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A300/310 Line To Close Down Next Year?  
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

skyliner-aviation reports Airbus is closing the A300/310 production line as early as August next year.

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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

And as a related question, which might be relevant for an eventual closure of the production line:

How difficult would it be for Airbus Industries to convert a "used" A300 into a Beluga compared to modifying it already on the production line?



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8571 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):
How difficult would it be for Airbus Industries to convert a "used" A300 into a Beluga compared to modifying it already on the production line?

Extremely, I would guess. Its pretty much a different aircraft, the nose is different, the wings sit higher etc


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

If SAT would need additional Belugas these would rather be based on a A330 or A340 than the A300.
There were pictures of a Beluga A340 it was planned to transport parts of the Arianne V but was dropped.
Sad to see the A300/A310 go but there weren�t much sales lately except for the few freighters. The closure of the A300 line could also mean the launch of the A330-200 freighter.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

Quoting NA (Thread starter):
skyliner-aviation reports Airbus is closing the A300/310 production line as early as August next year.

This may be the case if the A300F does not attractsome more orders in the mean time. Fed Ex still hold some recentoptions for the A300. They may eventually choose to convert them intothe A330F if launched.

Either way its always sad to say goodbye. Especially recently with the B717,B757 and soon the A300/A310.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

All:

I thought I just read somewhere in a magazine that Airbus was discussing the viability of keeping the 300/310 lines open for a while longer?

Don't know if I was dreaming it or not, and I cannot think of WHY they would do so.. but I thought I'd throw that out to the group...

1011yyz



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

I suspect that they will think about it again once existing orders are completed.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

I don´t think so. I f they decided to close it down its not so easy to open it up again. Surely it would be easier for Airbus to start building A300s again, if someone suddenly wants 50 of them, than it would be for Boeing to give the 757 a restart, as the A300 has many parts in common with the A330. But once the place is taken by other aircraft, and suppliers contracts terminated, its hardly thinkable that this will be reversed. The A300/310 has seen no serious update since the -600 series in the mid-80s, so its old technology.

User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

According to a press release from Airbus today, the assembly line of the A300/A310 will be closed in July 2007, at a total of 821 units.

User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 259 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8204 times:
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Confirmed by internal memo.

They just need more resources (and room?  Smile) for the other programs so it is justified.

There is a plan to support it (widebody A/C) and make it viable until 2050.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

Quoting Breiz (Reply 8):
According to a press release from Airbus today, the assembly line of the A300/A310 will be closed in July 2007, at a total of 821 units.

And what if more aircraft are ordered ?



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 7):
A300 has many parts in common with the A330.

Such as?

Quoting Breiz (Reply 8):
According to a press release from Airbus today, the assembly line of the A300/A310 will be closed in July 2007, at a total of 821 units.

So this seems to be oficial. Its going to be said to say goodbye to this old girl.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

Quoting Breiz (Reply 8):
According to a press release from Airbus today, the assembly line of the A300/A310 will be closed in July 2007, at a total of 821 units.

Last MSN will be MSN 878 to FedEx.

Goodbye A300!


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

Does anyone who will be taking the last A300F on order? Maybe Fed Ex ?

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 11):
Quoting NA (Reply 7):A300 has many parts in common with the A330.
Such as?

Fuselage parts, windows, doors, whole nose area to begin with. I guess, part of the tail is also identical.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 12):

Last MSN will be MSN 878 to FedEx.

Goodbye A300!

Thanks A319XFW,
Looks like you were able to awnser my question before I got around to posting it.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8152 times:
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Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
The closure of the A300 line could also mean the launch of the A330-200 freighter.

Why I would love to see this, is Airbus ready to put in a stronger floor in the A332? Personally, I think it would make an excellent freighter.

Quoting NA (Reply 7):
I don´t think so. I f they decided to close it down its not so easy to open it up again.

 checkmark  Many of the parts require an 18 month lead time. Not to mention keeping the plant ready to run costs good money. Too much to consider. By August a large number of jigs and stands will have already been cut up and scrapped. In the US, such items can often only be fully depreciated for taxes when scapped so there is an incentive to get it out the door as fast as possible.

While a good design, the A300 is an older design and thus it is time to bid it farewell. With the transfer of the UPS A300 order to the A380... Its most likely too late to save the line. Also, far too many 742's, 767's, DC-10's, and older A300's are parked and ready for freighter conversion. That alone will kill a production line dependent on freighter orders.

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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8109 times:

Why are Fedex so interested in these older generation aircraft, they seem to snap them up new and used whenever they can get their hands on them.

Are the A300/A310, DC-10 and MD-11 that much better for cargo than other aircraft?


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
Are the A300/A310, DC-10 and MD-11 that much better for cargo than other aircraft?

Dunno, but those cargo boys sure like the older a/c.
Look at DHL and UPS still opping DC-8s  crazy 



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8047 times:
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Looks like it's official now!

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre.../07_03_06_A300_final_assembly.html

Quote:
In response to market demand for its newer aircraft ranges Airbus will progressively phase out the A300/A310 final assembly. This follows more than 35 years of successful marketing and production of Airbus' original aircraft programme. The last A300-600 aircraft on order will be handed over in July 2007.

"It is in Airbus' best business interest to optimise the use of its resources at this time. We are implementing a major production ramp-up across our business as the A300/A310 programme nears completion. This is in response to growing demand from our customers for the newer Airbus products like the A321, the A330/A340 family and the new A350 aircraft, that cover or even go beyond the market segment of our original aircraft programme," Airbus President and CEO Gustav Humbert said.

"The A300/A310 programme launched the Airbus success story and with a total of 821 orders it has surpassed all commercial expectations. The spirit behind the A300/ 310 continues into the 21st century, most recently with the A380 and the A350 programmes," Mr. Humbert said. "I wish to express my sincere thanks and gratitude to all customers and all Airbus employees who have participated over the years in designing, developing, marketing and building these exceptional aircraft."

During the last two years, around 150 Airbus employees produced about one aircraft a month on the A300/A310 final assembly line. All employees involved in the A300/A310 production will be offered new positions in other current or future programmes. Airbus is currently undergoing a ramp-up phase with significant internal demand for this skilled and experienced workforce. It is expected that deliveries of Airbus aircraft will surpass 400 in 2006, up from 378 in 2005.

The A300, launched in May 1969 and entering service with Air France in May 1974, was the very first wide-body twin ever brought to the market, setting totally new standards in the industry. With the A310, launched in July 1978 and entering service in April 1983 with Lufthansa and Swissair, Airbus again set new standards with the first two-man cockpit on a wide-body, introducing digital technology and cathode ray tube (CRT) displays for the first time. These technological advances enabled Airbus to establish its credibility as a reliable manufacturer with a vision of the future, setting the foundation for its current success.

The A300/A310 programme has achieved a total of 821 orders. 802 aircraft have been delivered until the end of January 2006. The order backlog comprises A300 freighter aircraft to be delivered to Federal Express (FedEx), United Parcel Service (UPS) and Galaxy Airlines. Airbus plans to offer new freighter versions of current aircraft when the A300/A310 programme will be completed.

To date, there are more than 650 A300s and A310s in service with about 80 operators worldwide. It is expected that the A300s and A310s will continue their operational life for many years with half of the fleet expected to still be in operation beyond 2025. Airbus' "Long term fleet support programme" will support their operability until the very last aircraft is retired from service.

Airbus is an EADS joint company with BAE Systems.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...A300+and+A310+production+line.html

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7867 times:
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Quoting Scbriml (Reply 19):
Airbus plans to offer new freighter versions of current aircraft when the A300/A310 programme will be completed.

First, thanks for the PR. Second, I have no doubt Airbus will develop more freighters.

Now for the speculation. What will the line be used for? I expect the A350 on the A330/340 line... Could airbus open another A320 line?  hyper  That would be my bet. Think about it, delivery slots in 2008 and 2009 are going to be precious for single isle aircraft...  scratchching 

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
Why are Fedex so interested in these older generation aircraft, they seem to snap them up new and used whenever they can get their hands on them.

Are the A300/A310, DC-10 and MD-11 that much better for cargo than other aircraft?

What newly build freighters do you know that are available right now, only 767F, 747F and A300-600F come to my mind.



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7808 times:

it is high this line closes!!!the A300 has become so outdated!!!


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 22):
What newly build freighters do you know that are available right now, only 767F, 747F and A300-600F come to my mind.

The EIS of the 777F is scheduled for the 4th quarter of 2008, not too far off at this point.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q2/nr_050524g.html


25 Post contains images Capital146 : A risky financial venture in the late 1960's has ultimately resulted in a 33 year production run for Airbus's very first product. That's no mean feat
26 FlyKev : So long A300/A310, its been open a long time. Curiously, anyone know when the last passenger A300/A310 was built?
27 Lightsaber : True. Incredibly well done. I think only the 747 has been in production longer for any Western commercial jet airliner. So for a 1st attempt, Airbus
28 Post contains images A319XFW : At a guess - the people from the line to other programmes (A350, A380 etc) the small engineering team to other programmes and the cabin equippers to
29 Post contains links and images Keesje : First A300 I flew. View Large View MediumPhoto © Rick Skoroszewski
30 Jonathan-l : Last A300 pax was for JAS in 2002, last A310 was for Uzbekistan in 1998.
31 A342 : I believe the tankers for the RAF will also fulfill the transport role, with cargo doors/floors. So no doubt they´re ready. And of course the A380F
32 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : You will be missed!
33 Starlionblue : Well. they have a pretty good cross section. The 767 is too narrow for many applications and the 747 is too large for others. As mentioned, they are
34 Trex8 : A332F must be in the cards, but will it be a straight up A332 or an A332 with some A350 tech, engines maybe??
35 ScottB : Perhaps for widebodies, but clearly the 737 in its various generations has been in production longer than either the A300 or the 747.
36 DC10GUY : The rumour here at Fedex is Airbus will offer Fedex a closing the line sale on a bunch more A300-600fs. They are the most economical/reliable aircraft
37 Centrair : What will the line be used for? Get to see an A300 once in a while at NGO thanks to China Eastern. Well that is another plane going to be missed. This
38 DC10GUY : Fedex has 6 firm oders for New a300's coming right now, The first one of those coming on line in April 07.
39 Post contains images TheSonntag : So FedEx will get the last ever built A300. FedEx already got the last-ever built B727. So they like being "last" customer
40 Post contains links Stitch : In this thread from a few days back - RE: Airbus A300-800 Or How To Compete With The 783? (by Astuteman Mar 2 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2635702 - we w
41 Post contains images OyKIE : I would really like to see a modified A380 take over much of the Beluga traffic and maybe make it so huge it could ferry A380 fuselage. With a swing
42 Jeffry747 : How many A300's does UPS have left to be delivered? I know they were going to order an extra 60 or so, but they switched that order to the A380.
43 Jonathan-l : There are 4 left for UPS.
44 Alessandro : What happened to the Iraqi Airways order for the A310? Was it cancelled?
45 TrevD : Not the best time for this to be happening. Here's why and I think it's an interesting development: If the last airplane will be number 821, does that
46 Breiz : No, it is still in the books. Looks like Airbus will have to pay back the deposits or convice Iraqi airways to buy something else in the catalogue.
47 Joost : They are mostly cheaper to buy. Many (but certainly not all!) of the freight airlines operating old aircraft only use their planes for 4-6 hours per
48 Georgiabill : Just curious how big of a backlog is there on the A300/A310 line? Are they still building new build A300/A310'S? If so what is the production rate? Sh
49 Scbriml : The A310 is already dead - in theory Iraqi Airways has an order for 5 still outstanding, but there's more chance of me being elected Pope than those
50 474218 : Unless something has changed since I left Brize Norton, 4 years ago. The RAF A330's will not have cargo doors and will be convertible between RAF tan
51 Post contains images Lightsaber : You are right... oops! Lightsaber
52 Trex8 : neither RAF or RAAF A330s will have main deck cargo. interesting article in this weeks AWST on RAAFs reasons for getting the A332 vs the 767. 1. A332
53 474218 : Thanks Trex8, that just what I remembered. I have always thought they will be extremely limited in the amount of fuel that an transfer (or the range/
54 Art : I was wondering about this, too, but had no idea of the numbers concerned. I think this announcement heralds problems - either Airbus takes a hit fin
55 A300 : I will always love the A300, as obvious by username. It was the very first plane I ever flew on. It was the first major aircraft to challenge the Amer
56 Post contains links and images Keesje : Airbus painted an A300 in the original orange and white Airbus house colours of the world’s first widebody twinjet design on its maiden flight in Oc
57 Columba : Too bad if you remember your heritage too late and don�t preserve it fast enough. But good to see a A300 in the old colors again, although it is
58 MEA-707 : Indeed, a good first step by Airbus but I wish they thought about that earlier and didn't scrap frame 1 or 2 (the ex TEA one which rotted away in Brus
59 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : I'm actually flying an A310-300 in three weeks' time. Looking forward to it !!! UTA
60 Breiz : Better late than never! We had been many asking Airbus to preserve the prototype. Airbus was then in a fighting phase to establish itself and startin
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