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Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14778 times:

Hi Folks,

I was actually thinking about Airlines that have been going for at least 30 years including those that have disappeared after having served serveral decades

Is there actually one that has never had Boeing aircraft or almost never had any! The only one I can think of is Swissair...apart from their 747-300 they never had any other Boeing aircraft which is quite surprising since most of the airlines that have been goin on for so many years flew in years when the A vs B rivalry was B vs DC rivalry and most had at least the 727 or 737 n the short gaul fleet. Would you have an example of any other airline thatt serves since many decades or that served during many decades but never had (or almost never) Boeing A/C...regards

BM


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User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14765 times:

And then there's...

Finnair


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14755 times:

Just over the border from Swissair is Austrian. No doubt they have leased the odd Boeing or two temporarily but until their recent take-over of Lauda I don't believe they'd ever truly operated any Boeing types. No doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

In the '70s there were several "McD" airlines (KLM, for example) but almost all of these also had a fleet of 747s - the example you give (SR) is another one. So you're really looking for airlines that never flew the 747. That narrows it down somewhat!


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14755 times:

Quoting Picarus (Reply 1):
Finnair

Up until they bought 757s, that is. And that was quite a few years ago by now.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7512 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14737 times:

I don't think Mohawk ever had any Boeings in their fleet; they did have DC-3s in their fleet, however.

Allegheny (which later bought Mohawk) had a jet fleet that mostly consisted of DC-9s; although for a brief period in the early-70s and again towards the late-70s (before they became USAir), they did fly the 727.

IIRC, Ozark & Texas International never flew any Boeing types.

Southern (the one that merged with North Central to become Republic), I don't believe flew Boeings either.

DL didn't get its first Boeing jet until the 1972 merger w/Northeast; that merger introduced them to the 727.

The recently defunct Southeast Airlines never flew a Boeing type either.

And of course, there's NK. They went right from MDD to Airbii.

J7 (pre-FL merger) never flew a Boeing type either.

[Edited 2006-03-06 23:00:56]


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User currently offlineDucker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14720 times:

Except Mohawk did order (5) 727-254, but didn't take delivery. I believe they went to PSA.
Ralph


User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14720 times:

Thanks PM. I never knew Finnair acquired 757s. Must have have been a short fleet life?

User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14670 times:

Quoting Picarus (Reply 6):
Thanks PM. I never knew Finnair acquired 757s. Must have have been a short fleet life?


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14542 times:

SK was truly devoted to DC-3 to-10 a/c til they got 767s and later a bunch of 737s. A shame SK didn´t buy the MD-11.

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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3759 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14521 times:
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Air Inter, a defunct French domestic airline, never had any Boeing aicraft in its fleet. They never ordered any, they did not even acquired any second hand. Air Inter never had any US built aircraft at all.

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User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14521 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
DL didn't get its first Boeing jet until the 1972 merger w/Northeast; that merger introduced them to the 727.

Delta never merged with NW, they merged with Western Airlines.

IIRC that was in 1987. However, Delta took posession of the "Spirit of Delta" 767 in December 1982. It was a gift to Delta from their employees.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/261188_air01.html

[Edited 2006-03-07 00:10:04]

User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14504 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 10):
Delta never merged with NW, they merged with Western Airlines.

NorthEAST not NorthWEST



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14504 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
Air Inter never had any US built aircraft at all.

True, instead they had the very controversial Dassault Mercure a competitor to the 732 but whose range was so poor (700km max payload?) that a common joke said its range would never take it out of france



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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14475 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 12):
True, instead they had the very controversial Dassault Mercure a competitor to the 732 but whose range was so poor (700km max payload?) that a common joke said its range would never take it out of france

There's no need, there's nowhere else anyone sane would want to go anyway! :p


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14475 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 8):
SK was truly devoted to DC-3 to-10 a/c til they got 767s

How about their B747 fleet....


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User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14449 times:

Quoting MGA (Reply 11):
NorthEAST not NorthWEST

They bought Northeast in 1972.
They merged with Western in 1987.

Quote:
Delta purchased Northeast Airlines in 1972 to strengthen its market share in the northeastern United States. Through the purchase, Delta began its long Boeing 727 operation.

In 1987, Delta merged with Western Airlines and absorbed its large hubs at Salt Lake City and Los Angeles.

And they operated 747s in the 1970s.

Quote:
In 1970, Delta entered the "wide-body" jet era with the purchase of five Boeing 747s to service its new long-haul high density routes. However, Delta found no need for them and sold them a few years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Shuttle#Early_history

[Edited 2006-03-07 00:23:55]

User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14420 times:

The bought and merged with both. However, prior to the Northeast purchase/merger I believe PHLBOS is correct, no Boeings. The 747's showed up sometime in the 70's but I believe it was after 1972.

User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14345 times:

Quoting DualQual (Reply 16):
However, prior to the Northeast purchase/merger I believe PHLBOS is correct, no Boeings.

There's no way that Delta belongs on a list of "Old Airlines That Have Never Gone Boeing".


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14290 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
Air Inter, a defunct French domestic airline, never had any Boeing aicraft in its fleet. They never ordered any, they did not even acquired any second hand. Air Inter never had any US built aircraft at all.

That's indeed a big candidate!
They operated Mercures once!

It was absorbed in the AF group in the 90's, SN recieved A330's from them who still operate for SN Brussels Airlines.


User currently offlineQB737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14264 times:

On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3759 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14218 times:
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Quoting QB737 (Reply 19):
On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.

Nope, they never did. Neither did Interflug.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1300 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14200 times:
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Quoting QB737 (Reply 19):
On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.

Think again.




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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14132 times:

Quoting QB737 (Reply 19):
On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.



Quoting American 767 (Reply 20):
Nope, they never did

Cubana operated:

DC3
DC4
Lockheed Constellation
DC8
DC10

But no Boeings



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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14127 times:

Quoting Eksath (Reply 21):
Think again.

wasn't there an Ilushin that looked like a Dakota?  Wink


User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1964 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14119 times:

Quoting QB737 (Reply 19):
On airline comes to mind, Cubana. I don't beleive that had any American made planes.

Cubana actually ordered two Boeing 707-139s (-39 being the Boeing customer number for Cubana, but the order was not taken up because sanctions the US government put into place when Fidel Castro came to power. The airplanes were taken up by Western, then Pan American:

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As for airlines that have never flown Boeing, how about BEA, British European Airways (before they became part of British Airways)? This should not be confused with the current British European.

Some others:
MuseAir

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though they did lease an Aer Lingus 747-148 for a short while:

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25 Post contains images MD90fan : Hey bud, there was the Li-2
26 OzarkD9S : Ozark did, in fact, order 2 727-200ADV that were painted in the carrier's final livery, which was designed by Boeing for the 727's. However, Ozark wa
27 Post contains images DualQual : I'm not saying I disagree with you. I fully agree. I just felt that the statement about no Boeings prior to the NE merger was correct. C.E. Woolman I
28 Post contains links AeroWesty : I thought of them earlier, but then saw 3 747-100's are listed for Air Inter's fleet in the late 80's according to plane-spotters.net. Mistake? http:
29 NWADC9 : Independence Air CRJ-200 A319-100 Don't see any Boeings...
30 757MDE : Satena and Aires FILLERMALDITASEA
31 NWADC9 : Another: Reno Air MD-80 MD-90 MD-87 Unless you consider any MD's a Boeing now, no Boeings here.
32 PM : No, they're still there. They have seven, all leased from ILFC, and delivered between 1997 and 2002.
33 WJ : Has Sri lankan ever have boeing? All I can find are Airbuses.
34 Mexicana757 : Aero California, they have a DC 9 fleet. I dont think they have ever operated a Boeing fleet.
35 FlySSC : Air Inter never bought any boeing, but operated a B747 leased from AF during one year (March 25th 1988 to March 1989). The aircraft leased was F-BPVD
36 Post contains links and images LTU932 : LR never operated Boeings before taking delivery of their first 727s sometime in the 70's. They were using a mix of other aircraft, though I'm not sur
37 Columba : There you see the big advantage Boeing had with the 747, if you see the list of all the European airlines that were truley "devoted" to MDD in the sev
38 A319XFW : Here's another one - Interflug (not to be confused with the current Interflug travel agents or whatever they are). The old GDR airline had Russian typ
39 GARUDAROD : Sri Lankan has not done Boeing, but the prior name of Air Lanka flew a B747-200 for a while. Somewhere I have a very nice poster with the plane landin
40 NW305 : Delta did not have a Boeing aircaft until October 1970 when the 747s arrived. The 727s (100s and 200s) arrived after the takeover of Northeast Airline
41 Doona : TAP? Cheers Mats
42 FlySSC : Just like all the other airlines of the former "Eastern Europe" countries. MALEV, LOT, CSA, AEROFLOT*, never operated any Boeing or "modern" Western
43 DIJKKIJK : Air Lanka also flew the B737-200
44 RayPettit : TAP operated B707, B727 and B747! Out of interest LOT also operated the Convair Liner in the 50's and 60's. East African also leased an old British Mi
45 AirIndia : How about IC. Ever since they floated alliance as their subsidiary, they only operate 320s and 300s. lately 319s have joined the fleet. Very soon Alli
46 Andaman : Finnair has 7 x 752 = holiday division (flights from HEL to Southern Europe, Caribbean, Brasil, Boston, Miami, SE Asia etc)
47 Alessandro : Air Koryo only fly non-US planes.
48 Post contains links and images Gearup380 : My guess would be JS View Large View MediumPhoto © Red-phoenix AirPics
49 Post contains images Gearup380 : You beat me by 2 minutes.
50 FXMD11 : PG in Thailand was a long term ATR Customer until they implemented the 717 and earlier last year several 320's. PB Air is another carrier not having B
51 F4f3a : How about laker airways (original)
52 F4f3a : air atlantique has been around since 1970s i think and i dont remember them using boeings
53 Columba : Interesting photo especially the thrust reverser
54 JoKeR : JAT actually only operated western equipment (apart from IL-14's on short lease in the late 40's) - Boeing 727-200, Boeing 737-300, McDonnell Douglas
55 SABE : Austral (AU), an Argentine airline, used to have an all-MD fleet until its merger with Aerolineas Argentinas (AR). Before the MD-80's, it had BAC-1-11
56 9V-SVC : Air Lankan used to operated leased B707s from SQ and B742 leased from QF. Sri Lankan airlines operates only Airbus planes.
57 Post contains images Texan : New York Air was all DC-9s, if I remember correctly. There are tons of regionals as well, but I guess we're discounting them Texan
58 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : Nope, they had a few 737s mixed in as well. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Garrard[Edited 2006-03-07 20:28:58]
59 A319XFW : Yes, but they now have Boeing aircraft - Interflug never had any until they ceased to exist.
60 Post contains links and images Stirling : View Large View MediumPhoto © Paul Robinson
61 Post contains links and images MX757 : They had 737s also. View Large View MediumPhoto © Robert M. Campbell
62 Access-Air : WRONG!!! Swissair ordered and certainly did oeprate the Boeing 747-100 series...The first few they had were phased out and replaced with the 747-300s
63 F4f3a : How about jersey european /flybe . forgetting of course the astraeus leased 737 in flybe colours
64 Idlewild : How about Empire? Weren't their jets strictly Bac-1-11's and possibly DC-9's?
65 PanHAM : I think nobody has so far, so here we go. AUA operated 707s leased from SN in the 70s to JFK, iun Austrian c/s.
66 Jgold47 : How about no capitals, and mabyee only one !?
67 Post contains links and images Eksath : well..not quite. Sri Lankan also has Cessna Caravan float planes ,Twin Otter Float Planes and 2 Antonov 12s for Cargo View Large View Medium Photo ©
68 Da man : They were -200s, not -100s.
69 Post contains images Magyarorszag : That was two in fact. Cheers.
70 MX757 : Court Line, had BAC 1-11s and a couple of L 1011s.
71 Post contains links and images TransIsland : Actually, Cubana is operating a B733 right now, leased from Hola Airlines. View Large View MediumPhoto © Charles Falk
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