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Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7405 times:
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Boeing says it is in talks to sell 17 B787s to two different Russian carriers which are not Aeroflot; fair use excerpt;

By Lyuba Pronina and Bradley Cook
March 3 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world's second-biggest maker of commercial aircraft, is in talks to sell as many as 17 of its new 787 airliners to Russian carriers, not including OAO Aeroflot.

Boeing hopes to sell ``up to'' 15 of the planned model to one Russian airline and two 787s to another, Craig Jones, Boeing's vice president for sales in Russia, told reporters in Moscow today, declining to identify the carriers.


Source: http://www.bloomberg.net

We've all heard that Boeing is still talking to many customers about the 787 but this surprises me a little and leaves me to ask;

1: Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?

2: I was of the impression that Import controls existed to a certain degree which made it harder to buy Foreign Airplanes in which case could these frames be leased instead and already ordered by a Leasing Co?

Finally, if Boeing's VP of sales say's their in talks, I've no doubt Airbus are talking to the same carriers, so nothing's set in stone, so which carriers? any more input would be appreciated.

Regards, PanAm_DC10


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7375 times:

Can we infer anything from this press release about the upcoming Aeroflot announcement?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?

Which Russian carrier could afford 13 brand new widebodied aircraft?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6867 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
1: Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?

Transavia comes to mind. They have half a dozen 767s all of which are quite young. Sibir seems to be the other likely candidate. They're growing fast.

But they aren't the only candidates.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Two 787s can be more or less every carrier, however I would guess this would be likely Transaero. For the "up to 15" I would consider S7 as a prime candidate, even though I would rather expect them to go for the A350.


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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2213 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
I was of the impression that Import controls existed to a certain degree which made it harder to buy Foreign Airplanes in which case could these frames be leased instead and already ordered by a Leasing Co?

Whether the airplanes are leased or bought doesn't matter. Russian airlines have to pay import taxes on both. But most Russian carriers have a tendency to lease rather than buy foreign airplanes, so I would agree that a lease is more likely than buying the airplanes.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?



Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Transavia comes to mind.

I suppose that you mean Transaero. Yes, they're a likely candidate.

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Sibir seems to be the other likely candidate

Plus Pulkovo, whose hometown (Petersburg) is actually one of Europe's biggest cities with more than 5 million inhabitants.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6867 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

Quoting RedChili (Reply 4):
I suppose that you mean Transaero. Yes, they're a likely candidate.

Wow! That was a stupid mistake. Thanks for correcting me. Yes, of course, Transaero...  Sad


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7257 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 1):
Can we infer anything from this press release about the upcoming Aeroflot announcement?

That's a most valid point. They are about to announce their earnings and hopefully, with it, their A350 / B787 decision.

Be very interested to know what routes these carriers would use them on. To me, this is quite an interesting development. Also, as I stated before, I've no doubt that Airbus would be "in talks" too.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7203 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 1):
Which Russian carrier could afford 13 brand new widebodied aircraft?

There is a lot of money in Russia, they are paying of their foreigh dept rapidly.
People in Siberia want to spend their holidays in sunny places. One of the reasons is they export a lot of oil / gas..

At the same time the domestic industry focussed on more profitable militairy projects.

E.g. Krasnojarsk (former high tech weapon industry forbidden city) houses a fast expanding 767 operator, Krasair, could be the one..


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7168 times:
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Kras Air is another likely candidate for the 787. I don't think Kras Air has yet operated a non Russian built aircraft. They'll probably order two airframes to start with.

Ben Soriano
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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7112 times:

What about domodevo?


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User currently offlineFVTu134 From Russia, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Well a few airlines come to mind.
If not Aeroflot then we could first and foremost think of Transaero which already has a bunch of 767's and is taking some more from KLM

Then look at all the IL-86 operators and I'm sure some of those are prime 787 candidates as well. Pulkovo (FV) already parked one of their 86's along with some of their Tu-154B2's. There is now a little graveyard next to the Cargo Terminal. I'll try and shoot some pics next time I drive by there. Since Boeing is making some efforts to get them started with some 735's, who knows what else they want to offer to FV.

I didn't know that Kras air also had 767's. I always see their TU-204's here in LED and they are a joy to see. But they are definately a rapidly growing company, due to their central position.

Domodedovo airlines has always been a strange one to me but they also have a bunch of 86's which sooner or later will be parked, especially with the high fuel costs.

But of course there is also Airbus. Boeing has some advantage since there are more "used" birds on the market and they could be had at cheaper rates then the Airbusses... which is why airlines like Vim and Sibir are flying used Boeing metal. I'm sure that Airbus' sales staff is very active with some creative deals to pursuade some of the airlines to switch side.
Nice to see from the spectator point of view, but sad to see the Russian birds go out. From a pure flying point of view they are just plain exciting



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6698 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
I don't think Kras Air has yet operated a non Russian built aircraft.

Oops sorry about what I posted. Actually, yes, Kras Air does fly non Russian built aircraft. They have 2 767-200's, EI-GAA and EI-GBA. I just realized that. But still they are a likely candidate for the 787 in the future.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinePlaneDane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 1):
Can we infer anything from this press release about the upcoming Aeroflot announcement?

Perhaps, Aeroflot will go for the A350 after all. Then, the other strong carriers in Russia will take the B787.

That would be a great way out of a highly political buying decision and would make Europeans happy.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

I think 2 for transaero and the others for Vim since they have a fleet of 15 757's, just a wild guess..

[Edited 2006-03-03 19:41:18]

User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
People in Siberia want to spend their holidays in sunny places.

Ya think!



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

There are quite a few posibilities...

Sibir
VIM
Domodedovo
Transaero
Kras Air
East Line

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):

I think you mean TRANSAERO ?


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

Small remark : Kras Air doesn't exist anymore , since they are called Air Union.

Do not think it's Sibir , since they have said that when the 787s and A350s will be delivered , they will buy on second hand market A330s , to replace their A310s.Did they have changed their plan ??


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6867 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting BOEING787 (Reply 16):
I think you mean TRANSAERO ?



Quoting RedChili (Reply 4):
I suppose that you mean Transaero. Yes, they're a likely candidate.



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Wow! That was a stupid mistake. Thanks for correcting me. Yes, of course, Transaero...

It's only a short thread You couldn't read it all?  sarcastic 


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 17):
Small remark : Kras Air doesn't exist anymore , since they are called Air Union.

They are still pretty much Kras Air when people refer to them. AirUnion is a merger between Kras Air, Domodedovo Airlines, Omskavia, Samara, and Sibaviatrans. But people still tend to call them different airlines. They still have their respective liveries.

Aeroflot777

[Edited 2006-03-04 19:26:45]

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