Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5966 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9561 times:
Quoting Simpilicity (Thread starter): At present only 4 frequencies/week permitted, (does this mean using 744's) & he's stated they must have provision to do dailies to be viable, ie to get some of business market.
Where does this come from? From my reading of the Oz/US bilateral, 4 frequencies a week is the MINIMUM an airline can offer, not the MAXIMUM.
He could use his A340-600.
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1): The easiest thing to do would be to continue the A340-600 from LHR-SIN-SYD on to LAX
He cant use the Virgin name on international airline services UNLESS SQ sign off on it, (a condition of the sale of 49% of VS to SQ) hence current international services are by Pacific Blue. I would suppose he could wet lease aircraft from VS to DJ when his A380 arrive in 08. It would make sence to run two A340 in oppisit directions, daily on LHR-HKG-SYD-LAX-LHR, BUT that would take 6 aircraft, or maybe five if the timings can be made to work out.
TinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9519 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3): I think the 346 would be a great choice assuming it can do it unrestricted.
I believe if QF 744ER's can do it unrestricted, the A346 shouldn't have a problem. It would be nice to see the 744, AC's 777 and the A346 leave around the same time. On such a long route, the A346 sure would add 1-2 hours to the travel time compared to the 744 and the T7.
No way. Take for example the LHR-JNB route. BA and SA 744's fly in exactly an hour less that VS A343's and A46's. Heck, when VS send their 744 to JNB during the summer, flight time is an hour less than the A340.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21715 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9431 times:
If they did an around the world routing, then it would actually free up the planes to arrive depart at better hours, theoretically, since the 346 going in one direction is independent of the 346 flying the other direction.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Simpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9418 times:
Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 7): No way. Take for example the LHR-JNB route. BA and SA 744's fly in exactly an hour less that VS A343's and A46's. Heck, when VS send their 744 to JNB during the summer, flight time is an hour less than the A340.
r u talking timetabled or actual?
We all know timetables are padded, so aircraft can depart late & still arrrive on time or early.
Don't think slight time difference would mak a difference to pax if they know they were on a relatively new aircraft. Most VS fitouts r quite good I believe, unilke the awful UA product at present across the Pacific to OZ.
Qantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1317 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9200 times:
Hey regarding the eingine issue with QF,UA and VS
UA has 747-400 using PW4056 rated at 60,000 Lbs thrust per engine. 875,000 Lbs MTOW
QF had 747-400 using RR211-524GH rated at 58,000 Lbs thrust per engine 877,000 Lbs MTOW
QF has 747-400 with GE CF-6 eingines rated at 59,000 Lbs per engine. 875,000 Lbs MTOW
QF has 747-400ER with GE CF-6 BF5 rated at 62,000 Lbs per eingine 908,000 Lbs MTOW
VS has 747-400 with GE CF-6 rated at 59,000 Lbs per eingine but only 817,000 Lbs MTOW because they chose not to buy the maximum weight option.
This means that to have an MTOW of 877,000 they just need to buy the certificate from boeing for a cuple of million and the plane is then certified for 877,000 Lbs MTOW but no changes on the actual aircraft are made.
Concorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1231 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9181 times:
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 2): He cant use the Virgin name on international airline services UNLESS SQ sign off on it
Is that for all Virgin Atlantic services? For example as reported today in some papers that VS are looking at flights to Pakistan, would SQ have to give the nod, even though they are minority stake holder (although a large minority of 49% if that makes sense !)
Vhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9056 times:
Im assuming it will start of with a few 744's leased from VS then if all goes well maybe A380's somewhere down the track. I'd almost positive the service to be comparable to VS. maybe they can use the "Pacific Blue" brand. I'd say SYD-SFO would be a good route to start off with as passengers can connect with Virgin America (Providing it actully happens) at SFO or even on VS to LHR so Virgin can offer either SYD-HKG-LHR or SYD-SFO-LHR to passengers traveling between Australia and the UK.
"There you go ladies and gentleman we're through Mach 1 the speed of sound no bumps no bangs... CONCORDE"
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1345 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8890 times:
Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 17): maybe they can use the "Pacific Blue" brand. I'd say SYD-SFO would be a good route to start off with as passengers can connect with Virgin America (Providing it actully happens) at SFO or even on VS to LHR
thatd be cool for SFO, IF IF IF this all happes - virgin atlantic, virgin america AND pacific blue!!!!!!!!!! (or whatever airline this route will be run under!)
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1345 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8599 times:
Quoting 747400F (Reply 21): What's to stop VS just extend their LHR-LAX service to SYD? Why create a whole new airline?
erm, AFAIK, QF did not want SQ operating the route partly because it had no territorial reasons to (ie LAX and SYD are not part of Singapore) and partly because it would offer QF stiff competition. i dont think QF would have the same reservations with pacific blue, or similar company, but may do with VS.
: The difference in Mach number between the 744 and the A346 is no more than 3% (0.855 vs 0.83). Unless I'm missing something, on a (approx) 14 hour fl
: Where do u live on the moon? Sounds like you haven't flown DJ at all or at least recently? DJ is becoming more like QF everyday, with lounges, econom
: Few things. It can't be Branson's airline in terms of majority ownership. He's been humiliated at Virgin Blue already by Corrigan, who has brushed all
: I never talked about the cruise speed or anything like that. I think the 346 would be a great choice. Don't attribute quotes to the wrong person. Be
: Why can't Branson do a DJ? He buttered up OZ politicians, put a few million in (I think it was AUD$10 Million) to start DJ & then a few years down th
: this is going to be a VERY interesting and entertaining fight!! airlines fighting it our and SRB trying to stick his nose in everywhere! brilliant! i
: Yes, I apologise. LHR-HKG-SYD-LAX is what I ment. They could also do LHR-LAX-SYD.