AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5547 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
That makes no sense.
AA isn't the one trying to compete with YX. Through the years, it's been NW that comes in once in a while and tries to push YX under... IF you believe what these threads say.
Rivals reunite in miles program
Midwest, Northwest to resume reciprocal frequent flier deal
By TOM DAYKIN
Posted: Mar. 1, 2006
Midwest Airlines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. will re-establish an alliance between their frequent flier programs, allowing members to accumulate and redeem miles on each other's airline, a Midwest Airlines source said Wednesday.
The new arrangement will begin May 1. It will replace the current frequent flier alliance between Oak Creek-based Midwest Airlines and American Airlines, which expires April 30.
The new arrangement between Midwest Airlines and Northwest Airlines will be fully reciprocal. It will allow members of either the Midwest Miles program or Northwest's WorldPerks program to accumulate miles through either airline, and then redeem those miles for tickets on either airline, said the source, who asked not to be identified because the official announcement is still pending.
The new arrangement will include KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, which is already part of WorldPerks, as well as Northwest Airlink and Midwest Connect, regional carriers operated by Northwest Airlines and Midwest Airlines. However, miles accumulated through Midwest Miles and WorldPerks cannot be combined in order to receive a free ticket.
Midwest Airlines and Northwest Airlines compete heavily, particularly on flights departing from Milwaukee's Mitchell International Airport, where they are the busiest and second-busiest carriers.
However, it's not unusual for competing airlines to have frequent flier alliances.
Midwest Airlines and Northwest Airlines last had such an arrangement from 1992 to 2003. That program ended when Midwest Airlines entered into its current agreement with American Airlines.
The American Airlines alliance, however, was not a reciprocal arrangement.
Word of the pending announcement comes one day after Northwest, which is reorganizing its finances under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, reported a $1.3 billion fourth-quarter loss - bringing its 2005 losses to $2.6 billion.
Midwest lost $64.9 million in 2005.
Northwest Airlines last year trimmed unprofitable flights throughout the country as part of its Chapter 11 reorganization. At Mitchell, Northwest Airlines cut flights to several cities.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2223 times:
Here's my Q...if you fly Midwest and get NW miles, do the miles ALSO go toward Elite or JUST regular miles? I understand if you fly CO and accrue NW miles the miles and segment go toward Elite. If you fly DL and accrue NW miles they DO NOT go toward Elite and the segments DO NOT count.
So..whats the take with flying Midwest and accumulating NW miles?
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2215 times:
I'm excited for this one! If only PHX-MKE was signature service... but even saver service has great meal options. If the prices are ever close, it will be worth it for the extra FF miles earned through an MKE transfer.
Another good point. While I'm sure everyone won't agree with me, I'd much rather transfer at MKE than MSP. The hike from the commuter gates at MSP is insane. Not so bad now that the tram is there, but that used to be quite a haul.
The fact the Gen. Mitchell has a smoking lounge is also a bonus for those of us pax that need a fix between flights.
AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2133 times:
Well, my final destination (or originating airport) would be MSP, so if I flew YX, I'd sacrifice a non-stop flight in favor of more miles - although I'd fly out of the Humphrey terminal at MSP, which is a nice new terminal, although it could use some more food locations IMO.
Me....the DC 9 will be phased out soon. The 717's should be around 20-30 years. Give me an oldie any time 'cause they won't be around much longer.
I miss the old stuff most of you guys haven't seen let alone flew on.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7481 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1980 times:
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 13): This is basically NW's way of conceding MKE to YX because let's face it - who would want to fly on crummy old -9's when you could have brand new 717's and chocolate chip cookie?!
For one, most people cant tell the difference inside between an NW DC-9 and a 717. Secondly, didn't I hear that Midwest no longer serves the chocolate chip cookies?
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
MSNtriathlete From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1878 times:
So is this an "if-you-can't-beat-'em-join-'em" signal from NW regarding their MKE service? It is really awesome for us pax who fly them both often. Those are the top 2 airlines I fly, and the same can be said for lots of people in my part of the country.
In response to Burnsie, the cookies are still baked & served onboard. I was on one of the focus groups YX had on what to cut, and people were pretty unanimous that they could cut the (awesome) free meals they used to have as long as they kept the cookies!
Now if only NW would learn a thing or two about baking cookes onboard...
...OK, someone slapped me and I'm back in reality now.
Here's my Q...if you fly Midwest and get NW miles, do the miles ALSO go toward Elite or JUST regular miles?
No EQMs or EQS' earned, only redeemable miles
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 8): I understand if you fly CO and accrue NW miles the miles and segment go toward Elite. If you fly DL and accrue NW miles they DO NOT go toward Elite and the segments DO NOT count.
DL flights count toward EQMs but not EQS'. CO miles in lower booking classes only count 50% toward EQMs and no EQSs
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1872 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 15): For one, most people cant tell the difference inside between an NW DC-9 and a 717. Secondly, didn't I hear that Midwest no longer serves the chocolate chip cookies?
I'm pretty sure even Stevie Wonder can tell the difference between a nice new and comfortable leather seat on YX versus the old cloth seats on NW and besides, when your flight is delayed half an hour because the -9 is broke where as your buddy on the new 717 is off and running, even the dead can figure that one out! NW's domestic fleet is old and ragged at best, even the -buses look older than they are.
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2295 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1846 times:
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 20): I'm pretty sure even Stevie Wonder can tell the difference between a nice new and comfortable leather seat on YX versus the old cloth seats on NW and besides, when your flight is delayed half an hour because the -9 is broke where as your buddy on the new 717 is off and running, even the dead can figure that one out! NW's domestic fleet is old and ragged at best, even the -buses look older than they are.
Got an axe to grind, AirRyan? Planes break, period. No matter how old or new they are. Our 717s break, our MD80s break, and NW's planes break.
Your buddy could just as likely be waiting a half hour because his brand new YX 717 farted on the ramp, while you're off and running on a Classic NW DC-9.
Furthermore...our Saver MD80s have the same cloth seats as those old DC9s. Think Stevie Wonder would tell that difference? Probably not. Most of the interiors on the DC-9s are only a few years old, anyway, since they've been recently restored.
Frankly, I'd love to fly on a -9 just as much as a 717. And as far as Joe Blow Passenger is concerned, he's not going to know the difference in airframe quality between a 717 and a DC-9.
Park a YX717 and a freshly painted NW DC-9-30 next to each other, and the biggest difference they'll notice is the lack of eyebrow windows on the 717...if they even notice that.
Okay...rant finished. Now I can sleep.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.