Bruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5059 posts, RR: 15 Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9069 times:
From a spotters list we can see the end of the line for the Boeing 717.
The last remaining customers are of course Midwest and AirTran. The final two for Midwest are built, awaiting final inspection and delivery (N927ME / N928ME) and then the last two for AirTran are finishing this month. By the end of March they should be all done. Total Built = 156
that will be the end of a long and successful era - the 717, MD80, and DC9 were all in the same family - dating back 40 years. Also, the last of the Douglas aircraft designs.
Are there any Midwest folks on here who might know the delivery date at MKE for N928ME?
Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
Bruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5059 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8544 times:
Sideflare, is it going to be Tuesday?
BR715, maybe we can meet up someday when i come down there to shoot some pics. I was hoping to find the date for the last one so i could shoot it. I doubt there will be any ceremony to it...its just another plane for them. it isn't even the last one built. Maybe airTran will have a ceremony for getting the very last one.
Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7838 times:
Really sad. I started working at Boeing Long Beach right after the first flight of the 717. There was a lot of hope for the aircraft. Unfortanetly things did not pan out for the 717 the way we had hoped. A peice of aviation history is coming to an end.
Cruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7740 times:
This is a sad time, especially with the 757 line recently being closed, and now the 717 line. Although, there will still be many flying the sky's. I mean, we will see DC9's for a long time yet plying the skys.
Now, I think that we can officially say that this is the beginning of the end for the 717.
Leahy on Per Seat Costs: "Have you seen the B-2 fly-by at almost US$1bn a copy? It has only 2 seats!"
Upsldplaner1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7674 times:
It is sad to see no more being made. I hope we see them flying as long as the DC-8, still flying for UPS. I have to say as a traveler with only one other person I always looked forward to flying a DC-9, MD80 and 717 because my mom liked the isle and I liked the window. I like how quiet they are too. Thank god for airlines like Midwest, Northwest, Alaska, American, and AeroMexico. I even have a beach towel from the Long Beach store with a MD80 on it. All you folks in LGB we really enjoy what you make and will miss it!!!!
Scoljet From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7206 times:
Yes the design may be a bit old but the aircraft is more than capable and probably among the best in the 100 seater category. I love Boeing but I think they rushed to kill all the MD lines too soon. The market for 75-105 seaters is exploding and Boeing has nothing to offer. Too bad, I've flown on several 17's and they are very nice indeed. My two cents!!
AviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7172 times:
I absolutely love the 717; it's a shame it didn't live up to it's sales potential (I blame the bonehead execs at NW for a huge part of that failure). But anyways, the 717 was the first non 737/A320 that I had ever flown on; a Midwest flight a few years back (I don't recall the reg number,but my flight was only it's second flight after being delivered - it had flown from LGA to MKE to BOS and I was on the flight back to MKE from BOS). Everything about that plane seemed better than anything else I had ever been on (Those beautiful Recaro leather seats, the classical music playing in the background and the fresh baked cookies YX serves help too!). The lighting was better, the overhead bins were bigger and more thougtfully shapped and of course, the flight was so damn quiet, the 717 is without a doubt the quietest mainline/large RJ I have ever seen. I will miss the 717 a great deal, I just hope they continue to fly for many years to come. I guess I'll just need to find a ton of reasons to go to MKE, anyone know any good bars out there?!
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6764 times:
Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 20): I absolutely love the 717; it's a shame it didn't live up to it's sales potential (I blame the bonehead execs at NW for a huge part of that failure).
Truth be told, there's several circumstances (I mentioned this in past threads) that had just one of them changed; maybe 717 production would still continue:
1. Had SAS (a long-time DC-9/MD-80/MD-90 operator) opted for the type instead of the much rarer-736 (they probably thought the MD-95/717 would have never seen production following the Boeing merger).
2. Had AA kept the inherited from TW 717s and continued their order. After much hagling w/Boeing over the high TW leases; Boeing did offer AA a one-for-one swap with their old F100s, but AA stupidly threw in a clause that stipulated that Boeing could not sell their F100s to a competitor (who besides US & Midway II were flying the type back then?). That clause ultimately killed the deal and, in essence, signed the death warrant of 717 production.
3a. Had other airlines (mainly legacy carrriers) opted for the type instead going RJ happy on many would-be 717 routes. I'm surprised DL (another long-time DC-9/MD-80/MD-90 operator) didn't opt for their own 717s.
3b. Had scope clauses allowed airlines to fly the type under a regional banner (as opposed to mainline).
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
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: Any idea approx. time frame on Tuesday? bruce
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