JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3062 times:
***** Ok this just in, MCO-BUR is starting on Friday June 30th:*******
This is off of the booking tool on the website, it starts on June 30th and it will just be MCO-BUR-MCO, no FLL flight as of now.:
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3041 times:
strange timing. where are they getting the 8AM plane from? Must be an overnight park. Or are they going to open up OAK-BUR?
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1): strange timing. where are they getting the 8AM plane from? Must be an overnight park. Or are they going to open up OAK-BUR?
I think you are right about this being an RON. I really don't think B6 wants any part of the BUR-OAK route given WN's massive number of flights to OAK and SJC along with UA's SFO services.
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Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5529 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2929 times:
B6 on the OAK-BUR route??? That would be the day. I would fully expect AS to fly that route than B6...and that would definitely be unlikely, although AS has done it before.
I still would like to see OAK-MCO. Any chance of that happenin'?
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3): I still would like to see OAK-MCO. Any chance of that happenin'?
I don't see why expansion out of MCO is not done, I think they could do very well on west coast routes considering no one is on routes to SAN, OAK. I realize DL offers a some weekly frequencies to SFO, but with Song being rolled back into Delta, could a presence into the Bay area be a potential winner for B6? I don't see why not. Is the service to SFO by Song going to be cut as a result of it being rolled into the Delta mainline?
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe WN is the dominant carrier at MCO, if its not them, then it must be DL. In any event, neither of those 2 offer non-stop flights to places like SAN, OAK, SJC, or even DEN. If B6 steps up to offer non-stop flights to those places they could do well.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2864 times:
Quoting B752OS (Reply 4): Is the service to SFO by Song going to be cut as a result of it being rolled into the Delta mainline?
No.
Quoting B752OS (Reply 4): Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe WN is the dominant carrier at MCO, if its not them, then it must be DL.
In terms of passengers, WN is in the lead.
Quoting B752OS (Reply 4): If B6 steps up to offer non-stop flights to those places they could do well.
Aside from OAK and SAN, the service really isn't needed. DEN is well covered with UA/F9, and SJC most likely couldn't support service (unless it was WN, but is still a stretch). The capacity to the Bay area(-ish) just isn't needed.
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2789 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2): There is already a thread discussing this
B6 To Start New Service TO... (by B6fan Mar 6 2006 in Civil Aviation)
I know I am part of that thread but that was started about thinking of this route then geared away from it and talked about othr topics so I posted there and here just to get this out there.
Make sure to check, I am in that I obviosly can see that!
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5529 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2690 times:
Of course, the lack of gate space at OAK could be a factor in slowing down B6's growth there.
AkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2574 times:
Quoting B752OS (Reply 4): I don't see why expansion out of MCO is not done, I think they could do very well on west coast routes considering no one is on routes to SAN, OAK. I realize DL offers a some weekly frequencies to SFO, but with Song being rolled back into Delta, could a presence into the Bay area be a potential winner for B6? I don't see why not. Is the service to SFO by Song going to be cut as a result of it being rolled into the Delta mainline?
DL tried SAN-MCO-SAN with an MD-90 I believe and it failed miserably, IIRC it lasted no more than 6 months.
OAK in the summers usually has about 17-18 flights from B6p; with only two gates and an avg turn time for transcons of 50 min that doesn't allow for much expansion. Should another gate become avlb i'm sure you would see more flights in OAK but until then there isn't too much likely that can be done.
If I’m correct in reading this the aircraft will be routed something like:
MCO-BUR-LAS-BUR- RON – BUR-MCO
Adding the BUR-LAS-BUR run will mean that BUR will need to have provo/catering. I believe all JFK-BUR-JFK flights in BUR are handled as turns and catered round trip in JFK. In which case that is a large undertaking for just one flight; so we may see a few new destinations from BUR.
I know little about the BUR area but someone had said that JetBlue was able to overcome a number of the hindrances for departures with less than required fuel. Anyone know anything on that? I haven’t heard much on BUR-JFK tech stops, just west bound flights to west coast cities.
Anyone in the BUR area know anything about the airports gate allocations or room for B6 expansion? If there is room could it mean we may see BUR to be the next LGB…?
None the less, pretty nifty… glad to see more connecting the dots.
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2563 times:
JetBlue started ops with gate A8. At JetBlue's request for additional gates, AA has moved from A7 over to terminal B, and Aloha discontinued service from BUR. Thus, JetBlue I do believe will keep A8, and also attain rights to A7 and A9.
JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2657 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
Very smart move . . . 'The Disney Express'
I think the flights are timed well for a morning departure from Cali and an evening departure from Florida. Let's people (Disney People that is) get a full day's work in at MCO before heading back
AkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2433 times:
Please excuse my ignorance in the operation of BUR but is BUR a slot controlled airport or restricted by pax loads as some other airports in Cali are?
WJ From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 339 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2394 times:
Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 9): AA has moved from A7 over to terminal B, and Aloha discontinued service from BUR.
AA hasn't been on the A side in BUR for years now... WN has preferential use for that gate which is not use much (probably the reason they are bulking up with some MDW flights). AQ had A8/A9 and that is what B6 has, still pleanty of room to run a good 16 flight a day operation.
Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 11): Please excuse my ignorance in the operation of BUR but is BUR a slot controlled airport or restricted by pax loads as some other airports in Cali are?
BUR is not restricted in any way other than the physical limitations of the short runways and unfavorable winds at times. There is also a soft curfew sometime over night. Not illegal to fly, just not welcomed...
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2360 times:
Quoting WJ (Reply 12): BUR is not restricted in any way other than the physical limitations of the short runways and unfavorable winds at times.
Well, they are restricted in that they can't increase gate space or improve the buildings to handle more flights, but the flight schedules aren't full yet anyway.
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B727 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 513 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
Can a A320 make the West Bound trip non-stop? Will they have to make a "tech-stop" like they have been on trans-cons?
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2301 times:
BUR to florida is 200nm shorter than BUR to NYC which should help, though if there is really bad weather in MCO, they might still have to sit down elsewhere until it lifts. On a recent IAH-PBI flight, we circled for an hour in a CO 738. Not sure if a BUR-MCO A320 with greater number of pax would have the fuel to do that.
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JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Quoting WJ (Reply 12): still pleanty of room to run a good 16 flight a day
I don't get that... how did you get 19? can one gate do one less flight a day? Doesn't make any sence. If you schedule more than 8 flights a day on one gate when you only have 2 gates you are asking for trouble.
AkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
Quoting WJ (Reply 17): I don't get that... how did you get 19? can one gate do one less flight a day? Doesn't make any sence. If you schedule more than 8 flights a day on one gate when you only have 2 gates you are asking for trouble.
not when you operate departures after 8pm, which B6 often does... norm is about 7-8 flights per gate... but each turn is 40-55 min times 12 hours (6am-6pm) you're looking at an easy 18-20 flights on two gates if you operate more than 2 flights after 7pm on a gate.. this is a bit of a pipe dream for the moment so don't expect a slew of flights so soon.
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
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