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Report: UA To Apply SFO-CAN  
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Stor...e=blq%2Fyhoo&dist=yhoo&siteid=yhoo

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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

i swear they applied for SFO CAN awhile ago...

'902



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

They did, but it was via HKG IIRC, this would be SFO-CAN non-stop. I think this is great, as it will be only the second n/s flight from the US to CAN, the other being CZ's nonstop to LAX from CAN. As much as I would like to see a carrier like CZ here, this is great.
BTW, a little Off topic here, but does China Eastern have any plans to fly to SFO anytime soon? That would be awesome.

-Copa


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

This is actually UA's third attempt to get the SFO-CAN nonstop as part of additional China frequencies that become available each year. Previous winner were Continental EWR-PEK and American for ORD-PVG.

I'm sure some of the previous applicants will dry again including Delta ATL-PEK, Hawaiian HNL-PVG and AA and CO for yet additional city pairs.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

Thats sorta stupid, HKG-CAN is a very short flight. Although i still do remember the application being for a nonstop flight. Maybe im wrong.

'902



life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

It always strikes me that UA does tons of non-stop flights from the U.S. to Asia and does flights using their Japan 5th freedom rights. Yet NW doesn't do this at all. They did about 10 years ago but now its back to via NRT, KIX and NGO. NW dropped the ball. Way to go UA.


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

I speculate that the following applications are also possible (listed in order of likelihood, IMO):

AA: ORD-PEK, JFK-PEK, JFK-PVG
DL: ATL-PEK, JFK-PEK
CO: EWR-PVG

I'd like to see UA get SFO-CAN and DL get ATL-PEK. Why? I think it is important for a new non-stop market to be opened by a US Carrier, so I support SFO-CAN. While we're starting to get plenty of non-stops to PEK and PVG, CAN is underserved by US Carriers. I also like the fact that UA actually flies from the West Coast, rather than through midwest or east coast hubs.

DL on the other hand would open up a new part of the country to China service, offering many many connections.

Finally, I think other airlines should get a chance and I don't think AA/CO should be awarded any rights this time unless they were to propose other cities like CAN that are not already well served.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

It would be nice for the SFO-CAN UA application to go through, as well as the HA HNL-PVG one. I think those two will go through, but the ATL-PEK one could pass as well. Its really a crapshoot.

-Copa


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Copa...China Eastern load were aweful the first time around. I doubt we'll see them return. But would be a nice site to see them return.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

AS739X-Yeah, I heard there were some terrible loads on those flights. Almost like the Brazil flights up to SFO. Anyway, more Intl. flights to SFO are always a good thing. I hope some of these rumors like EK, EI, and AI to SFO come true...the more the merrier.

-Copa


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Wow....what a market! Not just a 772, either...but with a 744!!!

Maybe they're counting on picking up some used 744s from NWA...  stirthepot 


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Where would UA get the additional JumboJet? Is it possible that the 2 JumboJets reported at www.boeing.com/commercial/orders/ could be for UA? (I realize, of course, that delivery of those 2 would be after UA have asked to start flying CAN.)

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Zvezda...No, they have 744's in the desert. They will bring 2 of those out before ever buying 2 new planes.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Here's a quick article from this past week's Sunday San Francisco Chronicle on San Francisco - Guangzhou/Canton ties. Not aviation-related, but may interest some.



http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...le=/c/a/2006/02/26/TRGCVHCTS21.DTL


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

At the last round UA also applied for CAN. I have the documents somewhere on my harddisc where UA explains why they should get the traffic rights. Obviously CO and AA won that time.
In the original documents UA applied for SFO-NRT-CAN which they indicated to make nonstop after one or two years.
Maybe this time thez wnat to start with a nonstop right in the first place.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 6):
AA: ORD-PEK, JFK-PEK, JFK-PVG

I would actually expect AA to apply for DFW-PEK.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 15):
I would actually expect AA to apply for DFW-PEK.

While I agree with RwSEA that AA will probably apply for ORD-PEK, and not DFW-PEK, daily, I agree with you, BigGSFO, that it would be smarter on AA's part to apply for DFW-PEK. AA would do quite nicely to be able to claim in its DOT filing that it will not only be opening up a new Chinese city to AA flights, but it would also be opening up a new U.S. gateway for the service, especially because it is a gateway that provides more onward connections throughout the U.S. (in terms of flights per day) tha any other U.S. hub but ATL. In addition, AA will be able to offer far more connections, more conveniently, to the 2008 Olympics in PEK via DFW than via ORD.


User currently offlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3156 times:
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Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 2):
BTW, a little Off topic here, but does China Eastern have any plans to fly to SFO anytime soon? That would be awesome.

They used to fly into SFO, a few years back with the MD-11, can't recall the flight numbers. They still sorta do but it is a cargo flight and I believe it is via ANC using a MD-11.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 16):
While I agree with RwSEA that AA will probably apply for ORD-PEK, and not DFW-PEK, daily, I agree with you, BigGSFO, that it would be smarter on AA's part to apply for DFW-PEK. AA would do quite nicely to be able to claim in its DOT filing that it will not only be opening up a new Chinese city to AA flights, but it would also be opening up a new U.S. gateway for the service, especially because it is a gateway that provides more onward connections throughout the U.S. (in terms of flights per day) tha any other U.S. hub but ATL. In addition, AA will be able to offer far more connections, more conveniently, to the 2008 Olympics in PEK via DFW than via ORD.

Well if that's the argument, then DL at ATL should get the rights instead. While both DFW and ATL offer minimal O&D to China, they both have plenty of connecting flights, in fact, ATL is the biggest airline hub on earth. Plus with DL, the DOT would be able to give rights to a new carrier (AA already has China rights).


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

It seems this 3rd time around, United stands a much better chance.

In the two previous awards the DOT stated it wanted to introduce new airlines into the China market besides the incumbent United and Northwest, while also providing New York at the time the largest non directly served US-China market with a US carrier.

This time the DOT could further US carrier reach into China by introducing a totaly new city with nonstop service by a US carrier outside of the current concentration of all nonstop flights to Beijing and Shanghai by the US carriers.
Guangzhou and the surrounding region have become very economically important and US business interest could be well served by UA proposed new city pair market.

Outside of the United bid, I would say Delta would likely stand the best chance as it could introduce a new city on the US end along with the Southeast market to China services eventough it yet again would be adding to the concentration of US services at PEK and PVG.



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