Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2213 times:
Vueling is killing IB's yields in BCN thanks to its lower cost structure that allows them to offer lower fares. If IB wants to compete against all LCC's serving BCN, they better keep the new airline totally independent from the parent. If not, I see a dark future for it...
Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1971 times:
Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter): Is understood that Iberia, its regional franchisee partner Air Nostrum and Iberworld, the Iberostar group airline, are in talks to create a new LCC based in Barcelona and using some 320's
IB wants taking part in it, but with a minor role. Mullor has already said a percentage about 30% (maximum) on the new company.
My opinion is that IB doesn't make up its mind; yesterday said one thing, today another different. Iberia 6 months ago was determined to buy VY or create a new, wholly-owned LCC subsidiary. Today they are saying "no more than 30%"
Future it has as Iberostar and Air Nostrum are delighted and there is money/capital (more even than necessary) to start up this task. If it has success, Vueling could be in a tight spot. Who knows...
Quoting Rojo (Reply 2): Vueling is killing IB's yields in BCN
Don't you think this statement is a bit exaggerated? I'd like to answer you with a question: How many times is IB bigger than VY? Most certainly, IB has decreased ops out BCN but the exact figure is a 5% by comparison with the last Winter. No more ...although it is not a tiny figure. IB can not decreasing more in order to avoid hand over valuable slots in the Spain's second airport. But it's clear IB is beating for Madrid-Barajas just as VY does as well.
Quoting Rojo (Reply 2): ...thanks to its lower cost structure that allows them to offer lower fares.
Being, generally speaking, the cost structure an issue itself --especially when we are talking the staff cost about ...unfortunately for the people who are working by a low-cost airline-- I'm going tell you IB is paying a lower fuel cost than VY.
This matter is interesting. We must wait for seeing what happen in a short-term ...and not only in Spain but also in Mexico with those new airlines arriving right now.
Aisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1947 times:
For the time being there are not only trying to cut but trying to get more money at all costs.
-They began by seting the pay service on board, that's ok....
-Then the 807 (premium rate) to get help to book on website or to ask for bookings, changes and refunds
-Then the fuel surcharge which is getting ridiculous as final price doubles the air fare price
-Then they stopped sending the Iberia Plus magazine to non-elite members (which is great as long as e-mail keeps on working)
-Now they change the Iberia Plus service center from a Madrid local number to a 807 premium number and apply a fee to book FF flights (5€ web, 10€ phone and 15€ airport office)
Last cr*p I heard is they are not using the IFE in narrow bodies because the screens can get broken because of use and would be expensive to fix them...
Well, I don't know where they're going but I know for sure I'm not going with them
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4690 posts, RR: 45 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1813 times:
Wouldn't Iberia management get into a whole lot of controversy with the unions if they would actually implement a low-cost offspring? After all, this is only thinly veiled outsourcing of IB mainline jobs.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Bullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1520 times:
The Unions at IB are watching management very closely. At the moment no layoffs have occured and none are planed. IB management has still not decided publicly what it's going to do although buying a stake in a new LCC seems to be the most likely option.
I can asure you that if IB pretends to layoff workers they will have a very hot summer.
These are my principles but if you don't like them I have others
Bullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1454 times:
The main airline is at the moment making profits, flying more paps every year and competing very well in a very tough market. We'll se in a few years who is still around. IB has it's problems as do all airlines. As I have said before I prefer an airline which hasn't got the best service in the world to a great airline with a great service who folds. I hope we continue as we are for many years.
These are my principles but if you don't like them I have others
Icaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 226 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1450 times:
Quoting A340600 (Reply 11): How about sorting out the main airline before starting another one?
Main airline is doing about fine. Main problem is that we can't compete in point to point routes with LCC's. That's why most routes not feeding pax to Madrid hub will be axed, therefore many BCN flights to Europe will disappear.
These routes will be given to Mediterránea (or whichever name they choose at last) which will be more capable of competing due to its lower costs.
IB won't have more than a 30% of this airline and won't participate in their management, because they want to keep it as a real Lo-Co with their own staff and their own pay rates. It won't participate at least directly, no doubt IB is going to decide some of the routes Med is due to operate.
Quoting Aisak (Reply 5): Last cr*p I heard is they are not using the IFE in narrow bodies because the screens can get broken because of use and would be expensive to fix them...
That is partially true. IFE has been removed from all short haul operation, but not for mechanical reason. It has been considered that the save in weight, maintenance and buying price is worth it. Therefore, no IFE in short haul and even safety demo made manually. (Big step backwards for FA's)
IBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1825 posts, RR: 61 Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
Quoting Icaro (Reply 13): Therefore, no IFE in short haul and even safety demo made manually. (Big step backwards for FA's)
True. I saw it when I went to BCN 4 weeks ago during T4's 1st day of operations, and I hate to say it but I felt sorry for Iberia. It just looked "cheap" and completely outdated. No IFE at all...not even those dumb candid camera shows, no airshow, no safety video...nothing. The crew was GREAT and the flight was a special one, but the lack of those "normal" things (judging by today's standards) made IB look cheap.
While this happens, many high rank directors spend their time warming a big seat at Velazquez 130 headquarters doing nothing but getting a BIG salary at the end of the month while the rest of the employees work their a$$es off both on the ground and on the air. It's interesting how there are more of those directors in Iberia's staff than aircraft in the fleet.
Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 10): I can asure you that if IB pretends to layoff workers they will have a very hot summer.
Just wait until I come back from my trip to UIO on IB. After that you can set T4 on fire if you want.
Oh wait...I have booked flights to AMS on IB as well for the summer season!!