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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Are cameras allowed on NW? Can photographs be taken while inflight? Have friends (first time flyers) going east over Easter, and they want to take pictures

Flights will be LAN/DTW, DTW/PVD, PVD/MSP and MSP/FNT. Aircraft will be SAAB, A320 and DC-9

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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Ive used my camera multiple times DTW-CDG and AMS-SEA and have had no prob although Id keep it down if your looking to use it durning take-off and landing. .

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

I haven't had a hassle with NW and cameras. The only bottleneck will be at security......if there is a bottleneck. I also use FNT and LAN.
safe



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

Use them all the time on NW, take off landing etc.


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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
take off landing etc.

thats nice, and against the law


User currently offlineBoeing764 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

I flew on NW earlier this month from SFO-NRT-SFO and I took lots of photos out the window during the flight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/boeing764/KasimaOilDepot.jpg

I also got a flight deck photo, after we arrived at the gate in Tokyo.



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3919 times:
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Took lots of Pictures last week in my route DEN-MSP During Take off and landing and inside the plane and didn't have any troubles, you can check some of them at aviation.net
enjoy



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 4):

thats nice, and against the law

And why is it against the law?



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User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
And why is it against the law?

Probably because the camera it is an electronic device. But if it is an old mechanical camera...


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Airlines generally have no problems with you using cameras once at 10,000ft as an approved electronic device. With regards to takeoff and landing I usually wait until the FAs are seated before using mine. I figure if they don't see me use it they can't tell me not to so I'm not doing anything wrong. NW will be no different than any other carrier.


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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Quoting GBan (Reply 8):
Probably because the camera it is an electronic device. But if it is an old mechanical camera...

Why should an electronic camera cause any problems? It's not like a cell phone, which is banned because of its tendency to generate microwaves and other forms of radiation that may affect avionics systems....


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Once, on a LGW-MSP flight the Capt. came on and told about some glacier in Greenland, he said something about taking out your cameras and taking some pictures of it. Having said that, its still at the discretion of the flight crew.


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User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
Probably because the camera it is an electronic device

I do have the same reflexion.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 10):
It's not like a cell phone

That's right but cell phone are still forbiden for the whole trip! And to second my first idea, you have to switch off ANY electronic devic during landing and take off: DVD player, game boy, Walkman and so.

So the question is totaly legitime. I do personnaly think that it's forbiden and against the rules. That said, I'd used my camera in that situtation. Flying Delta in late March, I still don't know what I will do. I will love to shot ATL on landing and take off, and MCO to.

One can figure that there is a certain level of tolerance, considering the amount of picture that we could find here!


User currently offlineMich From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

I took pics from the exit row window on a united 757 during takeoff at KOA. F/A sitting in front of me said nothing. Also pics on NW showing F/A how some takeoff pics came out after dl to laptop. Used electronic canon 20d, said nothing.

This whole electronic thing under 10,000 feet though has no merit. Whens last time the FAA determined a crash to be caused by a camcorder or cell phone on take off. Where is the incident report showing a cell phone caused a plane to be off 500 feet on ILS or way points were so far off they ran out of gas.?


Millions of flight hours a year yet all the pics on a.net and videos on flight350.com and curiously no problems..


User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Well, I could understand that below certain flight levels it could be dangerous to handle electronic. It's not only a matter of wave spreading. In case of emergency, PAX must be ready to act fast regarding FA directions.

For the Cell Phone concern, it could be an issue if dozen of hungry/angry cells phone looks at the same time for radio signal. It will spread a huge quantity of radio wave at the same time. Do not forget that recent phone (3G) could send and receive at a pretty high level.


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting Mich (Reply 13):
Whens last time the FAA determined a crash to be caused by a camcorder or cell phone on take off.

Does that make it any less illegal? It is against the law that is the bottom line.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 15):
It is against the law that is the bottom line.

FCC regulation on the cell phone in flight,yes, not FAA. When the announcement is made, the terminalogy is "Federal regulations prohibit...."
which includes the FCC, too.
This was explained to me by a lead F/A on a NW trip a few months ago.

There is NO LAW on using a camera on board an airliner.
There are a lot of people including cops an airline employees that think so, but there is not.

safe



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3394 times:
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Just a guess perhaps it's just that the dont want a lot of cameras, or anything else that was hand held, flying loose in the cabin during a rough landing or worse situation.


Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5454 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 9):
I figure if they don't see me use it they can't tell me not to so I'm not doing anything wrong.

Oh OK. That makes it fine  Yeah sure

Another example where A.netters, those that SHOULD know better, deliberately break FAA regulations and tell others how to do it (and that it's ok)

We can argue for years about whether it can cause interference or not - that is irrelevant - it's an electronic device.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3368 times:
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Just a guess perhaps it's just that the dont want a lot of cameras, or anything else that was hand held, flying loose in the cabin during a rough landing or worse situation. As for laws IsItSafenow is right as far as I know. Yes, I use my digital and film cam all the time inflight and have only been told not to except in other less developed or military controled countries.


Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 18):
Oh OK. That makes it fine

Another example where A.netters, those that SHOULD know better, deliberately break FAA regulations and tell others how to do it (and that it's ok)

We can argue for years about whether it can cause interference or not - that is irrelevant - it's an electronic device.

I do know better, I know that the only reason my camera might not be allowed on take off and landing is in case it flies out of my hand and injures another pax. That's why I keep a vice like grip with the strap wraped firmly round my hand so it wouldn't go anywhere in the event of an incident even if I lost my grip.

You are a member of this forum and presumably enjoy the excellent photos on this site -some of the best of which (IMO) are those taken through the window on t/o and landing. It really isn't such a big deal. I would if asked by a crew member to put my camera away, do it but until then I'll plede ignorance.

There are many more serious regulations broken on pretty much every flight to moan about than cameras such as standing when the seatbelt sign is on. That is disobeying crew orders. Using a camera isn't until someone tells me not to.



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User currently offlineCalpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 15):
Does that make it any less illegal? It is against the law that is the bottom line.

No it is not... "d'uh"


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5454 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 20):
That is disobeying crew orders. Using a camera isn't until someone tells me not to.

Firstly, on all flights (in the US anyway), the crew tell you specifically to turn off all electronic devices - so you are clearly "disobeying crew orders".

Secondly, it doesn't matter jot even if they didn't tell you (but they do) - it's a federal regulation.

Sorry, but I really have no time for people, especially A.netters, who blatantly disobey regulations, and advise other folks that it's OK "as long as you don't get caught"

Screw the photos. Sure they're nice....so that makes it OK  Yeah sure

Jimbo



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting Calpilot (Reply 21):
No it is not... "d'uh"

check out 121.306 as well as the fact that it is illegal to disobey crew orders. Every flight has the spiel at the beginning that PED's are not to be used below 10,000 feet. That is a crew order. End of Story.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
Firstly, on all flights (in the US anyway), the crew tell you specifically to turn off all electronic devices - so you are clearly "disobeying crew orders".

yes but is a disposable camera considered an "electronic device"?


25 CIDflyer : this is taken directly from the United Airlines website, no where does it even mention cameras "Certain electronic devices may not be used on our plan
26 APFPilot1985 : unless it is an old manual wind camera then yes it is a PED.
27 Burnsie28 : Hate to break it to you, but just talked to a guy who flies some birds for NW, Camera's are not forbidden on takeoff. Only high powered older camcorde
28 Nwafflyer : I didn't mean to start a 'war' on here, and I completely agree that any loose devise during take off, landing or turbulence can become a projectile. S
29 Kovi17 : wow i didnt know that cameras werent allowed on takeoff. I was looking at the list up top posted by CIDflyer and i dont see mp3 players on the list ar
30 APFPilot1985 : Well that ends it, one pilot for NW says that it isnt a problem.
31 Bond007 : ...and actually one pilot can decide it's OK, since the FAR allows this. It would be against the recommendations of the FAA, and they might want to t
32 APFPilot1985 : this i know, however that would be only for a flight under his discretion (and I wouldn't agree with it not only because of the Electrical interferen
33 Post contains images Delta-flyer : A book can be a flying hazard, too! Seriously, though, on Delta I have been given pretty consistent answers about camera use during take-off and landi
34 Post contains links and images Gunsontheroof : You shouldn't have any problems, I was snapping away on the way to and from AMS last summer...
35 JBLUA320 : I had a Northwest flight attendant notice my digital camera when we were sitting on the ground in FAI, and she advised me to try and get some pictures
36 D L X : All electronics emit radiation, and all radiation affects other electrical systems. And it's not just microwaves that cause interference - any electr
37 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : I took this photo when I was flying LHR-JFK.........unfortunately, I was sitting right in front of an F/A (emergency exit row) and the F/A told me to
38 AvFan4ever : Exactly right. Here's the scoop about using PEDs according my EMI contacts within a large airframe OEM. A few dozen electronic devices in simultaneou
39 Bond007 : The consistent answer should be that NO electronic devices can be used during take-off/landing. There is little difference between a digital camera a
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