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Kenya Airways Orders 6 X B787-8  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8402 times:
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Just released now:


- Airline Places Firm Order for the Direct Purchase of Six 787-8s

NAIROBI, Kenya, March 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Kenya Airways today hosted representatives of The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA) and the media to celebrate the airline's decision to purchase six 787 Dreamliners. Kenya Airways plans to replace its current 767s with the highly efficient Dreamliners beginning with the delivery of two airplanes in 2010, and four in 2011.


Source, Boeing- http://www.boeing.com

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User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8391 times:

Fantastic! Can't wait to see the new birds in KQ colours in real life!


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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8391 times:

Just to give us an idea.



Nice to see.

Wait...is this the first 787 order for 2006?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8352 times:

Beautiful!

Congratulations to KQ and Boeing!



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

a brilliant and perfectly sensible fleet replacement decision for its relatively young B 763ER fleet.

lets hope their management partner KLM follows suit soon too  Wink


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8279 times:
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Here is a link to the full text of the News Release. Interesting days in the region with Kenya today after Yemania yesterday. It's a nice boost for both OEMs.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060307/sftu035.html?.v=48

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User currently offlineEthiopian787 From Ethiopia, joined Jan 2006, 52 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8207 times:

Congrats to KQ and Boeing!!

The links mention that delivery will be made in 2010 and I have read somewhere that Boeing has sold two years of production of the 787. What happens if Boeing decides to laundch the -10x and EK wants it before then?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8183 times:

From that angle, it doesn't look like a 767 at all! Too bad you'll never see it from that angle in person...

Delivery will be 2 in 2010 and 4 in 2011.

If Boeing is to launch the 10x, it will not EIS until 2011 no matter what EK wants, and Boeing will start another 787 assembly position and add more large freighters to handle it if the demand is there. It would take adding capacity at suppliers, so it would take until 2011 to do, but would be doable.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

Congrats to KQ and Boeing. I love KQ's young fleet.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
If Boeing is to launch the 10x

You mean 'when' Boeing launches the 787-10? You know they will.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 8):
You mean 'when' Boeing launches the 787-10? You know they will.

Actually, it isn't set in stone.

The 787-10 would likely cost a similar amount to develop as a 772ER with improvements. Both would require upgrades of existing engines, changes to the wings, etc., and the upside of doing the 772ER upgrade would be it would also apply to the 773ER and 772LR, extending the life of this family to 2018 at least. If Airbus can make improvements to the 340 line in the form of a 340NG, the same can be done for the 777.



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3028 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8101 times:

Congrats to Kenya Airways ang Boeing. I wonder if we will see these birds opening new destinations for them.

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8101 times:
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To add they have also taken 4 options as well according to their CEO so order is 6 firm and 4 options.

NAIROBI, March 7 (Reuters) -

Kenya Airways has ordered six new Boeing Co. 787-8 aircraft to replace its current 767s, the airline's chief executive said on Tuesday. "We've ordered six aircraft and signed up for an option for an additional four units," Titus Naikuni told a news conference.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Seems a rational choice. KQ will likely become Skyteams African carrier with Nairobi as a hub.

Maybe they'll will also replace 777's also with 787's in time.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8056 times:

That KQ 787 looks really hot. Can't wait to see it in AMSBig grin

Congrats to Boeing and KQ!  champagne 


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Good for KQ! Their management appears to be on the ball and the airline is getting ever better. Good to see.

But this order today and Yemenia yesterday is suggesting to me a trend.

There are (several) exceptions but it does seem that in many cases some sort of "brand loyalty" comes into play when choosing the A350 or 787.

KQ is a "Boeing" airline and they've chosen the 787.
Yemenia (IY) is an "Airbus" airline and they've chosen the A350.

Some earlier orders fit the pattern.

Icelandair (FI) is another "Boeing" airline. RAM (AT) has four A321s but they're another "Boeing" airline through and through. Ethiopian (ET) is another. LOT (LO) is another. Among the larger airlines, JAL and CO fit the bill too and, their A320s notwithstanding, so does ANA.

All have ordered the 787.

(I suppose Blue Panorama (BV) also fits the bill but they're a younger airline where it's harder to identify a clear preference and they ordered the 787 before the A350 was much more than an idea.)

On the other side (though with fewer orders to go by) TAP must be considered an "Airbus" airline. So must Finnair (at least in the sense that they have no great tradition of buying Boeing and their current narrow-body fleet is Airbus). TAM is certainly in the Airbus camp and so is QR. Eurofly (GJ) is another "safe" Airbus customer.

All have ordered the A350.

I'm not sure how far I should push this but there does appear to the suggestion that "Boeing" airlines buy the 787 and "Airbus" airlines choose the A350.

There are, of course, exceptions. NW and AC have tended to prefer Airbus in recent years but both chose the 787. Air Europa is pretty thoroughly a Boeing customer but chose the A350.

ANZ? "Boeing" for many years but with a new fleet of A320s. Air India? More "Boeing" than Airbus but hard to call. Qantas. "Boeing" through and through for years until the A330/A380 orders. KE? A big customer for both.

If there is a pattern it seems to hold good for smaller airlines rather than larger ones.

I may be imagining all this but if there's something in it, might it point to how some future sales campaigns will work out?

Potential 787/A350 customers with a history of buying Boeing. (Given as examples rather than intended to be a comprehensive list.):

Malev
Delta
BA
Avianca
KLM (though their new A330s confuse the picture somewhat)
Alitalia (strongly "Boeing" for long-haul)

Potential A350/787 customers with a history of buying Airbus. (Given as examples rather than intended to be a comprehensive list.):

Royal Jordanian
Iberia
Aer Lingus
Lufthansa (?!)
SN Brussels
Swiss (one day...)
LTU

I guess what I'm saying is that of the 787/A350 customers so far announced the "surprises" have been outnumbered by the orders where we say, "Well, that was to be expected". If that trend continues then the possible examples I give above are likely to go "as expected".

Lastly, and significantly, the "surprises" have so far been largely in Boeing's favour.


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
Maybe they'll will also replace 777's also with 787's in time.

That's waaaay in time. Their oldest 777 is a year old.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
Seems a rational choice. KQ will likely become Skyteams African carrier with Nairobi as a hub.

Absolutely right. I think KQ will feed DL well @ JNB once DL starts service there in a little bit.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8005 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
Their oldest 777 is a year old.

Moreover they ordered a fourth just last year and took an option on a fifth.

Their 777s have RR Trents. A pointer for the 787 engine order?


User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8005 times:

Congrats Boeing!

I misread the title as "orders 8x B747-8". Oh well, back to waiting  Smile


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7990 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
Absolutely right. I think KQ will feed DL well @ JNB once DL starts service there in a little bit.

TinkerBelle, would you fly out of NBO to ATL via JNB/DKR at 10300+ miles, while the clear option via AMS at 8540miles is available? Would you go from New York to Miami in order to connect to Seattle? You don't want me to wrap you with a map of the world now do you? Big grin


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7964 times:
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Way to go Boeing and Kenya

Quoting PM (Reply 14):
ANZ? "Boeing" for many years but with a new fleet of A320s

NZ have said they will stay Boeing for long haul and Airbus for short haul, but now with rumors of possible B737-700s being ordered as domestic B737 replacements, I'm not sure about short haul.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I'm not sure about short haul.

But I guess we can be pretty sure about long-haul!  Wink


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 20):
But I guess we can be pretty sure about long-haul!  

that's the long and the short of it.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

There was a rumor on this forum not too long ago where KQ's boss was quoted as saying there's an airbus order coming up. So long for thet.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7827 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I'm not sure about short haul.

But I guess we can be pretty sure about long-haul!

Yes thats a very safe bet. Smile


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 22):
There was a rumor on this forum not too long ago where KQ's boss was quoted as saying there's an airbus order coming up. So long for thet.

KQ were the only (I think) airline to order the 767-400ER. When Boeing cancelled that, KQ looked hard at the A330-200 and, I believe, were close to placing an order. In the event they went for more 767-300ERs and their 777s. That's as close as Airbus has come - or is now likely to come...


25 WINGS : congratulations to both Boeing and Kenya Airways. Yet another victory for the outstanding B787 project. I must say that this particular color scheme o
26 TinkerBelle : I probably woldn't but 80 flights out of Africa (heck, almost anywhere) are price driven. If you get a heck of a good deal on NBO-JNB-ATL, why not?
27 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Beats the hell out of ET's boring color scheme (No pun intended ET)
28 Atmx2000 : If they are around still...
29 BestWestern : The 787 is a perfect long haul aircraft for niche carriers, like KQ (and IMHO EI). Its lower capacity in comparison to the competitor allows them to p
30 Gunsontheroof : Nice to see 2006's 787/A350 campaign start off with some unanticipated orders. Cheers to everyone.
31 Atmx2000 : 2 for 2010, 4 for 2011. What is Boeing's 2011 delivery schedule like?
32 NA : Extremely ambitious. People are beginning to wonder, if the 787 (and the A350 to be fair) is rushed to the market, and the early-built 787s might soo
33 Johnny : WOW.Another blue chip... Where are BA,SQ,EK,LH,AF..? Like i mentioned yesterday - mostly smaller airlines orders. The blue chips do not trust in the p
34 WINGS : Where have you been the past year or so? They seem to be trusting more Boeing as the following majors have jumped onboard the B787. Air Canada Northw
35 BrightCedars : Guys! Why not skip the detour down to JNB and fly KQ NBO-DKR (3881 mi) and DL DKR-ATL (4347 mi) for a total 8231 mi?
36 PanAm_DC10 : I guess that ILFC & GECAS aren't, by your definition, "Blue chip" either. After all they have ordered the A350 and B787 and if I'm not mistaken, ILFC
37 Qantas744ER : Hey, Especially Kenya Airways and Ethiopian are really 2 great airlines! Great order and in a couple of years i could really see these to Magnificent
38 Johnny : @WINGS "Where have you been the past year or so? They seem to be trusting more Boeing as the following majors have jumped onboard the B787. Air Canada
39 Post contains images Ryanair737 : Excellent news! It will look fantastic. The B787-8 is a perfect aircraft for the African environment, like the B777. That is why in my opinion that KQ
40 WINGS : Hi Johnny, I suggest you don't go down this road. Take a look at he A350 orders. I can also pick some that had outside influences. What a load of non
41 FCKC : Amazing to see , during the same day both Boeing and Airbus have sold the same number of their respective products. 787 : 6 for KQ A350: 6 for IY. Rea
42 Dkny : Good news for KQ. I guess that makes them the 2nd African Airline to order it after ET. Only of ET would now get a couple of 777.
43 NA : Actually the 787 is already a bestseller. How many does Boeing have to sell to break even? 500?
44 PM : You aren't counting Morocco as African? They took some options (three?) a couple of years ago. I wonder if it'll ever happen.
45 Cruiser : Not true...The president of the Parent Company (ACE Aviation) has always wanted the 777 in the fleet, however, it has never affected the deal as you
46 Dkny : Sorry man. It makes KQ the 3rd African carrier to get the 787. I hope so.
47 Post contains links Revelation : KAL has an aerospace division. A few seconds of Googling produced this link.
48 Tigerotor77W : Congrats to Kenya and to Boeing... good to see 2006 start to rack in some orders for the -liners.
49 AF022 : Why would ET get 777s if the 787s will be arriving in a couple of years?
50 Cruiser : Wow, you learn something new everyday! James
51 Dkny : Because I love the 777!
52 Glom : Don't we all. Finally Boeing gets to selling some modern widebodies this year.
53 Sinlock : Close, It actualy was the 767-400LR but that program died with the 747-500/600 as thay were going to use the same engine. The main changes to the 400
54 PM : Sinlock, thanks. I didn't know - or couldn't remember - the details.
55 Post contains links Leelaw : SEATTLE, March 07, 2000 -- The Boeing Company today confirmed that Kenya Airways, Ltd., has ordered three enhanced Boeing 767-400ERS and two Boeing N
56 NYC777 : I guess in your book QF is not a blue chip airline. In fact they way you think, you make it sound like the 787 hasn't picked up a blue chip order!!!
57 ETFokker50 : Following in guess who's footsteps? Ethiopian
58 ETFokker50 : Hey whatever happened to KQ? About 10 or so years ago all they had was airbi (airbusses) and a few 737 (oh, ok and the Saab 340s). Now, it's all Boein
59 Kq787 : brilliant order to compliment my name
60 PM : Uh? Ten years ago they had 3 x A310, 2 x 737 and 3 x F.50. Five years ago it was 10 x 737 (in service or on order), 3 x A310 and 6 x 767 (in service
61 Post contains images Johnny : @ NYC777 No,sorry Qantas is a blue chip in my "book" Check my posts... To bring it to the point : A blue chip airline could be nearly every airline, i
62 Georgiabill : Congrats Boeing and Kenya Airways. It's nice to see more airlines selecting the 787 for their future long haul needs.
63 USAF336TFS : Excellent points PM, and I agree with you completely. And this may sound like nick-picking, but shouldn't we place AC in the Boeing camp, now that th
64 Post contains links and images Revelation : I don't know about that, but JetBlue is a true blue chip airline!
65 NorCal : Both AC and NW are huge Airbus operators (I think NW is the #3 or #4 Airbus operator in the world), it was quite a coup for Boeing to pull those airl
66 Josh12815 : I cant wait to see these birds hit the sky!
67 Flying Belgian : Nice to see KQ is follwing ET's footsteps... Now I'm curiou to know when KQ is going to fly to the USA. FB.
68 Post contains images DAYflyer : Yes, these small fry types like AC, NW, JAL, ANA, etc don't trust B at all.
69 Post contains images TinkerBelle : KQ is already going Skyteam There's nothing like a Boeing only contact....at least not on paper. Airbus raised some heat on that and it was scratched
70 RIXrat : I think the Boeing news release on the Kenyan airlines purchase is quite misleading, unless I'm mixing up nautical miles and statute miles. Here is th
71 ETFokker50 : What I actually meant is their fleet was mostly airbus aircraft. Actually, they had 6 according to airfleets.com, one of which was destroyed (?). Sorr
72 Revelation : 1 nautical mile = 1.15 mile 1 kilometer = .54 nautical mile 1 nautical mile = 1.85 kilometer
73 PM : KQ certainly had an A310 that was destroyed. It crashed into the ocean just after take-off from ABJ(?). I remember it well. But when did they ever ha
74 BoomBoom : You can go to Google and type in 8,500 nautical miles in km and it spits out 8 500 nautical miles = 15 742 kilometers.[Edited 2006-03-07 21:43:12]
75 Post contains links Crosswind : Kenya Airways have indeed operated 6 A310s in the past, but not simultaneously! They are as follows; D-AICM Leased from Condor 10/1985-05/1986 5Y-BEL
76 Post contains images YOWza : I'm assuming these 787s will end up flying for AC one day - given the pattern we've seen in the past YOWza
77 VV701 : I was totally appalled and more than a little angry when I saw the title of this thread. Could it be true I wondered? Unfortunately it appears so. Why
78 787KQ : Although there is some shareholding by the Kenyan government, Kenya Airways is a private company that borrows on commercial terms. There is no need t
79 Ikramerica : Don't you understand? Any country with poverty needs to be kept in poverty and treated as a charity case so that no business is allowed to run withou
80 787KQ : Unsubstantiated rumor has it that 1) KLM wanted to keep the transfer traffic to the US to itself and 2) the security situation needs to be improved a
81 TinkerBelle : KQ is not government owned. I do understand your point but you can say that about a lot of countries out there. Great post but I just don't think it
82 Post contains images Lehpron : Would the tag "dreamliner" eventually drop? It's not a Concorde nor a Voyager nor a Raptor.
83 PA110 : That is a very bizarre leap of (il)logic. Money to purchase the 787 no doubt came in part from the Import/Export bank, Boeing financing, and other th
84 Piercey : Rags to riches in 10 years! please bring one of their managers to the US, please? LH is still on the fence and Avianca just weathered one hell of a s
85 Omoo : I am looking forward to this.
86 Post contains images TinkerBelle : BA didn't lunch the 777. I believe they lauched some kind of engine on the T7 but not the actual T7.
87 Blsbls99 : BA did co-launch the 757 with Eastern
88 PanAm_DC10 : Hi Wings I do see your rational, though usually, in these cases, the Leasing Co is ordering for a carrier. Note ILFC have chosen RR Trent 1000s for 1
89 Jseesue : We're all touched that your heart bleeds for Kenya's suffering masses. However, these non sequitur, off-topic comments are the essence of bad comedy.
90 PM : You mean like AF and their 53 (in service or on order) 777s? Well, they weren't the first airline to order or fly the 777 (UA was) but they were amon
91 Revelation : I agree with this part of your post. The rest is a bit too political and sarcastic for my tastes. The same kind of guilt logic was found here on a.ne
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