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Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.  
User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15239 times:

From a respected inside source. Dont know what series/numbers/when though.

What about "4 engines 4 long haul"?

Cheers

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15225 times:

Really? I didn't see that coming. To replace their A343s, perhaps?

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15193 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
From a respected inside source. Dont know what series/numbers/when though.

 rotfl 

I love these 'respected inside sources' from Cabin Crew at competing airlines!
VS havent got the cash to order aircraft at present, so this is a non starter.

7L



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15127 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
VS havent got the cash to order aircraft at present

I thought they had several A-340-500/600s on order?


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15127 times:

It would not surprise me if VS ordered the A350 some time in the future but not right now.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15113 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I thought they had several A-340-500/600s on order?

Just A340-600s. About another dozen or so to be delivered between now and 2008.


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15113 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
I love these 'respected inside sources' from Cabin Crew at competing airlines!
VS havent got the cash to order aircraft at present, so this is a non starter.

Dont you just love such Know-F-Alls as this! VS are taking delivery of many a/c over the next few years and all (according to you sir), with no cash to order planes!

Just wait and see before trying to appear clever by putting someone else's input down.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15004 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 6):
Dont you just love such Know-F-Alls as this! VS are taking delivery of many a/c over the next few years and all (according to you sir), with no cash to order planes!

And all these planes were ordered several years ago! And these very planes are the reason why VS cannot order any more - because they have NO MONEY as they are still paying for the A346's!

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 6):
Just wait and see before trying to appear clever by putting someone else's input down.

Okay - will wait and see.  sarcastic 

7L



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15004 times:

Would certainly be in keeping with their plans to consider GLA and BFS from 2007- with their shorter runways- the A350 would be ideal.

User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14876 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
What about "4 engines 4 long haul"

that was/is a marketing gimmick. if they do go for the A350, itll be dropped like a hot potato. and i doubt v many ppl (with the exception of those on here!) will notice. and even if they do, i doubt itll matter one jot a few yrs down the line.


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14856 times:

Kinda strange that would just be a smack in the face to their current slogan, but you never know!

Cheers leo



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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14835 times:

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 10):
that would just be a smack in the face to their current slogan

but its just that, a slogan. i doubt VS would let it get in their way IF the A350 would help them increase profitability.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14814 times:

I'll beleive it when I see it  Smile

I think VS would be more intrested in the A340E/748  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6961 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14791 times:

If (IF!) it were to happen, might VS be the launch customer for the Trent 1700 on the A350?

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14438 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 12):
I think VS would be more intrested in the A340E/748

How many A380s do they have on order? I agree the A340E is an aircraft that VS may want later on but for an A340-300 replacement the A350 would be great and would work well with the A340-600 and A380. I would like to see VS order a twin like the 787 or A350. We will just have to wait a while.


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14320 times:

If this is so... I think VS will 'indirectly' publicly admit to the A346 order blunder. I guess the cost of fuel is eating profits. I personally believe VS ordering a long haul twin is more logical than many people think on here. VS will eat their pride up and order a large twin eventually. The A343A346 was a mistake and now they are feeling the pain for it. A savings of 5-10% on a fuel bill for an airline such as VS is a HUGE profit loss.

Conclusion... a TWIN at VS is a matter of when and not if...

Cheers,

Ric



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

Can we know a little more about this inside source? For all we know, this post could have just been put here as flamebait to see how a.nutters would respond to such a prospect.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14242 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 7):
And all these planes were ordered several years ago!

Well, just last year (IIRC jan '05) they exercised their options on 10 a346's and placed another 10 options. So technically of course it was an order from a couple of years ago, they did add aircraft just last year.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 14):
A340-300 replacement the A350 would be great and would work well with the A340-600 and A380

Agreed, I wouldn't be surprised if they were the Trent 1700 launch customer, with SRB's "buy British" attitude of late. And I suppose the a359 would be a great fuel-saver compared to the a343.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14224 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 15):
The A343A346 was a mistake and now they are feeling the pain for it.

I think that the A340 was a good aircraft for VS and that's why they ordered them. It's only in the past few years that we have seen the "twin era" take over and with both Boeing and Airbus offering the 787 and A350 it's time VS started thinking of both those aircraft but I am not saying they will not be interested in the A340E.  Smile


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5178 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14188 times:

would virgin be able to convert their A340-600s to A350 orders? Airbus is probably despirate to shift a few more A350s, particularly to a well known airline. Also with them talking about subsidising A340 operators to offset the fuel burn difference between the 777, perhaps it would be in airbus' best intrests to get Virgin to switch to the A350...?


That'll teach you
User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 584 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13978 times:
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Trying not to turn this into a Boeing vs Airbus thread. If as mentioned the A346 is not the correct plane for VS, wouldn't they want to consider ordering a replacement they could be operating before 2010? Perhaps the 773ER? Just a thought. If they are not in a rush to replace the A343 or A346 then the A350 makes sense because of their experience operating Airbus aircraft.

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13875 times:

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 20):
wouldn't they want to consider ordering a replacement they could be operating before 2010?

I don't think they are in that much of a rush but if they were they might think about the 777 again but I think they would stick to Airbus in the long term.


User currently offlineTom_EDDF From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13831 times:

I don't see how switching exisiting orders for A346 to A359 could make sense just for the sake of having a twin rather than a quad. Both aircraft are designed for fundamentally different missions playing in different market segments and are rather complementary, as much as the 777-300ER is complementary to the 777-200ER right now and to the 787-9/10 in the future. Those are not substitutes.

Some people here sound like the difference between a 773ER and the A346 is as big as between a 787 and a DC-8 in economical terms, which is not the case. There are differences, but they hardly justify dumping the A346 for most operators and this likely includes VS. My best guess is they will operate the A359 and A346 alongside each other, with the A359 replacing their aging fleet of A343s (the remaining early 257t -311s in particular) on routes that currently don't justify the A346 and won't do so in the future. Keep in mind the A346 is close to a 742, capacity-wise.

They might also be interested in getting a revised A340-600E in the future. Most likely they will choose the Trent for A350 as well, and I guess there is nothing wrong with SRB's "buy British" attitude. I don't know how and why, but I always thought VS feels much more British than BA and that's why I like them.

Cheers
T


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13792 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 17):
And I suppose the a359 would be a great fuel-saver compared to the a343.

Anything but a DC9 would be a fuel-saver compared to the A343  duck 

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 20):
Perhaps the 773ER? Just a thought.

I doubt it although that would make sense. Airbus have been taking SRB to bed too much.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13719 times:

Quoting Tom_EDDF (Reply 22):
My best guess is they will operate the A359 and A346 alongside each other, with the A359 replacing their aging fleet of A343s

That is exactly what they should do. VS want the size of the A340-600 and replacing them with A350s would be silly for such a successful airline. So in the future I can see the A340-600, A340E and A350-900 all flying together for VS.


25 Crewrest : The rumour I've heard is B773s not A350s and no A380s. The A350 is delayed according to flight because it's getting the full A380 style flightdeck and
26 HS748 : And what makes you such an expert?
27 SSTsomeday : Obviously, their previous attachment to 4 engines not withstanding, I understand that the 787 may be less desirable to VS due to: -lack of 787 product
28 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : What makes you so damn sure Im not? Anyway, I never suggested that I'm an expert? All you need to do is read tthread regarding VS orders in the past,
29 Egmcman : No none, as SRB holds the majority VS shares and they don't have history of being state owned. There are British companies that have contracts on the
30 Post contains images RJ111 : "I think VS will 'indirectly' publicly admit to the A346 order blunder." "The A343A346 was a mistake and now they are feeling the pain for it." Where
31 Iwok : Give the poster a break. At least he qualified the thread saying that it was a rumor, and is looking for more information. I just have a "feeling" th
32 Shamrock350 : I did not know they had A345's on order. I thought they were all A346's?
33 ChiGB1973 : Do you really need cash to order planes? US and NW recently did it. It's just a matter of making the monthly payment once you get them, not to pay ca
34 Gigneil : The Virgin Group along with Singapore have no problems getting money. That's crap. An A350 order would replace aging 343s with new generation aircraf
35 Post contains images Iwok : you might be right about that; my error . Still, the 359 would be a great 343 replacement.. iwok
36 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I agree. It would work so well along side the A340s and A380s. But I think it will be a while before we see an order for the A350 maybe after all the
37 TinkerBelle : What? They have 8 whalejets on order and some options so your rumor is wrong. They don't. They only have A346's on order.
38 Lightsaber : And this is probably the crux of it. A simple aircraft refresh of an airframe that is due for replacement. Nothing wrong with the A343, its just that
39 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Don't also forget that SQ owns the other 49% so their order coming up hopefully this month will say a lot. I would like to think they have some influe
40 Post contains images Kappel : Well, of course the DC9 uses a lot less fuel than a a343 per trip This would be an awesome order for Airbus, and those a343's need replacing. Also se
41 Post contains images Morvious : No they don't The A350 will replace the older A340-300's and has nothing to do with the A346. I thought Virgin has grown to a big airliner. How would
42 Timboflier215 : it would be cool to see VS operate the T7. but when they last ordered the 346, they did say they had evaluated the T7 carefully and the costs of intr
43 BoeingBus : VS dropped 773ER for more A346 to avoid ETOPS, possibly RR engines but most of all to firm their strategy of '4 engines 4 longhaul'. If they were con
44 AA1818 : I don't think it's fair to crap on 4 engine birds like that. VS went with Airbus YES because of the 4 engine thing, but at that time perhaps Airbus o
45 Gigneil : On what routes, exactly? Nothing about this paragraph makes any sense. I know what each of the words mean, but its like they're written in some code
46 TinkerBelle : Fair or not, the bottom line remains that '4 engines for long haul' also means '4 engines and you're screwed', especially if you could have done it w
47 HS748 : In that case I'll defer to your better knowledge!
48 AngelAirways : Whilst many of you are quick to rubbish this claim, (and I might have done so myself a while back) I find it quite interesting because I have heard th
49 Trex8 : yes but if you already have a number of A346s, introducing a new type, the 777, and one which would require flight crew who could not be cross qualif
50 Ikramerica : I'm not sure what all the argument is about. The 359 will be the better of the two 350s and would be a great replacement for the 343, will come with R
51 Post contains images SNATH : If VS does order the A350 (which to me make is not as far fetched as a lot of people think; it will be a great A343 replacement; not a A346 replaceme
52 DfwRevolution : More importantly, how did they "drop" them when they never had them in the first place?
53 Dalecary : Surely this would be an open competition and the 787 would be considered as well??? I would have thought that VS obviously favour Airbus, but are not
54 Gearup : What a crock of crap! I suppose that's why every airline that ordered any version of the A340 went bust and the graveyards are full of A340 iron. For
55 BoeingBus : It was my understanding that airlines who fly twins long haul require some form ETOPS training? I would imagine a route to Asia would require some fo
56 Post contains images Leskova : So - you both calling for the removal of the B744 from their fleet then? Thought not... Neither is an A340 (-300 or -600) anything close to disaster,
57 Ikramerica : Is there an A350 with 4 engines I don't know about? Before criticizing me, read my post completely. By introducing A350s to the fleet, they will have
58 Post contains images Astuteman : Great post, Trex8 It undoubtedly will. Anyone who thinks the only reason VS is hanging onto 4 engined planes is because of a SLOGAN must be a complet
59 Post contains images Leskova : I'll just reply with: same to you... Nonetheless, I agree that they should - and most likely will (if they haven't already) - stop using that slogan.
60 Sevenforeseven : Right here goes, VS are looking at ordering B777 type a/c, which model I do not know as yet. Flight crew and engineering staff have been "rumoured" to
61 Ikramerica : Okay, then let me put it this way. Don't ARGUE with me, attribute and refute opinions to me I DON'T HAVE and didn't claim, then agree with me in the
62 Scbriml : There is actually zero evidence to support the theory that SQ has had any influence over any decisions taken at VS.
63 7LBAC111 : Now thats information I can believe. And coupled with recently 'rumoured' new routes from BFS and GLA, makes a lot of sense. 7L
64 Post contains images LTU932 : Granted, the Airbus aircraft may have wings made in Britain, but you seem to be forgetting that VS operates GE engines on their 747s and CFMs on thei
65 Windshear : Exactly this reason was given for the failed 777/787 deal... Boaz.
66 PM : China Eastern. Should Boeing be aware of this before they start producing the 747-8?
67 TinkerBelle : There's no evidence that they haven't either but I'd like to think if you own 49% of anything, you'll have some kind of influence. Keep in mind that
68 PM : Well, strictly speaking, what you have said is: 1. '4 engines for long haul' also means '4 engines and you're screwed' plus 2. the is problem is part
69 CHRISBA777ER : I wrote their credit report about three months back and am in a decent position to speak with reasonable authority on VS. Yes they do hedge, but not
70 Post contains images Sevenheavy : I agree (it is difficult not to ) that the B773 is a more efficient aircraft than the A346 in many respects. However it is not nearly as simple as sa
71 CHRISBA777ER : Welcome to my RU List SevenHeavy. Very sensible post. A rare thing these days.
72 Post contains images TinkerBelle : For a teacher, that sentence definitely doesn't even make sense. There's my actual post. Wonder why you omitted the 2nd part of the sentence. Well, y
73 NA : Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 46): Fair or not, the bottom line remains that '4 engines for long haul' also means '4 engines and you're screwed', especia
74 Post contains images PM : Oh dear. This has the potential to get very silly so I'll just stand by what I wrote and leave it to others to decide whether it makes sense or not.
75 Post contains images PM : Oh, now I see it! It was a typo. OK, guilty as charged on that count.
76 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Ok, I agree, wrong choice of words. Not really. The maintenance of a quad is more than that of a twin so the fuel issue is not the only issue. The A3
77 BestWestern : Guys - give the pedantic behaviour a rest. It's even more annoying than A vs B.
78 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Guilty as charged. I meant to say; ....... '4 engines for long haul' also means '4 engines and you're screwed' only when there is a twin-engined alte
79 Post contains images PM : I know! Friends again?! (I like your signature. I hadn't heard that one before.) Anyway, I ought to say something on the topic. Yes, I think VS will
80 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Friends again It makes me laugh every time I think about it I think so too but we all know strange things can happen. In all honesty, I sure hope VS
81 Astuteman : Except that RR have GUARANTEED the maintenance costs for the 4 engines on the A345/6 to be "not more than" the equivalent twin. I don't see how any o
82 TinkerBelle : I guess the main word in that sentence is 'significant twin'. Which significant twin? The 777 which is a direct competitor of the A340 or the A320 wh
83 Post contains images PM : Which is actually two words but I think you're misquoting him. He said "equivalent" twin. The only "equivalent" twins are the 772LR and 773ER. (Here
84 CHRISBA777ER : As Astuteman states - the A346 has an awful lot going for it from VS's point of view. * RR Guaranteeing the costs of MX for its engines are going to b
85 PM : I assume the same is true for LH and IB. We will see if the same argument holds for QR...
86 TinkerBelle : LOL. It is a great aircraft and I guess something gotta give to keep it competitive with the 773ER and the guarantee is a good start.
87 TinkerBelle : You forgot SA.
88 BestWestern : The prince of spin. He talks rubbish, but people listen to him, and belive him. Remember.. its not whats said, its whats heard that is important. Chr
89 PM : True. It may well be that the A346 is particularly attractive to existing substantial Airbus operators. (Though not always - it didn't seem to cut mu
90 TinkerBelle : Absolutely right. I don't think it'll have new customers but I think we'll see add on orders with existing customers. Don't forget LH has said it's t
91 CHRISBA777ER : Thanks fella. Its "different horses for different courses" here I think.
92 CHRISBA777ER : Never flew with AC - they had two A345s. The Cathay ones were plagued with problems because they had a very small number in the fleet, some of which
93 PM : I know. What I was suggesting was that AC's substantial Airbus fleet of A320s and A330s didn't seem to help Airbus much when trying to win the big wi
94 Keesje : Yes, and extra a330's
95 PM : True but the real contest was for 10-20 777s or A340s with the promise of more to come. That Cathay opted for Boeing in spite of their big A340/A330
96 Timboflier215 : dont underestimate this part either ppl. while most of us on here like to think we know more about aviation than your 'average joe', most of those fl
97 Keesje : I don't think 773ER/A346 and A330 fall in the same category. At least not with Cathay and the other Chinese carriers that ordered lots of A330s in 20
98 TinkerBelle : I think you mis-understood him. He wasn't saying the 773ER/A346 are in the same category as the A330. What he said is Cathay has a big Airbus fleet t
99 Abba : I don't think that it is that significant. CX has been operating 777 for quite some time with the 330/340s. So the 777 isn't new in their fleet. Abba
100 Stitch : Even when fuel was cheaper, the 773ER had the advantage in that one area, no matter what. Now that fuel is much more expensive, that one advantage has
101 Post contains images PM : Of course they aren't in the same category. It was you that brought the A330 into this conversation. Correct. Also correct. With a big 777 fleet and
102 Post contains images Tifoso : If you look at Chris' post, most of the advantages are because of VS's fleet commonality, not particularly the A346 Cathay also mentioned that the wi
103 NA : I only raised it because I think that if one big Twin crashes in circumstances a Quad would have survived (i.e ETOPS related) then a big dicussion wi
104 PM : Indeed. That's why I wrote...
105 Stitch : Maybe. Maybe not. One incident is unlikely to cause a shift in the perception of the safety of twin-engined planes, mainly because the historical dat
106 PM : It wasn't "mechanical failure" as such (as far as I know) but remember the Air Transat A330 that lost both engines over the Atlantic and had to glide
107 Glom : But that failure was due to a fuel leak, which would have affected a quad as much as a twin. In fact, it may have been more likely from a mathematica
108 Trex8 : thats not true, look up the crash results in any car testing site, what is true is if the LandCruiser crashes into a smaller car the smaller car will
109 SSTsomeday : Yes, a very comprehensive and balanced analysis, sevenheavy. How is it that Airbus has this powerhouse marketing dept. that Boeing seems to lack? How
110 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Airbus has had a more efficient manufacturing system than Boeing has had, though Airbus gives better "discounts" than Boeing, they have also had bett
111 Aerofan : well i spoke to their commercial director 2 weeks ago and he did tell me that they have not ruled out a twin. According to him, the 777 is the most at
112 Post contains images SNATH : (I take it you do mean VS's commercial director, right?) I think the last chance for VS ordering the B777 was when they had to choose between the A34
113 LTU932 : I believe they used to call the previous B CEO Phil "Moronic" Condit. Here's what I heard about the previous sales team: 1. AB: Negotiations were hel
114 SSTsomeday : Very interesting. Thanks for your posts.
115 Aerofan : Yes Snath, That would be VS' director. Met him as he was flying out of JFk 2 weeks ago. Quite a knowledgeable chap. Lots of you have ignored SevenforS
116 Ikramerica : 773ER, meet VS. VS, meet 773ER. I now pronounce you man and wife. Hey that 772LR is pretty hot. That's my sister, you jerk. Sister, eh...
117 Post contains images Jacobin777 : pprune is still rumouring about VS purchasing some 777's for 747 replacements...personally, I'm taking that with a grain of salt..... however, if DJ
118 Post contains images SNATH : Oh, I saw it alright... But, as Jacobin777 also said, I'm taking these rumors with a grain of salt too. Tony
119 Aerofan : Snath, Funny that - because his comments and the directors are very similar. I guess I will have to use a very very small grain of salt
120 Post contains images TinkerBelle : I'll have to go all the way and take it with NO salt.
121 SNATH : So, Sevenforseven's post said: I do not read this as "VS are about to order the B777". I read this are "VS are considering the B777". Emphasis on "ru
122 Timboflier215 : it wouldnt be a huge surprise for VS to order boeing. but it would have to be a fairly sizeable order to offset the costs of introducing a whole new t
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