Transatguy From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 67 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15785 times:
Well Boeing fans, the new Queen of the Sky's landed in YYZ not too long ago and its AWESOME!!
PIA's 777-200LR is at gate C27 in T3, parked next to her sister a BA 777-300. You can see the differences right away. First off, the engines.....much bigger than the -300. My "GUESS" is about a foot or so. The tail looks larger as well. Looking at her from the front, you can see how much higher it is than the -300. It's taller and fatter, holding an impressively sized crew rest area up in the forward and mid galleys.
I didn't bring my camera today , but I'm working on the flight on Sunday, I will have plenty of pics to post.
Its nice to see that PIA chose YYZ for its first flight and will continue to do so for their summer sched. Total flight time was about 14.4 hrs, I spoke with the cappy and he said he flew about 70% of the flight...11 hrs or so!!
Anyways, back to the plane I go, just took some time to update you all.
CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 708 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15718 times:
Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter): parked next to her sister a BA 777-300. You can see the differences right away. First off, the engines.....much bigger than the -300. My "GUESS" is about a foot or so. The tail looks larger as well. Looking at her from the front, you can see how much higher it is than the -300. It's taller and fatter, holding an impressively sized crew rest area up in the forward and mid galleys.
Couple of problems BA don't have any -300s so it should have been a -200, and if so a standard -200 has the same dimensions as a 200LR except for the extra wing span.
But if your looking at the only 200LR I can see why it would look bigger and better.
Star_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15632 times:
None of this can be right, the only physical difference between the -200ER and the -200LR is the raked wingtips, everything else is exactly the same. The fuselage shape and size is identical.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8809 posts, RR: 19 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15542 times:
What other airlines, if any (I am sure there are...), have placed an order for the 772ER?
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Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8809 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15343 times:
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6): Tons of airlines (there's over 500)
Now, I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental. They'll use them for EWR-China(Shanghai, providing they get government approval-see "Continental wants Shanghai") I take it that this aircraft will be a "best seller" then...
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PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15330 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7): Now, I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental. They'll use them for EWR-China(Shanghai, providing they get government approval-see "Continental wants Shanghai") I take it that this aircraft will be a "best seller" then...
No offense, but where the hell have you been the past few years? They have 18, and are using them to both Europe and Asia, and have since they acquired them.
MD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15330 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7): Now, I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental. They'll use them for EWR-China(Shanghai, providing they get government approval-see "Continental wants Shanghai") I take it that this aircraft will be a "best seller" then...
Dude, the 772/ER isnt brand new. And not just CO has them. (Off the top of my head) TG,SQ,UA,DL,BA,AF,EK,KQ,MS,RG,Air Austral, MH. Just do a search
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8809 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15330 times:
Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 8): No offense, but where the hell have you been the past few years? They have 18, and are using them to both Europe and Asia, and have since they acquired them.
Hey, I've only been on Anet for not even a full week. Gimme a brake! Other than that, I've been in the books, trying to get thru college... I intend to graduate in May with a BA in environmental geography. As soon as I get out, I hope to be working for a transportation group somewhere or a local planning commission.
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HighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15243 times:
Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter): I spoke with the cappy and he said he flew about 70% of the flight...11 hrs or so!!
Autopilot? did he monitor 70% or hand fly 70%? its so terrific the 777LR is in service. congrats boeing!!!
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BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 57 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15133 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7): I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental.
Maybe he means the order CO placed last year in July for (2) additional 772ERs.
Quoting N754PR (Reply 11): Maybe the daughter of the sky's..... The Queen is over in France
Tigerotor77W From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15098 times:
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6): Tons of airlines (there's over 500)
My first post, and it's a correction... don't worry, I'm not always this stickler-ish.
Airplanes, I think, not airlines. I would be thrilled if the 772ER had an order book of 500 airlines!
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8809 posts, RR: 19 Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15068 times:
Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 14): My first post, and it's a correction... don't worry, I'm not always this stickler-ish.
Airplanes, I think, not airlines. I would be thrilled if the 772ER had an order book of 500 airlines!
Welcome aboard! I haven't been around that long myself, not even a full week. I really haven't paid any attention to this stuff until fairly recently.
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Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8809 posts, RR: 19 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15008 times:
Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 13): Maybe he means the order CO placed last year in July for (2) additional 772ERs.
Yeah, and I have already seen other information that involved Continental Airlines and the 772/ER.
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MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14743 times:
I don't understand why they feel the need for a LR when an ER will do the job perfectly fine? 14.5 hours flight time isn't anywhere close to the maximum range... EWR-HKG is 16 hours.
AvFan4ever From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14594 times:
Quoting Star_world (Reply 4): the only physical difference between the -200ER and the -200LR is the raked wingtips, everything else is exactly the same.
The engines are different. GE-powered 772ERs use the 85B/90B/94B, while the 772LR uses the 110B. Even though the 110B has a larger fan diameter, it fits within the same nacelle. For spotting purposes, the 110B (and 115B) have forward-swept fan blades, and the inlet cowl anti-ice exhaust exits the nacelle at 5:00 (forward looking aft), compared to 3:00 on the smaller GE90 engines.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14235 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7): Now, I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental. They'll use them for EWR-China(Shanghai, providing they get government approval-see "Continental wants Shanghai") I take it that this aircraft will be a "best seller" then...
Despite what the others are saying you're right, the tail height is 2.5 inches taller than the -200ER and half an inch taller than the -300ER but how you noticed that on a beast like the 777 is beyond me...
OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3206 posts, RR: 66 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13857 times:
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6): But for the 772LR PK, AC, AI and BR
Don't forget Emirates
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Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3230 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13561 times:
Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter): PIA's 777-200LR is at gate C27 in T3, parked next to her sister a BA 777-300. You can see the differences right away. First off, the engines.....much bigger than the -300. My "GUESS" is about a foot or so. The tail looks larger as well. Looking at her from the front, you can see how much higher it is than the -300. It's taller and fatter, holding an impressively sized crew rest area up in the forward and mid galleys.
Are you certain you are talking about a BA 777? My guess is that the BA plane is a 763ER. That is the only way you could see differences you have seen. The difference between the 772ER and the 772LR can only be seen by the wingtips.
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25 Motopolitico: The Queen needs to work out to lose some weight, because she is fat as a whale.
27 TinkerBelle: Maybe BA merged with AF andf they already re-painted some of the big Kahunas Maybe he had binoculars Queen needs a nose job for a fact.
28 Gr8Circle: Get into your car....you'll see the 'brake' down near your foot Almost any new aircraft launched these days and you 'Don't forget Emirates'
29 KBGRbillT: Wrong, the -200LR has a larger wingspan (same as -300ER span) and different engines (larger fan diameter) than the -200ER plus the raked wingtips.
30 SunriseValley: Nope, BA's current LHR-YYZ schedule is 2x daily 777-200ER
31 Cruiser: Well, apparently PIA does not agree with you. They were making a tech stop in Manchester everytime they flew into YYZ with the 772ER. James
32 JAGflyer: PIA took out a large ad in The Toronto Star with a photo of the 777 (computer animated model). "Now fly non-stop to Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi with
33 Raggi: The increased take-off mass of the -LR will allow PIA to carry more payload than with the -ER. Simple as that. raggi
34 TinkerBelle: If you really do mean photos, here they are;
35 AA777223: I am a little dissappointed that PIA hasn't made a bigger deal about all this. As far as I know, even Boeing hasn't listed the LR as delivered yet! I
36 Deaphen: my analysis is that it really depends on the type and status of the company in question. Being from India, i can assure you that be it Air India, Ind
37 FiveMileFinal: Nah, this is perfect. When you're taking delivery of one of the baddest planes on the planet, an understated, cavalier attitude is key. The fact that
38 Olympus69: I'm always in the wrong place it seems. Yesterday I was taking pictures of planes landing on 33L when PIA came in on 33R!!!!!
39 Jacobin777: actually, according to PK, the -200LR gives them a 15-18% cheaper seat cost miles and 20-20% cheaper to operate against its competitors..... actually
40 MarshalN: Now that makes more sense. I suppose LR's numbers beat ER's too.
41 AA777223: Don't get me wrong... I'm all about understated elegance and class, however, in the interest of marketing, I would think of an airline like PIA, whic
42 FiveMileFinal: HAHA. I hear you, you've got some great points. I still think PIA's playing it perfectly by keeping it fairly close to the vest...that alone will gen
43 AirbusfanYYZ: Pics are in the queue and waiting to be screened... I've asked for priority but dunno if it qualifies. Sorry you missed it John. We'll have lots of op
44 Milan320: Don't know if advertising the fact that the airline you'd be managing has the longest range commericial airliner might actually be so good. I could s
45 Gigneil: All versions of the 777 have the same wing dimensions. The only difference is the raked wingtips. N
46 Boysteve: How else do you fit 555 people onto an aircraft? I think I agree with you on this one. Was it a 'tech stop'? Or was it an extension of a previous MAN
47 AA777223: I see what you are saying, and you make a very good point. However, I think for the most part, people would rather just get where they want to go wit
48 Tigerotor77W: Actually, the 772LR and 773ER have wingfit extensions of 6.5 feet each... giving the extended-range machines a wingspan of around 212 feet versus the
50 KBGRbillT: Therefore they have an overall different wingspan dimension. Thanks for helping make my point Tigerotor77W!
51 Gigneil: What you said is still incorrect. You said that they had a larger wingspan plus the raked wingtips. I am saying that the wingtips are the only increa
52 Boeingfanyyz: Well, the man saw what he saw! Out of curiousity, why do AC and AI both come up as Air Canada? Nah, probably just monitored it. Assumingly his co-pil
53 Tigerotor77W: I took your original comment to mean that the wing dimensions were identical, even though the extended-range machines had the extensions. My mistake
54 SSTsomeday: 'love PIA's paint scheme, by the way. Very elegant.
55 Solnabo: Still no US carrier order on 773ER or -LR?? Micke//SWE
56 TinkerBelle: Nope. Maybe UA will after they get their $hit straight.
57 Solnabo: That will take some years for UA to get their $hit straight and buy new a/c. My guess is they´re back at Ch11 before anyone can say smorgasbord... Re
58 KBGRbillT: Before: After: At least now you are finally admitting that it DOES have an increased wingspan!!
59 Olympus69: I hate it when they're are using both those runways for arrivals (or 5 and 6L). If you don't catch the first contact on 132.8 or whatever, when they
60 Gr8Circle: Quite a good analysis of the situation and fully agree with you....but I do think that given the state of competition in India, AI might perhaps, do
61 IMatAMS: Transatguy could be right in his observation about the engines... Part of BA's 777 fleet is RR powered, and AFAIK the RR 777 engines are a little smal
62 YYZflyer: If the PIA 772LR does come to YYZ in the summer, what days of the week will it be?
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