PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90 Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7391 times:
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Boeing says it is in talks to sell 17 B787s to two different Russian carriers which are not Aeroflot; fair use excerpt;
By Lyuba Pronina and Bradley Cook
March 3 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world's second-biggest maker of commercial aircraft, is in talks to sell as many as 17 of its new 787 airliners to Russian carriers, not including OAO Aeroflot.
Boeing hopes to sell ``up to'' 15 of the planned model to one Russian airline and two 787s to another, Craig Jones, Boeing's vice president for sales in Russia, told reporters in Moscow today, declining to identify the carriers.
We've all heard that Boeing is still talking to many customers about the 787 but this surprises me a little and leaves me to ask;
1: Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?
2: I was of the impression that Import controls existed to a certain degree which made it harder to buy Foreign Airplanes in which case could these frames be leased instead and already ordered by a Leasing Co?
Finally, if Boeing's VP of sales say's their in talks, I've no doubt Airbus are talking to the same carriers, so nothing's set in stone, so which carriers? any more input would be appreciated.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7346 times:
Two 787s can be more or less every carrier, however I would guess this would be likely Transaero. For the "up to 15" I would consider S7 as a prime candidate, even though I would rather expect them to go for the A350.
RedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7311 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): I was of the impression that Import controls existed to a certain degree which made it harder to buy Foreign Airplanes in which case could these frames be leased instead and already ordered by a Leasing Co?
Whether the airplanes are leased or bought doesn't matter. Russian airlines have to pay import taxes on both. But most Russian carriers have a tendency to lease rather than buy foreign airplanes, so I would agree that a lease is more likely than buying the airplanes.
FVTu134 From Russia, joined Aug 2005, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6935 times:
Well a few airlines come to mind.
If not Aeroflot then we could first and foremost think of Transaero which already has a bunch of 767's and is taking some more from KLM
Then look at all the IL-86 operators and I'm sure some of those are prime 787 candidates as well. Pulkovo (FV) already parked one of their 86's along with some of their Tu-154B2's. There is now a little graveyard next to the Cargo Terminal. I'll try and shoot some pics next time I drive by there. Since Boeing is making some efforts to get them started with some 735's, who knows what else they want to offer to FV.
I didn't know that Kras air also had 767's. I always see their TU-204's here in LED and they are a joy to see. But they are definately a rapidly growing company, due to their central position.
Domodedovo airlines has always been a strange one to me but they also have a bunch of 86's which sooner or later will be parked, especially with the high fuel costs.
But of course there is also Airbus. Boeing has some advantage since there are more "used" birds on the market and they could be had at cheaper rates then the Airbusses... which is why airlines like Vim and Sibir are flying used Boeing metal. I'm sure that Airbus' sales staff is very active with some creative deals to pursuade some of the airlines to switch side.
Nice to see from the spectator point of view, but sad to see the Russian birds go out. From a pure flying point of view they are just plain exciting
who decided that a Horizon should be HORIZONtal???
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3728 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6684 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 8): I don't think Kras Air has yet operated a non Russian built aircraft.
Oops sorry about what I posted. Actually, yes, Kras Air does fly non Russian built aircraft. They have 2 767-200's, EI-GAA and EI-GBA. I just realized that. But still they are a likely candidate for the 787 in the future.
Aeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2999 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4238 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 17): Small remark : Kras Air doesn't exist anymore , since they are called Air Union.
They are still pretty much Kras Air when people refer to them. AirUnion is a merger between Kras Air, Domodedovo Airlines, Omskavia, Samara, and Sibaviatrans. But people still tend to call them different airlines. They still have their respective liveries.