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What Happened To Viasa?  
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

I would like to know what happened to Viasa airlines?I flew them once on my trip from EZE to isla Margarita via CCS.I remember the service onboard was excellent and the DC-10 splendid.Venezuela is a great country and should be represented by a strong airline
Saludos Venezuela
Alex!!!


Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

They went bankrupt around 10 years ago. If not mistaken, Iberia had a stake in Viasa but didn't want to reinvest more money into it (or wasn't able to do so).

[Edited 2006-03-04 14:35:54]


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User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

You'll find some info in this current thread:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2637944

plus a short history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viasa



I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

I wonder if conviasa can be the reincarnation of viasa?
Saludos Desde Noruega
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineBA747 From Venezuela, joined Sep 2005, 106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Hey Alex here I go with the full story of what happen to VA. It all had to do with a lot of money involved between to presidents, which at the moment they were Carlos Andres Perez of Venezuela and Felipe Gonzalez of Spain. When IB buys VA this two guys fill their pockets with a lot of money, and at the end we venezuelans lost our airline due to terrible management from IB.
Before that happen, VA used to be the best airline in South America and probably around the world. Passengers from other Europeans airlines said they always prefer to fly VA instead of their national carriers since the service and friendliness of the crew what something special. I hope this information clears your doubts a little bit.

Saludos

Alex



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

Quoting BA747 (Reply 4):
VA used to be the best airline in South America and
probably around the world

Well sure it was ,i remember their excellent service

Quoting BA747 (Reply 4):
I hope this information clears your doubts a little bit.

All this time i was wondering how an first class airline from such rich country could ended like that,but now i have a clear idea.Thanks BA747 for this info
and wish for Venezuela prosperity and peace
Saludos Venezuela!
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

VIASA's route map was second only to VARIG (during its heyday). For example, in the 70s, VIASA had a once a week CCS-Rome-Beirut flight.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
CCS-Rome-Beirut flight

Sure latinplane ,when i was kid i use to live in BEY and i remember the logo of Viasa in Beirut international airport
saludos desde Noruega
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/6577/mapaderutasviasa4so.jpg

Here's the airline's final route map! Like I said, it was pretty impressive.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

I hope that Conviasa will be able to revive the glory of Viasa
Saludos
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4745 times:
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That may have been the final route map, but Viasa served JFK for long years.

User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

Quoting BA747 (Reply 4):
It all had to do with a lot of money

That is way too simplistic an assesment of what happened to VIASA.

There are plenty of other threads on the topic here in the Net. but, very briefly, its demise, in January 1997, had to do with these aspects:

1) Refusal by the Venezuelan Government to acknowledge past debts (mostly having to do with Union and employee pension contributions and fringe benefits awarded when the airline was State run)

2) Appalling administration by IBERIA (itself, then, a State-run outfit with as many or even worse problems, practices and interests as VIASA had so there was no way the two airlines' cultures could ever meet eye to eye)

3) Refusal by SEPI (Iberia's State holding company) to allow for VIASA's losses to be funded

4) VIASA Unions refusal to budge on wage and conditions restructuring plus a reduction in payroll owing to gross overmanning (statistics show at one time the airline had 12 DC-10 First Officers per every DC-10)

The airline was, indeed, privatised in August 1991 not to the best bidder but to the one most convenient to the ruling party of the day and so, instead of choosing KLM (the other serious contender with a slightly less generous offer on the cards), IBERIA was selected after hard lobbying by both, King Juan Carlos of Spain himself (who visited Caracas 2 weeks before bidding day) and Prime Minister Felipe González, old-time personal friend of Venezuela's then President Carlos Andrés Pérez.

It must be stressed that if VIASA turned out to be a world-class airline it is because its founding fathers (from inception in November 1960 as a joint public-private airline till 1984 already fully nationalised) chose KLM, the world's oldest airline, as its guiding light and benefited no end from such a fact. In the 1960s and 70s VIASA's excellence was such in every respect that not only regional KLM Caribbean services (before ALM was set up in 1966) were operated by VIASA but many services even in Asia were flown by combined Dutch/Venezuelan crews.
Thus, KLM would have been the true obvious choice by the 1991 Privatising board but, sadly, political meddling meant the worse decision was taken.

VIASA was in a parlous state in the early 1980s already. It turned a profit every year since it began scheduled flights on April 1 1961 with two aircraft, namely, its own Convair 880-22M (YV-C-VIA) to New York's Idlewild airport and a rented brand new DC-8-53 (PH-DCL, sadly lost on 31 May, 1961 near Lisbon). Despite having been unnecessarily privatised in 1976, and thus become the target of gross mismanagement, it continued to produce operational profits till 1981.
For a whole decade, until its privatisation, VIASA was a loss-maker unable to sustain operations as such any longer.
It was sold out, however, to the least fit contender to take good care of it !


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7387 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

I read that some of thier DC-10's were retired to Mobile,AL . Are they still there ?


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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

Quoting Civilav (Reply 11):
There are plenty of other threads on the topic here in the Net. but, very briefly, its demise, in January 1997, had to do with these aspects

Civiav,you are an encyclopedia ,Venezuelen civil aviation should bee proud of you!!!
Saludos
Alex!!!

[Edited 2006-03-06 09:09:50]


Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 13):
Civiav,you are an encyclopedia

Alex,

Thank you so much for your kind words. I do love civil aviation and, whilst I lived in Venezuela, I did my best to keep abreast and fully informed of what was going on. I hope my contributions in this forum are balanced, objective and fair. I always seek to reflect the truth as it is or was.

Greetings from Cancún and thank you once more !

Hernán


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 13):

Civiav,you are an encyclopedia ,Venezuelen civil aviation should bee proud of you!!!

Yup, he is. I always seek CivilAv's advice when I have any question regarding Venezuela's Civil Aviation.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Some interesting VIASA advertisements from the late 70s/early 80s!

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9149/viasa6ux.jpg

  LatinPlane

[Edited 2006-03-06 19:52:32]

[Edited 2006-03-06 20:04:13]

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4566 times:



 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 17):
LatinPlane

God this is very nostalgic!!!
Alex!!!
 wave 



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineDouglasDC10 From Germany, joined Feb 2000, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

The DC-10s were taken over by Iberia after the airline was dissolved. Two are currently in Greenwood, MS and one in Opa Locka, FL in Iberia colours. One was written off in Buenos Aires in 1995. It was stored there for a long time in derelict conditions, but I don't know if something of the aircraft sill remains there. All other former VIASA DC-10s (with the exception of a former World Airways aircraft which was only leased by VIASA for three months in 1981) were scrapped.

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4479 times:



The first Latin American 747! Well, actually, the first "half" Latin American 747! The other side was Dutch. Big grin

 SmileLatinPlane


User currently offlineEDGAREN From Venezuela, joined Feb 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 13):
Civiav,you are an encyclopedia ,Venezuelen civil aviation should bee proud of you!!!

Yeap he really knows everything about venezuelan aviation, but not only that he also manages to offer well balanced and accurate insides on this matter not taking sides, something which is very hard in the current "environment" we face in Venezuela and you all know what I mean by that!!!!


User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

LatinPlane,

Thank you for posting that picture. I am afraid mine I have in Venezuela and not here with me in Cancún !!
It was taken at Schiphol in February 1972 (services with PH-BUG began in April 1972) and meant for use on the cover of 1970-1971 Shareholders Balance Report which is the document I hold.
It brought fond memories !! Thank you !

Edgaren,

Thank you too for your kind words. I truly appreciate them !
Welcome to the team of A. Netters !!

Regards from Cancún !


User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 17):
Smile LatinPlane

Beautiful pictures, all of you. When nostalgia hits hard I take out my magazines and spend a while reminiscing  crying 

The seven stars were later removed because the Spanish word for star "estrella' sounds too much like the Spanish word for crash 'estrellar'



I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2720 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 23):
When nostalgia hits hard I take out my magazines and spend a while reminiscing

Hi Lamedianaraja!
I have a bipolar nostalgia that hits me from time to time,the first is the south America nostalgia represented by AR/VA/RG/Cruzeiro/Ausral lineas aereas ect...and the second one that is much deeper is the BEY nostalgia where i use to live when kid and the golden years of MEA middle east airlnes of Lebanon,the B707 of cedarjet and PAN AM B747 .By the way i remember the logo of Viasa and Varig at the departure hall of BEY international airport
A lot of nostalgia and happiness at the same time.When it hits hard i jump in the first available flight.
Saludos desde Noruega
Alex!!!
 wave 



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
25 NumberTwelve : Wow, Latinplane, the 747pic is great - and the remarks about carrier too , so they still mention BOAC. Was the 747 an ex-SR plane? It has the big blac
26 Lamedianaranja : He's even telling you: It's dark blue btw.
27 NumberTwelve : Ok, possibility: ex SR, then Dutch / VIASA.
28 Post contains images Cedars747 : I didn't know that Viasa flew the B747.Whwre did they flew them? Saludos Alex!!!
29 Post contains links and images Lamedianaranja : Miami and New York mainly: View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Garrard View Large View MediumPhoto © Howard Chaloner
30 KL5147 : LatinPlane Great to see that pic! As a kid I lived near Amsterdam Schiphol airport and I have often seen the PH-BUG in its dual colorscheme. Unfortun
31 Post contains images Civilav : I am correcting you again....I am afraid !! In previous threads on the topic of Viasa and its 747 operations you may find my comments on how it actua
32 Post contains images USADreamliner : Well, call 1-800- IBERIA, and ask them... Thank God we kick 'em out of AR. USADreamliner
33 Lamedianaranja : No problem! I started living in Venezuela (and flying VA) exactly in '82 so that's how I remember the routes B747 flew. And as these were the only ph
34 Post contains images Latinplane : No prob, its a beautiful picture! If I go to Cancun next year, I'll have to stop by your travel agency. I'm sure I can spend many hours asking you qu
35 Civilav : Yes, Miami and Orlando saw regular service.. the other places only special flights. For example, in the summer of 1982, VIASA offered a daily DC-10 C
36 Post contains links and images Latinplane : Here's a revised version of the original map posted above. This map reflects all of the routes and destinations that VIASA flew throughout its histor
37 Post contains images Cedars747 : Wow...BEY is on the map!!!thanks LatinPlane....you deserve my respect+swiss chocolate. Saludos desde Noruega Alex!!!
38 Civilav : LatinPlane, I am sorry to say that the map is in no way encompassing all the destinations served by VIASA at one time or another. Let me,for the sake
39 EDGAREN : Why was there a flight between Maracaibo and Montego Bay, civilav?..Did it have anything to do with oil companies?...didn't know of that one and I'm
40 Civilav : Thank you for your question. I shall try to be brief in the explanation. When VIASA was formed, it gathered the traffic rights held by both, LAV and
41 Edgaren : wowwww very well detailed explanation, thanks for the info...EDGAR.
42 Cedars747 : Thanks civilav for this amazing report but do you think that a new airline of Venezuela can use the name and logo of Viasa once more like PAN AM for e
43 Post contains images Latinplane : According to what Civilav, once said, no! Because, VIASA, under its legal name, left a few outstanding debts, which implies that a new company with V
44 Post contains images Cedars747 : Thanks for your clarification! Saludos desde Noruega Alex!!!
45 Post contains images Lamedianaranja : Which ones do you mean? La torre Viasa or Parque Caiza or at Maiquetía? And do you have pictures or are you giving a ghost tour ?
46 Civilav : LatinPlane, The answer is 100% correct. VIASA left many debts unpaid all over (in fact, one of the reasons, among other more significant ones, Aserca
47 Post contains links and images Latinplane : I was talking about La Torre VIASA in downtown of course. The picture was taken a few days ago by Jose Valdivia, a chemical engineer and an aviation
48 Post contains images Lamedianaranja : The VIASA sign but also the car do suggest otherwise Venezuela starts to look like Cuba more and more... Whenever I'm in Caracas and on the highway g
49 Post contains links and images Latinplane : Corruption, greed, carelessness, ineptitude, over-ambition, splurging... we can find more words, but I think we get it. I think the story of VIASA go
50 Post contains images Latinplane : Never mind the Mystery Machine (get it?). Okay, let's pretend this is the late 70s. That is a trendy brand new mini-van on the street(?) There's a lo
51 Post contains images Cedars747 : The most important think is to learn from our mistakes.It's about time to move forward and build a new and strong airline able to represent Venezuela
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