DTWAGENT From United States, joined Jan 2006, 1141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2850 times:
What this is boiling down to is the Judge does not want to make the ruling. He is hoping they can get and agreement. If he puts this ruleing off again tomorrow night, then he will never make the ruling. Is up to NWA and if they can they will break the union and impose new work rules and lower wages. And then we will have a strike.
He is holding off because the two sides are close. He doesnt want to upset
the applecart unless it all comes unraveled.
I noticed that Allan Gropper is the SAME judge hearing the Tower Automotive case and he will rule March 13 on the contracts with the UAW in that matter.
Being from the DTW area, you are aware of the Tower Auto Chapter 11.
safe
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
N742AT From United States, joined Jan 2006, 46 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2075 times:
Although the two sides are close to reaching and agreement I dont think that NW will be satified with the outcome either way. If they dont get the cutbacks their dead if they impose the contracts their dead. It seems NW is going to lose no matter the outcome of the ruling or the negotiations. BEST of luck to all those involved in one way or another.
Burnsie28 From United States, joined Aug 2004, 4667 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2035 times:
Quoting N742AT (Reply 8): Although the two sides are close to reaching and agreement I dont think that NW will be satified with the outcome either way. If they dont get the cutbacks their dead if they impose the contracts their dead.
So far they will get cutback, both sides know what they can and can not afford, of course management wants a lot more then what they can afford. At the same time the pilots knowing what the airline can afford is not going to try and get a contract that wouldnt allow them to come out of it.
Isitsafenow From United States, joined Feb 2004, 3649 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1952 times:
DTWAGENT From United States, joined Jan 2006, 1141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1431 times:
Well NWA could start by cutting managements pay. They have yet to do that. They want to cut everyone elses pay, but they will not even think about cutting managements pay.......CO did that to help out with their employees and airline...Also, the employees don't trust anyone in management. Sounds like another UA.
Bobnwa From United States, joined Dec 2000, 3955 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 13): Well NWA could start by cutting managements pay. They have yet to do that. They want to cut everyone elses pay, but they will not even think about cutting managements pay
Every manager at Northwest already has had his pay cut by 20% and his pension frozen. I suggest you do a little research before writing such false statements.
AirRyan From United States, joined Mar 2005, 2035 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 441 times:
Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 5): What this is boiling down to is the Judge does not want to make the ruling.
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 16): As a lawyer, I don't like judges that are afraid to cut off negotiations and rule or set a trial date.
It's to the benefit of both parties to continue talking, but the judge needs to say that at 6pm, he will rule. No ifs, ands or buts.
Granted, the judge may be signing NW's obituary, regardless whether he voids the contract or not, but that's why he's a judge.
I totally agree, WTF good is a deadline if it's already been pulled back 2 or 3 times already?
This judge doesn't appear to have the intestinal fortitude to do his job - it's NW who had gotten themselves to this point and not the courts, all that the courts need do now is what the law dictates.
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her intentions fall to the floor
the angel closes her eyes
the confusion that was hers
belongs now, to the baby down the hall"
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