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The End Is Near For The 717  
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5051 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

From a spotters list we can see the end of the line for the Boeing 717.

The last remaining customers are of course Midwest and AirTran. The final two for Midwest are built, awaiting final inspection and delivery (N927ME / N928ME) and then the last two for AirTran are finishing this month. By the end of March they should be all done. Total Built = 156

that will be the end of a long and successful era - the 717, MD80, and DC9 were all in the same family - dating back 40 years. Also, the last of the Douglas aircraft designs.

Are there any Midwest folks on here who might know the delivery date at MKE for N928ME?

Bruce


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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5051 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8988 times:

The last one is already pictured, under construction back in January

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Photo © Michael Carter



bruce



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

How fitting that AirTran got the first one delivered and the last one delivered.

User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 8742 times:

Quoting Bruce (Thread starter):
Are there any Midwest folks on here who might know the delivery date at MKE for N928ME?

I believe it was the end of May but I'll check tomorrow at work to be sure. N927ME gets delivered this week.


User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 8686 times:

Sad to see the last of the Douglas-era jets being built. Except on RJs, I wonder if T-tail aircraft designs will ever be considered in the future?

User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting Bruce (Thread starter):
N927ME

There's a Cessna 172 Skyhawk at HPN used for flight training under the reg N297ME !


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8579 times:

I would like to know the delivery date of N928ME. I would like to go see it land. I work right across the 'I' from MKE, so it would be cool..

Does anyone know if they will allow the public to see it, or no? I doubt it, but it would be cool.


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5051 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

Sideflare, is it going to be Tuesday?

BR715, maybe we can meet up someday when i come down there to shoot some pics. I was hoping to find the date for the last one so i could shoot it. I doubt there will be any ceremony to it...its just another plane for them. it isn't even the last one built. Maybe airTran will have a ceremony for getting the very last one.

bruce



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User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

Quoting Bruce (Reply 7):
Sideflare, is it going to be Tuesday?

I'll find out tomorrow and let you know along with the estimated delivery date for N928ME.


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7928 times:

What a shame!!

The B717 was a powerful plane, just like the MD-11. I've herd pilots say that the 717 is a "pilots plane" in relation to the planes response.

Guess that's another MD planes I will never fly  Sad


KrisYYZ


User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7911 times:
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N927ME (5153) will deliver tomorrow Tuesday, with the last deliveries coming in May as it stands now, I'll have more info following tomorrows delivery.

Mike
Dacman
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User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

It's also a pitty for Long Beach. Sad, but the end an of era  Sad

Too bad for me, it's to late to see the DOUGLAS factory (scraped last year I think?)

Is there still something to see in Long Beach? I will be in Los Angeles in late May.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7787 times:

Really sad. I started working at Boeing Long Beach right after the first flight of the 717. There was a lot of hope for the aircraft. Unfortanetly things did not pan out for the 717 the way we had hoped. A peice of aviation history is coming to an end.

User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7689 times:

This is a sad time, especially with the 757 line recently being closed, and now the 717 line. Although, there will still be many flying the sky's. I mean, we will see DC9's for a long time yet plying the skys.

Now, I think that we can officially say that this is the beginning of the end for the 717.

James



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User currently offlineUpsldplaner1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

It is sad to see no more being made. I hope we see them flying as long as the DC-8, still flying for UPS. I have to say as a traveler with only one other person I always looked forward to flying a DC-9, MD80 and 717 because my mom liked the isle and I liked the window. I like how quiet they are too. Thank god for airlines like Midwest, Northwest, Alaska, American, and AeroMexico. I even have a beach towel from the Long Beach store with a MD80 on it. All you folks in LGB we really enjoy what you make and will miss it!!!!

User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7536 times:

is there ANY chance at all that maybe in 10 years or so that the 717 line could reopen agian if there was demand for it? - JW


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7426 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
is there ANY chance at all that maybe in 10 years or so that the 717 line could reopen agian if there was demand for it?

Sadly, fat chance! I believe that there are redevelopment plans (for an office park) in the works for the current facilities at Long Beach.

The only thing that one could hope for is that the so-called future successor to the 737 (797?) will feature some of the 717's attributes mixed in; maybe possibly the T-tail.

[Edited 2006-03-06 16:32:15]


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User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7387 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
is there ANY chance at all that maybe in 10 years or so that the 717

I could not see that! Do not forget that it's a pretty old design now.


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7324 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 2):
How fitting that AirTran got the first one delivered and the last one delivered.

Is the first one still flying for AirTran? After delivery, of course, it would be awesome to get a photo of the first and last 717 next to each other!


User currently offlineScoljet From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

Yes the design may be a bit old but the aircraft is more than capable and probably among the best in the 100 seater category. I love Boeing but I think they rushed to kill all the MD lines too soon. The market for 75-105 seaters is exploding and Boeing has nothing to offer. Too bad, I've flown on several 17's and they are very nice indeed. My two cents!!

User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7121 times:
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I absolutely love the 717; it's a shame it didn't live up to it's sales potential (I blame the bonehead execs at NW for a huge part of that failure). But anyways, the 717 was the first non 737/A320 that I had ever flown on; a Midwest flight a few years back (I don't recall the reg number,but my flight was only it's second flight after being delivered - it had flown from LGA to MKE to BOS and I was on the flight back to MKE from BOS). Everything about that plane seemed better than anything else I had ever been on (Those beautiful Recaro leather seats, the classical music playing in the background and the fresh baked cookies YX serves help too!). The lighting was better, the overhead bins were bigger and more thougtfully shapped and of course, the flight was so damn quiet, the 717 is without a doubt the quietest mainline/large RJ I have ever seen. I will miss the 717 a great deal, I just hope they continue to fly for many years to come. I guess I'll just need to find a ton of reasons to go to MKE, anyone know any good bars out there?!  Wink

User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
is there ANY chance at all that maybe in 10 years or so that the 717 line could reopen agian if there was demand for it? - JW

Not in the same area, the location where the 717 Production Plant is located will be torn down...

Any future Boeing aircraft will come out of Seattle....



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User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Very sad indeed!!!!!!!!! As a f/a at AirTran I suppose I'll be flying on this palne quite often. The last of the MD's That is really big. Love live McDonell-Douglas

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6809 times:
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156 sales ain't bad, guys. Comparatively:

737-600: 75 orders
A318: 67 orders (accounting for the 15 cancelled HP 318s)
E195: 29 orders as of Q4 2005

So, even though these aircraft are suited to different missions, it does appear that 717, thanks to AirTran and Midwest, will have nearly as many deliveries as its closest three competitors combined.

Not bad.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 20):
I absolutely love the 717; it's a shame it didn't live up to it's sales potential (I blame the bonehead execs at NW for a huge part of that failure).

Truth be told, there's several circumstances (I mentioned this in past threads) that had just one of them changed; maybe 717 production would still continue:

1. Had SAS (a long-time DC-9/MD-80/MD-90 operator) opted for the type instead of the much rarer-736 (they probably thought the MD-95/717 would have never seen production following the Boeing merger).

2. Had AA kept the inherited from TW 717s and continued their order. After much hagling w/Boeing over the high TW leases; Boeing did offer AA a one-for-one swap with their old F100s, but AA stupidly threw in a clause that stipulated that Boeing could not sell their F100s to a competitor (who besides US & Midway II were flying the type back then?). That clause ultimately killed the deal and, in essence, signed the death warrant of 717 production.

3a. Had other airlines (mainly legacy carrriers) opted for the type instead going RJ happy on many would-be 717 routes. I'm surprised DL (another long-time DC-9/MD-80/MD-90 operator) didn't opt for their own 717s.

3b. Had scope clauses allowed airlines to fly the type under a regional banner (as opposed to mainline).



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
25 PHLBOS : Keep in mind that the A318 suffered an early blow when AA cancelled TW's order. How many E190 orders are there? B6 put in a sizable order plus US rec
26 Lightsaber : Like it or not, there are significant weight and MX advantages to putting the engines under the wing (not to mention cabin noise). Heck, Honda's "ove
27 PillowTester : I think the saddest part about the end of the 717 is that it was truly a full size aircraft for the 100 seat market.
28 Steeler83 : Make it a tri-jet to take on a 727-esque appearance... My one friend tole me that those birds, for the time they were built, were very fuel efficient
29 Vhqpa : there were 14 in total 8 impulse aircraft and 6 ex-TWA aircraft all 8 ex-impulse aircraft are now with Qantaslink/NJS while 5 of the ex-TWA aircraft
30 Edelag : Sad to finally see the end for the MD-80 based family.
31 F9Animal : Very sad indeed. I wish the 717 was a more popular aircraft in terms of sales. I think that bird looks hella sexy. Too bad the line is going to be dar
32 Bruce : Any idea approx. time frame on Tuesday? bruce
33 Cellardoor : You may like the 717's looks, history, or flight characteristics, but as a flight attendant the plane sucks. This plane is in its third iteration and
34 PHLBOS : A stretch MD-95-50 and a shrink MD-95-10 models of the base MD-95-30 (aka 717-200) would have been eventually offered along with an optional engines
35 LMP737 : This is a configuration issue that could easily be solved by installing galley's that are common to the rest of your 717 fleet.
36 NA : Actually it comes to my mind now that I´ve never even seen a single 717. And I live in Frankfurt, not quite the backyard of aviation!
37 DAYflyer : That would be cool to see, but very unlikely.
38 Post contains images LMP737 : May I suggest for your next vacation a trip to the Hawaiian Islands. Plenty of 717's there.
39 Post contains images PHLBOS : Likewise w/ATL or MKE.
40 ATCT : I dont know the date of delivery, but when it comes to PIT, I'll snap a few shots of it. (We do Midwest's ramp service @ DL). On a side note, As one w
41 Post contains images LMP737 : Yes, but the islands are much more fun!
42 United_fan : We get a bunch of FL 717's in ROC everyday,too.
43 NorthwestEWR : I had the pleasure of flying on 5 717s lasts summer with YX on EWR - MKE - MCI - SAT - MCI - MKE - EWR and enjoyed them very much !!! The 717s are soo
44 Sideflare75 : ETA of N927ME is 1630 local Milwaukee time. Date of N928ME delivery right now is May 23rd.
45 DAYflyer : And they leave full no doubt.
46 Steeler83 : I wonder where you snam photos of these magnificent birds at. I will be coming back to Pittsburgh this Friday and I will be there for Spring Brake. P
47 Post contains images United_fan : DAyflyer,not sure on loads,but they must be doing good. Only n/s' to MCO & FLL . Maybe LAS will be added with a 73G
48 CentPIT : Take more pics in PIT please! I want to see some photos! This would great if you could. Thanks!!
49 AkjetBlue : so sad to see the 717 line closing. it's now one of my fav aircraft.
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