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Air Tran (and Delta) Cheap Shots  
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8451 times:

I haven't seen anything like this before -- a press release by an established carrier countering a competitor's monthly performance figures. Looks like gloves off. I'm not a fan of this kind of PR.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060302/nyth184.html?.v=26

(Edited to add that both parties are guilty!)

[Edited 2006-03-02 22:51:17]


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

DL started it by releasing this press release two hours earlier.

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060302/95123.html


I don't think Airtran would have said anything, but DL was kind of asking for it.


User currently offlineRdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

Nasty. FL better watch out, you don't want to hit a giant when they are down, and aren't certain they'll get back up. If you're going to hit 'em, make sure they're going to stay down.

Gus.


User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

I am. If Delta's going to serve Kool-Aid to the media, why shouldn't AirTran spike it?

This, from a Delta employee.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

Why is it bad? AirTran is defending themselves. It IS the truth, and that is what they are doing. If I recall SWA did the exact same thing to Northwest Airlines too!



Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

OK, thanks for sharing the DL release. Didn't see that. Tit for tat then.

Let the gloves come off!

[Edited 2006-03-02 22:59:00]


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineBishopOfPHL From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

I like it. DL took the opportunity to exploit one metric that makes them look good, and Air Tran fires back with about 6 or 7 that do the same for them.

The best part is the quote from their VP of Planning: "I would have thought Delta would have more important things to focus on with their bankruptcy, record losses and pending pilots' strike than this, but I appreciate them giving us the opportunity to set the record straight."


User currently offlineRdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
DL started it by releasing this press release two hours earlier.

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060302/95123.html


I don't think Airtran would have said anything, but DL was kind of asking for it.



Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 3):
I am. If Delta's going to serve Kool-Aid to the media, why shouldn't AirTran spike it?

This, from a Delta employee.



Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 5):
OK, thanks for sharing the DL release. Did'nt see that. Tit fot tat then.

Let the gloves come off!

I didn't see the DL release either. As they say in the ring, or quoting Marvin Gaye, "Let's get it on!"

Gus


User currently offline73G From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

Tough week for Delta's PR folks. First having to backtrack on the 'phantom' schedule changes and now issuing a press release which begged for the response given by AirTran. Dumb mistakes...par for the course these days.

User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

ROTFLMAO

This is like a spitball competition from high school.

Not very professional on either side.
However still very funny.

 rotfl  cheeky   laughing   duck 



Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 8217 times:

I'll consider switching to AirTran for a majority of my flights when they offer flights everywhere I need to go and when I want to go there. I'll also consider them if they are part of an alliance that will get me anywhere (almost seamlessly) in the world.

I won't consider changing to them for a few measly percentage points of on-time arrival as I never get bumped, hardly ever get my flight cancelled that I don't rescheduled for the next one in an hour or two, and in the two times DL has lost my bag in the past 20 years they had it back to me the same evening so that becomes a moot point as well.

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 7):
As they say in the ring, or quoting Marvin Gaye, "Let's get it on!"

Two completely different meanings for the same set of words. I prefer the second one with someone of a female nature...of course that is my wife.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineRdwelch From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 8205 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Two completely different meanings for the same set of words. I prefer the second one with someone of a female nature...of course that is my wife.

Copy that DeltaGator, I'll be sure to use the proper context next time. Nice recovery by the way. Big grin

Gus.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

Quoting Kevin Healy, AirTran Airways' vice president of planning:
"AirTran Airways would like to congratulate Delta on this accomplishment, but why stop there? Let's look at all consumer metrics reported by the DOT, including cancelled flights, lost bags, oversales and complaints. Based on the most recent DOT report, Delta was 21 percent more likely to cancel your flight, 64 percent more likely to lose your bag, an astounding 1,440 percent more likely to bump you against your will and, I suppose, not surprisingly, Delta customers complain 93 percent more about their Delta flights and service than AirTran customers."



grr...I couldn't find the more commonly used KO pic used in Non-Av



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 8195 times:
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It's some funny stuff. I read it and started to laugh my ass off.





edited to add a bitch slap

[Edited 2006-03-02 23:39:12]


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User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Ya-freakin-hoo! Good for FL! Hey, airlines have been doing this kind of bantering for years. The WN ad that Atrude777 posted is a classic example. I couldn't help from laughing out loud when I read that quote about DL focusing on other things. What was funny about the whole article is that they could have easily just stated the facts and left it there. But the gloves came off and David took a swing at Goliath and it landed and landed right on the eye. DL will have to brush this off somehow.. mostly they'll just ignore it. But, if they want to keep in good time, they'll throw a statement back.

Ahh, the good ol' days. I remember when this used to be a common occurance. Keeps airlines on their toes and working hard to getting the job done. The industry keeps this kind of action up, we just might see the return of some great airlines.  pray 

Let the games begin!  box 



If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 8040 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 12):
Mikey711MN

Make sure he stays down otherwise he'll bite your ear when he gets up.. Lets go  box  Dl and FL.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

What about "let's get ready to ruuuummmmbllllllee!!!!!!!!!!"
Go Airtran!!  box 



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

I agree with everyone!!

I especially liked the last paragraph:

"So if you don't need to get there and don't really like your luggage, fly Delta; but when the trip matters and you really want to get to your final destination with your bags and a smile on your face, fly AirTran Airways," said Healy. "I would have thought Delta would have more important things to focus on with their bankruptcy, record losses and pending pilots' strike than this, but I appreciate them giving us the opportunity to set the record straight."


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

Well...this is a little like Trump and Martha Stewart fighting. Gee...why are they all of a sudden bickering in the media about "The Apprentice"? OH, WHAT A COINCIDENCE! THERE'S A NEW SEASON STARTING!

The real point of Delta's press release was to say, "Despite all the negative crap you've heard recently, we're really operating just fine." They probably hoped for a little squib in the AJC (the local paper) reporting the figures and reminding Atlantans that they're basically still running a decent operation.

Unfortunately, they led with their chin by mentioning their competitor. The Airtran press release is EXACTLY the kind of thing that I used to be tasked to write -- something that just takes the facts and spikes them 10 feet into the opponent's butt, along with a little snippy characterization at the end as sort of a victory dance. Sometimes it would go out as is. Sometimes someone with a little perspective would say, "Well, that's not where we really want to go", and we'd take out the victory dance.

The little report on the statistics would go on page 23 of the paper in the lower right corner: "Delta reports on-time statistics". But media LOVE FIREWORKS. So, this snide Airtran release might get them a little better press: "Sparks Fly Between Atlanta Airlines" on page 3.

At the end of the day, the Delta-leaning fliers who were worried about the bankruptcy come away thinking, "Okay, they're still performing adequately." The folks who were afraid to fly Airtran come away thinking, "Gee, I guess they have a pretty decent operation." The folks who might have switched to an out-of-town carrier think, "Okay, I guess I can fly one of my hometown carriers." And life goes on.

For the "club-them-in-the-head-with-a-2x4" kind of document that this was, it was great writing. Not elegant, but these things aren't supposed to be. It's the skinny kid who knows karate knocking the bully on his ass the first time the guy even looks his way.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2971 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7879 times:

Wow. I never thought I'd see the day...

It's nice to see AirTran respond so quickly and so strongly. Though Delta didn't mention AirTran in its press release, 99.9% of all Atlantans knows who they are referring to. AirTran referring to Delta by name sort of surprises me however.

Actually, it doesn't. Remember the whole FlyI at CLT fiasco?

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

I like it..only because the comparisons being thrown about are more apples vs apples instead of 'we won this ficticous award' and 'but we won this ficticous award'.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
I'll consider switching to AirTran for a majority of my flights when they offer flights everywhere I need to go and when I want to go there.

DeltaGator, If you'd like, I'll send you a few free passes in BizClass on FL for this year.

Quoting Ptharris (Reply 14):
The industry keeps this kind of action up, we just might see the return of some great airlines.

AMEN REV. Ptharris! I pray the day TWA and Western come back.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 18):
For the "club-them-in-the-head-with-a-2x4" kind of document that this was, it was great writing.

hehe, 2x4's are not strong enough....anyone interested in sparring with some rebar?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offline73G From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 19):
Though Delta didn't mention AirTran in its press release

The headline of their press release says AirTran!!


User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Yes! Delta mentions AirTran in the title and once in the first paragraph.

I laughed my @ss off when I read the AirTran release.

 Smile

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 19):
It's nice to see AirTran respond so quickly and so strongly. Though Delta didn't mention AirTran in its press release, 99.9% of all Atlantans knows who they are referring to. AirTran referring to Delta by name sort of surprises me however.



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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 21):
DeltaGator, If you'd like, I'll send you a few free passes in BizClass on FL for this year.

And that will help him how? Offering him anything that he didn't ask for? He didn't ask for free upgrades on FL. But everything he did ask for, FL can't provide.

Personally, I never thought I would see the day Delta would stoop to FL's level of marketing. However, it did give FL a chance to make an ass of theirselves with a retort. They like to mention all the things that DL is "more likely" to do(as if DL tried to do these things) and forgets to mention that they aren't even half the size of FL. For instance:

Delta AirTran %
Air Lines Airways Difference


On-time Arrival All Airports 77.3 % 75.3 % 2.7 %
Atlanta 75.7 % 73.7 % 2.7 %
Common Airports (All DAL) 74.0 % 75.2 % -1.7 %


Delta posted higher than FL on all statistics in on time arrivals, but when it refered to "common airports"(anyone notice no other airline statistics ever mention this, therefore FL just made this one up for themselves?) the difference is only 1.7% in favor of FL. Pretty insignificant, considering that DL is twice as large as FL, so 1.7% isn't exactly newsworthy, especially in a "common airport" area that FL made up.

Secondly:

Cancelled Flights (percent of schedule) 1.7 % 1.4 % 21.4 %

Now, math was never a major for me in college, but I don't see .3% difference as 21.4%. Anyway, lets just say it is for arguments sake. Delta will cancel your flight 1.7% of the time, as compared to the smaller rival's 1.4%. Given that DL is twice as large, that would account to Airtran being MORE LIKELY to cancel your flight than DL! Way to go, FL!!!  footinmouth 


Third:

Lost Bags (per 1,000 passengers) 6.71 4.09 64.1 %


Same as before. I don't see how 2.62% difference equates to 64.1%, but anyway...FL loses your bags only 2% less than DL does. Given that DL is twice as large as FL, that means FL has some serious problems with their bags. Given that their interline bags with other airlines DON'T EVEN include bag tag numbers, its not surprising why. If your not going to have a number to track a bag, why even put a tag on it in the first place?


Fourth:

Involuntary (per 10,000 passengers) 1.54 0.1 1,440.0 %
Denied
Boardings


Now, I looked into this one and talk about a typo. Airtran is reporting October-December 2005 traffic, NOT January. If they chose to scroll down a little more in the DOT report, they would see that over the course of 2005, FL's denied boarding numbers are much closer, 0.37 as compared to DL's 1.31! Not exactly the 1,440% that FL would like.


Fifth:

Complaints (per 100,000 passengers) 1.43 0.74 93.2 %


Now, they are correct in this category. And from that, once again, Delta is the larger of the 2 airlines, so it should have twice as many complaints as FL, right? Nope. In order for DL to be eclipsing FL with twice as many complaints, they would have to have 1.48 complaints per 100,000 passengers. Therefore, statistically speaking, FL has more complaints than DL if you were to compare them evenly.


So, as much as FL would like to spin the numbers(as some folks on these boards like to do as well), the numbers don't play out when compared to the size of the carriers. When you do that, FL is far and above worse than FL, not surprisingly. Also, over the course of 2005, DL played out better than FL in several monthly categories as well.

Now that DL stated the facts and FL came back with high-school name calling in knee-jerk defense, its pretty clear that FL can't help but admit that DL has them beat, so they spin some numbers and shoot out wrong percentages. And considering that FL is freaking out that DL is starting to challenge them on their own monopolistic routes, it should be interesting to watch it play out.


http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/dynami...ite=http://www.dot.gov/airconsumer


OttoPylit


25 Jetdeltamsy : Hey...i work for Delta, but who can knock AirTran for spelling it out. AirTran continues to KICK OUR A$$ in Atlanta. They didn't need to publish this
26 Steeler83 : Airtran is operating as one of the best airlines in the industry right now; right up there with other airlines like WN and YX. DL said that they have
27 73G : Otto, my man. Do you know what a ratio is? Its the relative magnitude of two quantities. Do you know what that means or was English not your major (or
28 MSYtristar : Good for FL to stick up for themselves. Any self respecting airline wouldn't let a dying dinosaur of an airline get in a cheap shot without a quick re
29 SeeTheWorld : This was a brilliant PR response by AirTran. I laughed out loud and shared it with everyone in my office because it was such a bonehead, naive, sophom
30 JetBluefan1 : You're 100% correct. My bad. Now that I've unblinded myself, I see that DL doesn't have the smartest PR people. Did they really think that AirTran, a
31 Aa757first : That's the worst quote. Delta really doesn't say anything about AirTran, except that they beat them in on-time performance. If AirTran reacted simila
32 DeltaGator : If you're offering I could use them for vacations and maybe a business trip here or there. I choose DL mainly because they get me anywhere I need to
33 SeeTheWorld : Gimme a break! The way AirTran responded was clever, humorous, and illustrated a lack of foresight on Delta's part. Now, answer me this AAndrew, how
34 AvConsultant : Delta is an empty giant. When DAL was at their strongest in the late 90's, they could barely make a dent in AirTran/ValuJet. FL is much too strong an
35 SeeTheWorld : If the AirTran response to Delta hadn't been so clever and funny, it would truly be tragic. No, I take that back, it is tragic. Not only was Delta's p
36 Post contains images Flyinryan99 : Maybe I missed this in all of this...but do these statistics include the Delta Connection carriers? I would say, in order to compare these evenly, you
37 Post contains images OttoPylit : Say what? Where have you heard this? DL still operates ATL-PIT and will continue to do so. MD-88 service down the board last time I looked. According
38 Ejmmsu : "Excluding reorganization and special items, the fourth quarter net loss was $782 million. (1)(2)" "about $213 million excluding bankruptcy costs" (f
39 PlanesNTrains : He does. Nope. You seem to be getting younger by the day. Were you sweating when you typed this? It smacks of desperation. No offense, but do you rea
40 Bennett123 : OttoPylit If you have figures per 1,000 then they are comparable. If the figures were the same, then the bigger airline will have lost more bags, but
41 SeeTheWorld : OttoPylit, I apologize in advance, but your ignorance on simple math is astounding, and it affects the credibility of all your posts because one begin
42 Post contains links SeeTheWorld : http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/ Good Morning Delta Management.
43 N5716B : Actually, I believe they were. Delta Connection, from what I understand, are run under the auspices of Comair, and they are specifically mentioned in
44 FlyPNS1 : Wow...you can't even do basic math. This explains a lot about your ridiculous responses. Let me put it to you this way. If Airtran flies 1,000 flight
45 SeeTheWorld : Maybe this will help Otto - If Delta has 2,000 flights (twice the size of AirTran as an example only) and AirTran has 1,000 flights, Delta will cance
46 DAYflyer : Good for FL.
47 Scoljet : I see both sides of this debacle. I live in Wichita, KS. (ICT) and Delta was a fairly strong carrier here providing service to ATL,CVG, and SLC. Wichi
48 Incitatus : Delta is not a giant. Delta nowadays is shorthand for the "bankrupt estate of the corporation previously known as Delta Airlines". Apparently they ju
49 SeeTheWorld : The Wichita situation is a different issue, but it is noteworthy. Communities apply for government grants to entice carriers to operate service in ma
50 Post contains links SeeTheWorld : http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2006/03/airtran_delta_i.html#comments Check out the comments. Sizzle!!!
51 Post contains images SBN580 : You know, however we push these numbers around, I am not sure it will make a great impact one way or the other. Size always matters doesn't? Your kid
52 Richierich : As FlyPNS pointed out, Otto, do you not understand basic math? I really didn't want to get into this argument but I was sort of amazed that you don't
53 SeeTheWorld : Yea, Sure, Fine, Whatever ... You've got it backwards my friend. Delta, plain and simply, blew it on this one.
54 Scoljet : Well put SeeTheWorld....sometimes we cut off our foot despite our toes!
55 SBN580 : I'm not saying they didn't. They tried to score a few points, that facts could not fully back up. Fine. It's just that AirTran should have let the fa
56 Travatl : Did somebody at Delta PR have a brain tumor for breakfast? MAYBE, if Delta had been better than AirTran in all the DOT categories, and had had a SIGNI
57 B777-700 : I read both and Delta's release came off as factual, and professional. AirTran gave me the impression they were run by 6 year olds. It was full of per
58 JetBluefan1 : Otto, it's OK if you weren't a math major or anything. I wasn't either. And it's OK if you don't understand the rate (percentage) as opposed to actua
59 SeeTheWorld : LOL ... Okay, now that's just one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.
60 SeeTheWorld : ESCUSE ME! Have you not read any of the other posts? Your basic knowledge in math is lacking!!!!! This issue has been raised by a few other members w
61 B777-700 : I'm sorry, but no amout of ranting and raving on your part is going to change what I believe. AirTran came across to me as very childish, and you are
62 SeeTheWorld : What you believe and what is fact are two different things. I just ask that you read the previous posts when you bring up the same issues that have b
63 Richierich : Umm, OK, so your opinion is that Delta's statement was professional and yet AirTran's retort was childish? Now you are making me laugh. Let me put it
64 B777-700 : Am I sour? I have no loyality towards either of them. I don't understand this. Why do the both of you decide to attack me for expressing how I feel a
65 SeeTheWorld : Your view that AirTran was being childish is neither right nor wrong, it is as you said, your opinion. I respect that. BUT, your statement about the
66 WDBRR : How many straight guys use the term "bitch slap"...not many. I think it was very unprofessional of Delta to issue that press release. I am glad that
67 JetBluefan1 : I think the bitch slap serves the purpose well, actually. And I'm straight. JetBluefan1
68 N742AT : To sum this whole thread up! Delta was wrong to come out with the release in the first place, Airtran rightfully so responded in a humorous yet author
69 Post contains images OttoPylit : Hmm, after your entire post, not only have you brought absolutely NOTHING to the conversation, but you also personally attack me, which reeks of desp
70 STLGph : Please, if you truly studied PR you would know that this was a slam dunk on behalf of Air Tran. Nothing "unprofessional" here except in your own litt
71 FlyDeltaJets : Ill make sure to think about Airtran the next time I am flying to Europe, Asia, or the Carribean. Oh wait they don't go there oh well Ill just settle
72 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Do you just cut and paste this, or does it feel new each time you type it? Maybe you are misunderstanding how a forum works. I mean, you did type thi
73 Gr8SlvrFlt : Hey, Otto: Since Math is obviously not your strong point, maybe you should focus on English. "Your" means belonging to you; "you're" means you are. It
74 73G : Wait a minute, youre able to non-rev to SXM over a weekend during Spring Break?? No wonder your airline lost $6,720 a minute in January. Must be nice
75 SeeTheWorld : LOL ... "not that there's anything wrong with it." SEINFELD ... Jeez .. you make it sound like suggesting someone is GAY is the worst thing in the wo
76 SeeTheWorld : Dude - why don't you take a little of your own advice? Damn, I've got a lot of pent up anger, but you make me look comatose.
77 SeeTheWorld : You are WRONG! The rules for small community grants are the same for every airline. Small community grants are not exclusive in markets where there i
78 Richierich : Like I said, I'm not necessarily anti-Delta. Sure I've had some less than stellar experiences with your airline but I don't hate them. Don't pretend
79 Post contains images BH : WOW!!! Looks like the Big Dogs are letting fly loose in here.
80 Post contains images OttoPylit : I never said your opnions weren't worth anything. But your post had no opnions, so it would do a lot better than just blatantly attacking someone, as
81 Post contains images Richierich : Thanks for making me out to sound like a cry-baby. Did you ever think that maybe some concerns are legit? As it turns out, I sent a letter to Delta m
82 PlanesNTrains : Otto, you're a riot. LOL! -Dave
83 AviationAddict : I think it's pretty funny. DL tossed up a fat one and FL made them pay, good for them. I'm not a big fan of FL, but I'm also not a fan of the legacies
84 SeeTheWorld : Dude - it was a joke; I was being self-effacing and trying to add a little levity. However, you sure seem like one of the most wound up persons on th
85 Post contains images OttoPylit : And could it have been that they actually took your advice and did it. Otherwise, why reply just to say, "OK, consider it done." Thats a heck of way
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