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MKE Concourse C Expansion?!?!?!?  
User currently offlineMkeflyer717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 431 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

After refreshing the page several times in disbelief it finally appears the hammerhead on concourse C is going to be built for sure!!!! take a look for yourself http://www.mitchellairport.com/terminal.html I wonder when its going to be done, I haven't heard much about it. Anybody have more details?Should be interesting so who takes the 8 new gates. Big grin


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

It just strikes me as odd that it would be in the terminal map without at least being under construction. This might sound like a really dumb question but are you sure they haven't started yet? I mean maybe you are there every day and my question is really dumb. Maybe you haven't been there in a month and its a legit question. It just seems odd to me to have it mapped like that already.


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User currently offlineMkeflyer717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 431 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 1):
It just strikes me as odd that it would be in the terminal map without at least being under construction. This might sound like a really dumb question but are you sure they haven't started yet? I mean maybe you are there every day and my question is really dumb. Maybe you haven't been there in a month and its a legit question. It just seems odd to me to have it mapped like that already.

Well I haven't been to MKE in a while but I could've sworn they were just remodeling the present concourse C and that was it. So as far as I know it hasn't been started yet and I also find it odd to be on the map already. I know there has been alot of talk about this hammerhead but I didn't think it would ever be done. Hopefully some fellow Milwaukeens can clear some things up for us.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9178 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

I found quite a few things that were under construction or proposed, and they'd be mapped as if they were already built. A little bit off-topic, but after they closed down the E concourse at PIT, there were still some links on PIT's website that said that there were still gates and shops and things still in use in that terminal, even after a year it was closed. I did another deep search to find out that the terminal was shut down in 2003. Some ways, it's the other way around...


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2869 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

You're right that the remodel of C is just being completed, and there doesn't not appear to be any obvious work done on the hammerhead of C yet. As far as I know the C hammerhead is *not* yet a go.

I'd suspect this map was put out there in error -- a map of projected gates but not actual facilities.

I find this map interestingly incorrect in two other areas:

--The gate changes on D, where construction IS well underway, will add gates 27 and 29 to the stem of D and (apparently) remove 31 / 33 / 35 /37. No sign of 27 and 29 on this map, and they should be in use later this year. No chance the C hammerhead would be ready by then.

--The low-number C gates 6, 7, 8, are a temporary addition added to take pressure off while C was being redone. Unless plans have changed significantly, those gates will not last.


User currently offlineScutfarcus From United States of America, joined May 2000, 389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4172 times:

Yeah, I was there a few months ago, walked to the end of C and it was indeed all shrouded in plastic and such, indicating big remodeling going on. But I went to the windows specifically to see if anything was happening that looked like a "hammerhead" and the tarmac is completely intact all the way around, not so much as a paint mark on it, so if it's going to be built it ain't happening right now!

User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2441 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 4):
--The low-number C gates 6, 7, 8, are a temporary addition added to take pressure off while C was being redone. Unless plans have changed significantly, those gates will not last.

those are probably still up there since they are still currently being used

Quoting Scutfarcus (Reply 5):
Yeah, I was there a few months ago, walked to the end of C and it was indeed all shrouded in plastic and such, indicating big remodeling going on.

yeah I was there in late november and thats what I saw there to
here are some pics of concourse C that I took back then:

these are the 3 extra gates 6,7,8
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1358/aapic20qm.jpg

looking down concourse C
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3649/aapic38ji.jpg

I am going to be flying outta C in a couple weeks so I'll be sure to take some pics and write a trip report!!!  highfive 



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 1):

I believe that there was a plan pre 9/11 to add to the E concourse and also the C concourse as well. The Idea was to try and lure WN here. I believe that project was shelved, and they are now only planning to expand on the E concourse unless this has changed.
The plan called for an arm to extend down where the open air parking is and where the taxis are now currently staged waiting to pick up clients.
I believe this to still be the master plan if I am wrong please let me know.
Regards,
Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2441 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

I was looking around the MKE airport website and i found these in the 2004 newsletter for airport projects



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 7):
believe that project was shelved, and they are now only planning to expand on the E concourse unless this has changed.
The plan called for an arm to extend down where the open air parking is and where the taxis are now currently staged waiting to pick up clients.
I believe this to still be the master plan if I am wrong please let me know.

well i looked through the master plan and couldnt find anything about expanding E but I did get this pic



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 8):
well i looked through the master plan and couldnt find anything about expanding E but I did get this pic

Mke like I said I thought the E expansion was talked about pre 9/11. I very well could be wrong and judging by the new master plan I appear to be wrong.
Anyway once this expansion is done what airline will begin service to MKE. WN I doubt it. To close to MDW I believe. Maybe Jet Blue with their RJ's ??
I would love to mainline UA begin service to DEN again. That is a long flight in the 50 seaters.
Regards,
Mark in MKE



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User currently offlinePhuebner From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

This is interesting...what concourse is Midwest? Are they going to expand here? If not, I wonder what kind of expansion MKE is expecting? I mean, we can put all our guesses here but what is MKE really planning for there has got to be something or they wouldn't have invested that much money for this type of expansion.

On another note: What airline is the plane with the blue tail and outlined apple?



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Quoting Phuebner (Reply 10):
I wonder what kind of expansion MKE is expecting?

I know they are trying to woo Wn to start up here. They are also after Jet Blue pretty hot and heavy from the rumor mill here. I think Jet Blue wants to start here as well.
They have scaled back expansion plans since 9/11.
They are also after some overflow traffice from ORD. They want to be Chicago's 3rd airport.
It would be nice to get a International Flight here 2 or 3 times a week. (Wishing out loud) I highly doubt that would happen.
Regards,
Mark in MKE

[Edited 2006-03-05 13:34:19]


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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2441 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 9):
Mke like I said I thought the E expansion was talked about pre 9/11. I very well could be wrong and judging by the new master plan I appear to be wrong.

yeah I know I was just saying what I found, and btw the master plan on the MKE airport website it pretty outdated, it has not been updated for as long as I can remember

Quoting Phuebner (Reply 10):
On another note: What airline is the plane with the blue tail and outlined apple?

that would be apple vacations but it is flown by ryan international airlines



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2869 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting Phuebner (Reply 10):
This is interesting...what concourse is Midwest? Are they going to expand here? If not, I wonder what kind of expansion MKE is expecting

Midwest is concourse D.

Prior to the current D concourse construction, Midwest had 12 jetways for 14 parking spots. That's the entire left side of the D concourse, both stem and hammerhead. The cluster of small aircraft on the right side of the hammerhead are the Midwest Connect gates. The two full-sized gates on the right top side of the hammerhead are USAirways. The three gates on the right side of the D concourse stem were United.

United has moved over to C, and those three gates on the right side of the stem are now being reconstructed to serve as more Midwest Connect space. When C is completed (the current remodel, not the potential C hammerhead) then USAirways is planned to move to C, and the entire D will be Midwest.

As for other airlines, MKE has for at least 10 years lobbied Southwest hard with no success. Southwest has had a significant strategy shift in the past few years that may make MKE somewhat less likely. Southwest USED to aim for the smaller secondary airports and shy away from the big congested ones. That's no longer the case. Doesn't mean that Southwest WON'T come to Milwaukee in the next five years. But I don't think it's a "given".

Two other things hurt Southwest's propsects in Milwaukee:

--Not enough of Southwest's big emerging hubs are good markets from Milwaukee. Vegas and Phoenix, yes. But Milwaukee is far too close to Chicago for a flight. Baltimore and Philadelphia are geogrpahically not good for connectiong/thru flights from Milwaukee and are not particularly lucrative local traffic markets. When one thinks about the type of routes that Southwest might add from Milwaukee, things like MKE-STL-HOU come to mind. But that's definitely the "old" Southwest.

--The shortage of success for AirTran in Milwaukee confirms something that has long been thought...MKE is a fertile place for junk markets like Florida and Vegas, but it's a much harder nut to crack for business travel. Come in with $99 fares to Vegas and you'll have people climbing out of their graves to fill 747-400's. But in spite of prosiing loads you won't make much money doing so, and it doesn't mean you have any pull in the MKE market.

Frontier has done okay here with high load factors and low fares, but I think it is very telling that in spite of very high load factors they still have gone back and forth between 2 and 3 flights per day and that's it.

The airport definitely has to plan for other airlines to expand here. And as Chicago continues to move north, north, north, the number of passengers from metro Chicago using MKE is continuing to grow. But that's been the story for years, and at least so far no low fare airline has come to MKE and set the world on fire.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3975 times:
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Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 13):
When C is completed (the current remodel, not the potential C hammerhead) then USAirways is planned to move to C,

The won't be any room for US to move to C unless the hammerhead goes through. Barry Batemann has said that the are going to continue with the construction of the hammerhead.

The concourse E construction is slated to begin later this month.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2869 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
The won't be any room for US to move to C unless the hammerhead goes through. Barry Batemann has said that the are going to continue with the construction of the hammerhead.

The concourse E construction is slated to begin later this month.

Thanks for the update, AirTran737. Unless the temporarly gates are sticking around awhile, it seems that C is kinda tight for US to go there as well. C has traditionally had 8 gates:

DL needs at least two
AA needs at least two
UA/AC needs at least two
US needs at least two
That leaves none for F9 or any of the scheduled charters or similar like USA3000that operate from C. And two gates is already a little tight for AA and UA/AC, though that might be what they go with.

I believe at one time the plan was for Delta to move over to E with NW and CO, opening up more room for US on C. But without the hammerhead on C and without the temporary gates, C is awfully crowded.

Have you heard any more about the hammerhead? Or conversely have you heard that D51 & D53 are staying with US on a longer-term basis?

As for E, is there more work planned other than the security lane rework, or is that the bulk of it?


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2441 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
The concourse E construction is slated to begin later this month.



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 15):
As for E, is there more work planned other than the security lane rework, or is that the bulk of it?

I am wondering the same thing as I have never heard anything about doing anything to E besides the security lane renovation



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3910 times:
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Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 16):
I am wondering the same thing as I have never heard anything about doing anything to E besides the security lane renovation

There was a meeting about two weeks ago with the airport station managers that talked about it.



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3883 times:




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User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

The following is part of a corporate communication from Midwest that was dated October 2005. Of course this could have all changed by now.


The current construction involves a renovation of the D Concourse -- the
arrival and departure point for all of our scheduled service out of
Milwaukee. This project, which will provide upgraded facilities for our
passengers and employees, is expected to last a year.

Specifically:
Gates 30, 34, 36 and 38 will be enlarged and upgraded -- including new
seating, carpeting, walls and ceilings. Work will begin soon inside and
outside Gate 34, and continue through March 2006. After Gate 34 is
complete, renovations will move to Gates 30, 36 and 38, with each of
these gates taking approximately seven weeks to complete.
On the south side of the concourse, work begins this week and will take
most of the coming year.
On the lower level, two new gates -- 27 and 29 -- will be added for
Skyway. These gates will provide more waiting space for our
passengers and easy ground-level access to their aircraft, as well as
much-needed additional parking for Skyway aircraft. Gate 52 will also
continue as a Skyway gate.
On the upper level, Gates 31-37 -- which until recently had been
either empty or used by United Express and Air Canada -- will be
remodeled to provide extra seating, a children's play area and vendor
space.
The main corridor on the upper level of the D Concourse will be upgraded
late next summer.
Finally, at the culmination of the renovations, US Airways will relocate
to the C Concourse -- at which time Midwest Airlines and Midwest Connect
will occupy all D Concourse gates.


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2441 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 17):
There was a meeting about two weeks ago with the airport station managers that talked about it.

well thats very interesting...can you fill us in more on this, whn is it expected to start and how many gates will there be out of it?



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3837 times:
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Nothing is changing too much in E. The glass partitions will be put in to replace the drywall that is currently in there. Also where the lockers are in E there will be a small smoking room.

The concrete at the end of C was torn out two summers ago, but the airport had to put the hammerhead on hold so they paved it over with blacktop, that way it would be easy to remove. I want to say that the estimated completion date for the new hammerhead is 2008. I will look around for the notes from the meeting and see what I can find.



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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

I was just at MKE last week and there are absolutely no signs of the hammerhead. The renovation is pretty much done except for cleanup at the last few gates at the end of the concourse. I don't know what the plans are for the "temporary" gates, but if they stay around, there will be room for US Airways at the end of concourse C.

In my opinion, the ideal concourse situation would be:

C - American, United, Air Canada, US Airways, AirTran, Frontier, Apple, USA 3000, Allegiant Air, Funjet
D - Midwest & Midwest Connect
E - SkyTeam - Northwest, Continental, Delta


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2441 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting Tekelberry (Reply 22):
In my opinion, the ideal concourse situation would be:

C - American, United, Air Canada, US Airways, AirTran, Frontier, Apple, USA 3000, Allegiant Air, Funjet
D - Midwest & Midwest Connect
E - SkyTeam - Northwest, Continental, Delta

First of all Allegiant Air doesnt even fly to MKE so I'm not sure why its up there unless I'm missing something[but i wish they would Cool], if they dont make a hammerhead then there would be only 8 gates, here are the airlines and how many gates they use:

UA, air canada jazz, funjet > x2
AE > x2
FL or DL > x2
USA3000, apple vacations > x1
F9 > x1
US > x2
so that all comes up to 10 gates but even if they were to rearrange some things to make things tighter it would still be difficult as those 3 temp. gates arent expected to stay - it would also be difficult as MKE is looking to expand



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User currently offlineMkeflyer717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 431 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 23):
First of all Allegiant Air doesnt even fly to MKE

I believe Allegiant flies some charters into MKE from places like Punta Cana and Cancun and thats why its listed.



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25 2travel2know : How about the connector between Concourse C and the International Arrival Terminal? It could add 3+ gates for Concourse C (or become the "New Concours
26 Tekelberry : Sure they do. It's just not scheduled service (charter). I thought I heard once that MKE is actually thinking about keeping those around. The only fe
27 Mke717spotter : really I had no idea, lasttime I was in MKE I dont remmeber seeing their ticketing counter nor anyaircraft Well it is a possibility, but when first m
28 Knope2001 : They don't have their own ticket counter...I believe you check in upstairs where you check in for USA3000 at the north end of the main terminal upper
29 Post contains images Mikey711MN : Agreed. And I believe there is a Master Plan alternative with such an arrangement on the north end of the terminal. Although I don't think there is s
30 Legacytravel : They are chartered by Apple Vacations. Allegiant pick up the flying left behind when Transmeridian went belly up. Regards, Mark in MKE
31 AirTran737 : Just to give an update. While driving around the C concourse today I noticed that a new contractor was out on the ramp drilling holes in the ramp for
32 Post contains images Mke717spotter : I never knew that DL flew their erj's to MKE, where do the fly to? btw - maybe this is kinda off topic but how many flights does NW still have outta
33 AirTran737 : 18 IIRC. By the way. I told Barry Bateman about this thread and he started to laugh. He wondered why people don't have anything better with their tim
34 Tekelberry : Does anyone else see the irony here?
35 Post contains images Senorcarnival : I was at MKE in January and there were no signs of an expansion of Concourse C, but rather it looked like it was just being renovated. As for WN, fly
36 Tekelberry : Yes and yes. Many MKE residents insist on flying only YX and consider it "their" airline. On the other hand, MKE is one of NW's strongest markets wit
37 Post contains images Mke717spotter : so which cites do they fly to? - also you dont gotta rub it in like that since that what were supposed to do here on this forum, the speculation on t
38 AirTran737 : DTW, MSP, MEM, CUN (Sat. only) LAS, MCO and LAX filler
39 Mke717spotter : they kept the CUN route!?!?!? well thats a shocker after everyone was saying how poorly it was doing so I'd think they would keep a route like LGA or
40 Knope2001 : When is MKE-CUN operating? I don't see it in the schedule for the next several Saturdays, which is when NW ran it in the past (Saturdays during Feb/Ma
41 Mke717spotter : you know im not sure when they fly it but I'm pretty sure I saw it once a couple of weeks ago on the arrivals on MKE's website and I thought it was a
42 FutureFO : We operate our E145 to CVG. 10 1/2 hour overnight. Sean from MCO and SDF
43 Mlsrar : From their sked, effective 2/16/06 CUN 236p 610p 1939 320 6 1511 If DL and FL were to trade locations, it would certainly be ideal to lasso all of th
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