Avi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3816 times:
been noticing lately that DL is back with the older (but original) logo. Where their logo has the distinct point. When they went to "wavy gravy" they rounded it a bit. when did they switch back?
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3777 times:
Switched back late 2004/early 2005 I believe after much employee criticism.
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3734 times:
Quoting Belizexp (Reply 3): Your right I remember reading about it right here on A.net I heard a lot of Delta employee and Jerry wanted to save the memory of it past.
Yes. Personally, I think it looks better as well. While I may not agree with all that Gerry does, I'll agree on this front.
Now it will be interesting to see if there is a new livery post BK.
SBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3531 times:
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 2): Switched back late 2004/early 2005 I believe after much employee criticism.
Thank god, I hated the frowning widget.
You can say that again! I called it the wimpy widget. You really have to be careful with logos and branding. That has to be one of the most recognizable in the world. Even the slightest change can change opinion in the minds of customers. To me, the "new" widget's roundedness portrayed weakness. Though I assume the roundedness was meant to match up to the "wavy gravy" livery. And along with that also came the "Delta" word mark in a rather ordinary font. Of course, the previous word mark had a plain font, but in all caps with the block, "DELTA," seemed much stronger. I do hope for a new livery, though I can live with the present. My "wavy gravy" would have had the flag start narrow at the cockpit and flow back across the window line and then unfurl at the tail. It's the bald whiteness of the livery that gets me sometimes. I would also vote to bring back the winged, art deco, "Delta" word mark and a "gold crown" service mark.
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767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3505 times:
It also looks a whole lot better and professional on their aircraft. Bolder look to go with the softer and smooth tail. Judge yourself:
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3501 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 1): Dunno, but I really liked the rounded one...
You! Out of the posting! The "Limp Widget" sucked ass. It wasn't a true "delta" which is the symbolism behind the logo and the roots of the airline.
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FutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2562 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3501 times:
I think the angular logo looks better, I just wish it was more prominent on their aircraft now.
SBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3465 times:
Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 8): I think the angular logo looks better, I just wish it was more prominent on their aircraft now.
Agreed. I would like to at least see it back at the forward boarding doors. That would be my alternate wavy gravy idea. Have the flag motif come off aft of an angled widget and on back to the tail.
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Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3459 times:
I don't necessarily have a problem with the wavy gravy, but I do miss the widget. Glad it's at least back on the planes in its true form.
OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3399 times:
Quoting SBN580 (Reply 5): You can say that again! I called it the wimpy widget.
Well, sounds close, but the majority name of it was referred to as the "lazy widget." The new rounded logo was introduced in summer 2000 and wasn't a big hit with employee's. You were correct when you said branding is a very important thing. The original widget never went out of style. But our "not-so-bright" management at the time(Leo) hired a marketing firm who decided the original widget was too militaristic and wanted it changed.
Only after Jerry became CEO that, during the 2004 celebration of Delta's 75th anniversary, that he announced the "heritage widget" was returning. Delta employee's always preferred that particular widget and saw no need for it to be changed in the first place.
Antoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1509 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
I think the first plane in the Wavy livery to sport the restored widget appeared in June or July of '04.
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SBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3071 times:
Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 11): ...a marketing firm who decided the original widget was too militaristic and wanted it changed...
Yes, I can hear it, "What do people want from the widget logo?" Seriously, I suppose if you took the logo out of context, you might get some respondents in a focus group to see that. I am surprised they just did not throw out the widget shape entirely. Were they the same group that came up with the "Song" scheme? Which wasn't bad actually. Some of the colors were a bit garish to me, but it did envoke the happy, groovy, mid-60's pop feeling.
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DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8774 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3024 times:
Real Widget came back in October 2004...I remember travelling through ATL and CVG several times in November and first seeing it, but it wasn't around when I was regularly going through ATL in September...the fake one didn't cut it at all with me.
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2988 times:
Quoting SBN580 (Reply 14): Yes, I can hear it, "What do people want from the widget logo?" Seriously, I suppose if you took the logo out of context, you might get some respondents in a focus group to see that. I am surprised they just did not throw out the widget shape entirely. Were they the same group that came up with the "Song" scheme? Which wasn't bad actually. Some of the colors were a bit garish to me, but it did envoke the happy, groovy, mid-60's pop feeling.
Yes same firm, it's called Landor.
You can go to their website (www.landor.com) and see their rationale for both Wavy Gravy/Droopy Widget as well as Song.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2441 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
Amazing.
Perhaps instead of paying so much attention to a minor logo change that I can almost guarantee you the travelling public doesn't notice/care about, and focusing more on the underlying financial problems of Delta, the airline could have been in a better position today. So yes, immensely trivial.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8850 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2904 times:
At first, I didn't know what you were talking about with the "rounded" logo appearance. Then, I scrolled back to the top to look at the two different logos, and now I get the idea. And, that rounded thing... well I think one could tell what I think of it...
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SBN580 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 401 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2775 times:
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 16): Quoting SBN580 (Reply 14):
Yes, I can hear it, "What do people want from the widget logo?" Seriously, I suppose if you took the logo out of context, you might get some respondents in a focus group to see that. I am surprised they just did not throw out the widget shape entirely. Were they the same group that came up with the "Song" scheme? Which wasn't bad actually. Some of the colors were a bit garish to me, but it did envoke the happy, groovy, mid-60's pop feeling.
Yes same firm, it's called Landor.
You can go to their website (www.landor.com) and see their rationale for both Wavy Gravy/Droopy Widget as well as Song.
Ah, I had forgotten it was Landor and Associates. To me their designs range from either, "That's ok," to "You gotta be kidding me!" The only one in their portfolio that I really liked was the Candadian "Goose." Too bad it didn't last long in the skies. It was spectacular!
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DALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2370 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2717 times:
Perhaps instead of paying so much attention to a minor logo change that I can almost guarantee you the travelling public doesn't notice/care about, and focusing more on the underlying financial problems of Delta, the airline could have been in a better position today. So yes, immensely trivial.
This minor change was more for an internal effect. The change back was ment to be a message to employees that the Leo era is behind us. It took very little effort to say "From here forward don't use that stupid new logo that nobody likes." The heritage logo is only being put up when there is a new sign or paint job. There isn't a wholesale campaign to rid the company of the frowning widget.
Changing a logo is always a risk in marketing, both externally and internally. Logos are not trivial. They are a very importaint marketing tool that identifies a company.
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