right now", but if you really believed it, you would call for it in the vast majority of the aviation industry. Now that Newco and foriegn flight attendent outsourcing is off the table, NW management isn't really asking for anything more than what US, UA, Jetblue, etc have right now.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
25 Dtwclipper : Yes, Continental. Lorenzo put CO into Ch.11, fired all of the employees and brought them back at lower wages. This was a long time ago, and the laws
26 Indy : Its debatable as to whether an injunction if issued would carry any weight since nobody in the U.S. can be forced to work. An injunction may be issue
27 Post contains images MKEdude : If the NW pilots decide to strike I would expect the president to order a 60-day cooling off period just like what happened with AA a few years back.
28 GSPSPOT : Well, let's just see "management" put their $$ where their mouths are, and pony up 40-60% of THEIR salaries as a show of solidarity!!
29 UAL777UK : nope, that wont happen, this President is from Texas, who couldn't give a s@#t about NW. If it was AA, that would be a different matter.
30 Goaliemn : The unions won't buy that. That's what happened with AMFA. They didn't want any jobs eliminated, so they eliminated them all. Everyone keeps saying t
31 Ben330NWA : Yeah but unlike contract employees who have taken cuts, management and the board of directors continue to receive cash bonuses.
32 MalpensaSFO : When is the last minute? Wasnt it to be today at 10am, here in New York?
33 Jumpseat70 : All I can say is, If NWA pilots strike, it may keep DAL Pilots from striking, which in my world is a good thing. Having endured lots of strikes in my
34 Post contains links and images MalpensaSFO : Instead of Steenland trying for Newco.. Sense would tell him to go back to the routes of the income - NORTHWEST ORIENT! View Large View MediumPhoto &
35 Thegooddoctor : I agree with the crystal ball reports: I see lawmakers from Lansing and St. Paul raising objections to a NW strike, leading to a presidential interven
36 MalpensaSFO : Wasnt there a statement not to long ago that the President would not stop a strike if it were to happen?
37 Redneckslim : As a 4 million miler on NWA, and a 40 year client as well, I'd be very happy to see this mismanaged and now pretty much useless airline just fold alto
38 MalpensaSFO : Ouch, but I do feel your pain!
39 Hodges : NWA is my only way of flying directly from my hometown of Ithaca, NY (ITH) to the the university I will be attending starting this summer, the Univers
40 ChiGB1973 : I am really doubtful of presidential intervention. The same time the MN (NW) guys want the president the intervene, the TX (AA) guys are doing the op
41 SeeTheWorld : This is pretty much the gist of it, and the rank-and-file know it. The vote was symbolic for the vast majority of the pilots, whether they themselves
42 SeeTheWorld : As a future professional pilot, you need to hope that the U.S. airline industry can become financially viable or there won't be any jobs for you. Loo
43 GSPSPOT : Perhaps the international crews are different from the domestic ones.... I flew to/from LGA domestically last weekend, and the service was all I could
44 Post contains links AA777 : http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...es/legacy/northwest-2005022411.htm This shows that a 12-year captain flying the 744 at NWA makes $177/hr. 12-ye
45 TinPusher007 : You are absolutely right and I stand corrected.
46 David31998 : There are many divergent views about the future of Northwest. Considering their financial situation and the threat of a strike, what is the probabilit
47 Post contains images Ptharris : It's funny between DL and NW, seems (and this is only from my perspective) NW seems to be the ones that bitch the most. Man, I hope they can hash this
48 Post contains images Sinlock : I'm glad some people here realize that pilots don't grow on trees, let alone qualified ones. 747-400. Maybe some ex-UAL Capts/FOs . But I doubt that t
49 Post contains images Nitrohelper : So if the pay is the same, then what is NWA 's bitch with the pile-its (sorry) Union ? Must be the Union work rules,,,health care,,,100 seaters,,, 401
50 Indy : This hotel bill was obviously an "account". It wasn't like they paid $1mil for a night. So when NW files bankruptcy they have to list payments made o
51 SeeTheWorld : BASE HOURLY RATES ARE ONLY PART OF THE STORY!!!!! Without the actual work rules, productivity rates, etc., your figures are incomplete, and therefore
52 SeeTheWorld : That is about the most sexist thing I've read on this site in a long time. Next time you make your point, do it without gross, sexist generalizations
53 Indio66 : Strike equals : CO shuttle flights DTW to CLE; AA and UA shuttle flights from DTW and MSP to ORD; DAL shuttle flights Memphis to CVG and ATL . . . and
54 MalpensaSFO : There is zero need for a shuttle in the DTW-CLE, DTW-ORD, MSP-ORD, CVG-MEM, and ATL-MEM markets. Those markets are nothing compared with the true shu
55 Indio66 : The idea is that other airlines would pick up NWA's passengers pretty quickly by routing them through their hubs.
56 MalpensaSFO : That is possible, yet one has to remember that Detroit. Minneapolis, and Memphis rely just St. Louis did on heavy connecting traffic. If NWA is taken
57 GSPSPOT : Rather than, (or at least, in addition to) just cut-cut-cut, which I know is necessary to some degree, shouldn't a company in NW's (or DL's) situation
58 Indy : Thats a significant number of passengers to absorb especially if you have load factors of 85%.
59 MalpensaSFO : That 85% is not O/D..
60 Indy : It doesn't matter of its O/D or not. That means you only have 15% of the seats free and you are trying to absorb the passenger load of a top 5 carrie
61 Goaliemn : Have you considered a different degree? Airlines won't be rebounding for a number of years, and if NW does go under, you'll be competing with all tho
62 Indio66 : All you have to do is raise prices to get demand in place with supply until you can pull planes out of the desert and hire laid off crew. Everyone wi
63 ORDagent : Amen to that one! I hope NWA doesn't implode but I don't see how it can't! So who will snap up that NRT hub? AA or CO would be my guess but with what
64 UAL777 : It's not that easy. The vast majority of pilots will not scab at an airline because it will turn their career into a living hell. NW pilots are the m
65 Etops1 : well are they done on a ruling yet? this probrably will get extended again.
66 MalpensaSFO : The same place they put all of the Braniff, Eastern, National(II), Midway, New York Air, Tower Air, Indy Air, TWA, and Pan Am passengers..... On othe
67 JAXFLL : The same way I say enough is enough with my company. Go find a new job. If pilots aren't "a dime a dozen" then it shouldn't be hard for them to move
68 Yellowtail : Why don't we all just sit back and enjoy this game of chicken between Management and the Pilots.....should be a good one. Other than that maybe a NWA
69 MKEdude : This has nothing to do with geography, the AA intervention (cool pun) took place on Clinton's watch. The President has the authority to halt a strike
70 Indy : But is it not the case that when the president orders a 60 day halt to the strike that the workers return to work under the old terms of the contract
71 Post contains images Piercey : Where do we go? signed, NWA employees Another , that, and how many people are training to be DC-10 or DC-9 certified? The Crystal Ball? Is that a rel
72 SeeTheWorld : Hmmm ... I don't even know where to start with the first part of this statement; and with regards to the second part, if NW strikes, the worst part i
73 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : 85% load factor? Doesn't get too much better! NW is actually beating the industry average of 77.3%? WOW, there is something major wrong with manageme
74 Bohlman : I'd buy that if 92% of the pilots hadn't voted in favor of the strike. And if there would be a day three. Regardless, even if they did cross the line
75 YOWza : Is the threat of a strike imminent? I was under the impression that despite a rocky road NW was stabilizing a little. YOWza
76 Upsldplaner1 : I joined airliners just to get my words in on this subject. I fly NW every year to MOT, ND. THis is the only airline that flys into the state. I dont
77 Andessmf : Now I jump in!! Why is it always managements fault?? Could it be a bit of everybodies fault? I get paid well, but I dont thumb my nose at doing things
78 Upsldplaner1 : It would be nice to see more airline employees do what Southwest Pilots do. I feel it starts at the top. I saw an interview with the CEO of JetBlue sh
79 Spartanmjf : Add to the sentence "on clean, well-maintained aircraft that are staffed by professionals who like their jobs and who work hard to deliver outstandin
80 Post contains images Piercey : I don't know what I was thinking when I typed that, stupid me.... Either way, good thing both FF cards in my wallet are not in deep financial trouble
81 SeeTheWorld : You just made me laugh out loud!
82 MKEdude : True they would be working under the old contract. The idea of the "cooling off " period is that in that time labor and management would come to thei
83 FlyDreamliner : Anderson, their previous CEO was a fairly respectable man, but he wasn't willing to slash and cut and bloody battle his way to lower costs, so they b
84 KFLLCFII : Ok, it's 9:30pm EST...What's the judge's decision?
85 Post contains links Ejmmsu : Negotiations continued Wednesday night in New York and Bankruptcy Judge Allan Gropper told the parties to update him again Thursday night, said Wade
86 KFLLCFII : Thanks Eric!
87 Hodges : Seetheworld, That is a good point, airlines are going to have to find a way to operate with lower costs, but that shouldn't mean repeated cuts of sala
88 Dokken10 : As a X-NWA mechanic we did not want to bury NWA we said we were not willing to work for what they offered! NWA came to AMFA in Decemember 2005 with a
89 Dokken10 : Please read reply 88. Most of the replacement(SCABS) mechanic are A/P mechanics, but if you are a rookie or have worked sheet metal for a couple of y
90 Dokken10 : With all the ups and down in the airline business do you believe the pilots, mechanics, etc. do not have a back up plan?? Most of the mechanics I work
91 Indy : Maybe I'm reading this the wrong way but I take the judges lack of actions tonight as a positive sign. I think this means the two sides are very close
92 Post contains images MX757 : Dude, you are wasting your time. I've tried to reason with some these folks here on A.net. They don't want to listen all you're going to do is . As a
93 Dokken10 : Thx. for your support.
94 Dokken10 : I disagree, the RLA says they can strike if the company throws out a contract or alters the contract without the unions approval. The untested waters
95 Dokken10 : I hope that some will listen to both sides and quit believing everything they read from the bias news media.
96 Dokken10 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Anderson being one of Lorenzo's main lawyers. Didn't he leave for a executive job at United heath care? I wou
97 AndesSMF : Dude, if you can admit your shortcomings at such an early age, you are on your way to be very successful. Life is learning, and it only stops the day
98 Post contains links and images FlyGuyClt : Don't rely on gossip and arm chair quarter backing. Facts can be found at. www.nwaalpa.com Safe Flying
99 Bennett123 : Are NW still flying the B727-200?.
100 Post contains images FlyGuyClt : You are about 4 years behind the curve. No. Safe Flying
101 N587NK : but god, It doesnt seem like its been that long...hell I;ve been in this industry too long LOL I remember flying the 727-200 from LAN-DTW, seems like
102 Post contains links Bennett123 : www.nwaalpa.com seems to suggest that they still do.
103 Upsldplaner1 : Ya I have been flying to BIS MOT and FAR and would have to agree. Frontier again? I liked those days. I just hope its an airline that has its head sc
104 SeeTheWorld : You're absolutely right and for someone in high school, I'm impressed with your unbiased approach to this difficult situation. At some point, the rep
105 Dokken10 : Around 1999 and 2000, NWA could not find enough mechanics. They had a 2 year experience min. and lowered that to just having your A/P, and still they
106 Post contains images FlyGuyClt : Part of the history of the airline's fleet. The MD80 has been long gone also. I don't see anywhere that says "currently operating aircraft." Safe Fly
107 SeeTheWorld : Actually, that's a good point - I should have clarified that I meant because the airline industry is still a very "sexy" industry, there is never a s
108 Dokken10 : I agree. A perfect example is companies will have a stack of apps. or resumes for A/P jobs, but you can throw away more than half of them because the
109 JAXFLL : I stand correct from someone from the inside. However, that was not the rhretoric that was out there. Right, but the RLA also says that unions cannot
110 Indy : I'm curious as to why or how Railroad laws apply to Airlines.
111 Dokken10 : Many years ago the RLA was amended to included airlines. The rules are different on the airlines compared to the railroads. I'm sure airline lobbyist
112 Dokken10 : If the company is not in BK and the company throws out or imposes a contract without the union approving it, they have the right to strike. there are
113 Indy : I'd like to see this tested for curiosity reasons only. You cannot make someone work in this country and you definately cannot make them work for a wa
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