RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3003 times:
A study by Cargenie Mellon University researchers has found that cell phones and other devices can interfere with cockpit instruments and cause dangerous situations, although they do admit that there hasnt been a documented case where this has happened yet.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8723 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2904 times:
I use cell phones while flying Cessnas and we use the same instrumentation as the jetliners, for the most part. Although granted the big jets have much more complex systems. I think it's a load of crap but it doesn't matter, cell phones don't work on fast-moving high-flying airliners anyway.
Cpos From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2872 times:
I'm not in favor of cell phones on airliners. From my heavy experience taking Amtrak from Boston to NY, the trains have become moving conference rooms. The Quiet car works to a point....but it forces the conductors to be policemen. I enjoy flying so much more because I don't need to listen to Bob's conference call and Jill arguing with her Mother about her boyfriend.
Just imagine sitting on a 737 in 15B between two cell phone crazy PAX. Ugg.
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6833 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2792 times:
Quoting N766UA (Reply 3): I use cell phones while flying Cessnas and we use the same instrumentation as the jetliners, for the most part. Although granted the big jets have much more complex systems. I think it's a load of crap but it doesn't matter, cell phones don't work on fast-moving high-flying airliners anyway.
My Nokia GSM (T-Mobile) definitely causes harmful interference in the Cessnas that I fly...mostly over the headset audio (a funny "buzzing" sound). I definitely wouldn't want to be IFR in IMC with the thing on.
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Asgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2619 times:
I'm in favor of keeping the in-flight cellphone ban, mostly because of the annoyance that would be caused if everyone would be talking on the phone.
If every passenger on a plane had their cellphones turned on, then they might have some unwanted effect on the aircraft's systems. However, I don't think that a handful would do any harm. Look at it this way - On each flight there is probably usually at least one person who forgets to turn his cellphone off or doesn't know how to do it correctly - and there have no incidents (yet) been traced to cellphones being turned on.
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Raffik From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1741 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2615 times:
I cannot imagine anything worse than being on a flight with the person beside me having a conversation on their mobile.. the constant polyphonic ring tones going off all around the cabin.. text messages the lot! Nightmare.
I have noticed that alot of US airliners have phones in every centre seat- as far as I'm aware, this is not done at all in Europe, apart from inseat phones in J on 777/747/340. Any ideas why this didn't catch on in Europe?
I don't want to discourage you from doing so, specially on a Cessna-kind of aircraft. It is a very useful extra resource that comes pretty handy when things go wrong.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 3): I use cell phones while flying Cessnas and we use the same instrumentation as the jetliners, for the most part.
No. For the most part, what you share with a new generation airliner is the guys you talk on the radio to. Not much more. I have experienced complete ILS localizer deflection and glideslope false beams thanks to some idiot using the cell phone back there. And this was on an aircraft (oldie 737-200) which is closer to share some instrumentation with your airplane.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 3): I think it's a load of crap but it doesn't matter, cell phones don't work on fast-moving high-flying airliners anyway.
As a matter of fact they COULD work. The technology used before GSM could often get signal over large cities.
And it's not a load of crap. It is the law. As a pilot you might find interesting the following review on Hazardous Attitudes (part of your CRM training):
a. Invulnerability - Denial, "It can't happen to me."
Start thinking about the unthinkable.
b. "Can Do" - Macho attitude (Risk taking to impress others.)
Recognize risk taking as foolish behavior.
c. Impulsivity - "Do something fast!"
Stop! Think! Select the "best" course of action.
d. Anti-authority - "Don't tell me what to do."
Follow the rules. They are often right.
e. Resignation - "What's the use? Nothing I do makes any difference."
"You CAN make a difference."
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CIO666 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2504 times:
Keep the ban! Can you imagine trying to watch an in-flight movie while half the plane is loudly talking on cell phones? Allowing cell phone use on crowded airliners would certainly lead to an increase in air rage incidents and passenger vs. passenger confrontations. In-flight fist-fighting over cell phone etiquitte could become quite a passenger/flight crew safety issue.
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2481 times:
Quoting CIO666 (Reply 14): Keep the ban! Can you imagine trying to watch an in-flight movie while half the plane is loudly talking on cell phones? Allowing cell phone use on crowded airliners would certainly lead to an increase in air rage incidents and passenger vs. passenger confrontations. In-flight fist-fighting over cell phone etiquitte could become quite a passenger/flight crew safety issue.
I could care less about the conversations. But I don't want to hear a hundred annoying ring tones.
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Edelag From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2449 times:
Quoting Fly727 (Reply 17): You did? 13-15 years according to your profile... Boy, and I thought Doogie Howser was a genius.
Its always nice that your parents work in this big companies that buy planes as if they were pencils, and you parents get to go to cities on business and they bring you along. And Doogie Howser is a genius.
PurdueAv2003 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2438 times:
Quoting Edelag (Reply 16): Didn't the victims of Sep 11, use their cellphones while mid flight, and I did not hear that their attitude or altitude instruments went off.
And on a flight I took on a Rayethon 800XP I forgot to turn off my cellphone and I did not crash and I did land an ILS approach to MTY.
It's not a 100% certainty. The study shows that there is the "potential" for interference. Have you ever noticed that at your office or home, you may have full signal one day, but the next day you only have "two bars"? There are a large number of factors that weigh into whether the EMI actually causes a problem. I pray the NTSB never has to attribute the cause of a crash to Joe Schmo who thought his conversation was more important than the lives of everyone on board.
I support issuing detection equipment to the F/A's, as the study suggests. During there final checks, walk down the aisle and make sure their phones are off. First time, kindly ask, as some people do honestly forget to turn them off since they don't pay attention to the safety briefing (another issue all together). Second time, nail them for disobey flight crew instructions. Treat them just like the fools that disable smoke detectors.
Fly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1803 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
Quoting Edelag (Reply 18): Its always nice that your parents work in this big companies that buy planes as if they were pencils, and you parents get to go to cities on business and they bring you along. And Doogie Howser is a genius.
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Galapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2421 times:
Its also a mental thing when taking metro north in the morning to NY every day I can drown out the trophy wives who are headed into NY for shopping and are just yapping away and so can most everyone else, even if in the morning and at the end of the day its just a pain. But the difference is with a cell phone you can't do that as all you hear are 1 ended responses. No 2 way conversation which to a human Psychy its almost a command format. Making it so your involved. Its an annoyance, luckily on Metro North most (certainly not all) understand you gotta work and certainly try their best to talk on the cell phone (not to mention reception is bad overall as well). But planes would be disatrous as unlike commuting trains its not only longer (more time away from office), but its usually not ending up with you going to the office. Sometimes its the start of your vacation so they will be trying to squeeze every last office hour in. It would certainly be painful.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9406 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2402 times:
This is just from my experience, but my cell phone actually interferes with my TV, computer, even my car radio. Whenever someone's trying to call or text me while I am watching television, I can tell even before the phone rings. Two seconds before the phone rings, my TV will make a buzzing noise, the same thing with my computer and car radio. Then, again, that's just based on my experience...
And, I'll be damned. That was on in today's paper (on today's webpage) and I didn't even see it. I'm on there everyday...
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MTY2GVA From Switzerland, joined Nov 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2328 times:
Cellphones can cause cancer too. I have talked on cellphones during flight in fact the pilot helped me get to the window with the best reception. I mean of course cellphones can cause interference, we all know that its nothing new.
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Antoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
I don't think I'd like a plane full of cell phones... yes, I talk on my cell phone in public, but I try to talk as quietly as possible so as not to bother people around me... I also tell the person to hold on for a moment if I need to talk to someone else.
Now, what we must also consider is that certain phone technologies cause different levels of interference...
My old Nokia 5100 I never had any problem with at all. But now I have a Motorola RAZR (GSM)... and it, and every other GSM phone I've had, wreaks havoc with any other signal emitting or receiving device in my house when it's in use. That includes everything from the wireless keyboard to the LCD monitor, to the 15 year old "boom box" radio.
And then consider the added signals of bluetooth headsets and accesories... well, that possibly adds a whole different set of complications with signals.
In the end, there's not much important enough in life that I see the need to allow Cell phone use on planes in the air.
Make something Idiot-proof, and the Universe will make a more inept idiot.
: I agree with the rest of the interference, but Bluetooth is very weak and only has a range of about 30 feet with line of sight if the stars are align
: No, Bluetooth has a *usable* stepped datarate over 30ft, its signal actually goes out a fair bit further but at such low datarates theres no stepping
: OK, guys, there is one thing I don't understand: if cell phone can cause troubles with eqipment, how bad would be "legal" interference from radars (th
: Very inappropriate and insensitive example to prove your point.... Rather than crowing about it, consider yourself lucky that yours was not that one
: Two different things. The IFE is supposed to be grounded or shielded from inteference, so if any shorts do cause electromagnetic radiation its suppos
: A simple exercise just to understand how powerful are the signals emitted by a cellphone.... Keep your cell next to a computer with a CRT display moni
: I AGREE! Passengers are going to kill each other if cell phone usage is allowed. It'll be a flying nightmare.
: Well, i suppose it could be alright IF it was only used on silent mode and only to send and receive SMS messages, and to use GPRS internet connection
: ok well just let me add this: As someone who supports GSM/GPRS/EDGE network devices, i can tell you they WILL interefere with any of the following in
: Didn't Lufthansa do a research on this? and said that is was no hazard?