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AC Responds To DL With SLC Service; SAN Is Back  
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

Gee, what a surprise. Now AC announces YYZ-SLC service the day after DL did. Plus, YYZ-SAN returns.

http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/060307/e_aircan_expandusserv.html?.v=1


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8910 times:

Good news!

I love San Diego (gotta love the weather there), can't wait to fly it!


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8878 times:

It's nice to see AC coming back to San Diego service from YYZ. Also its nice to see a new city added from YYZ to SLC. I remember driving from LAX to SAN long time ago and we stayed there for several days. It was a lovely city to visit. I remember going to San Diego Seaworld too.

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8845 times:

Yipee!!! The one route at AC we've all been waiting to be reinstated. Only downfall, it's not on the former schedule which gave the crew a 34 hour layover there. Nonetheless--great news!!


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

Yesterday some of you AC fans said SLC would never be a market AC would look at since it lacks very many Star Alliance connections to the West Coast. But it appears Bob Milton has an ego on par with Jerry Grinstein, and now AC and DL are going head on over SLC service:
[http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi?rkey=1403074950&view=13213-0&Start=0] AC News Release [/url]
Why not code share outside of Star Alliance and SkyTeam? Alaska does it with DL in SLC, why not AC?
Perhaps AC is looking to lure some of SLC's people to YYZ for the wide range of connectins to Europe as an alternative to DL's network at NYC-JFK



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

I doubt SLC-YYZ will last past the end of summer.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

Do you really want to fly on a CRJ for 4.30 hrs? An MD90 is not exactly a plush aircraft but I'd take it in a heartbeat... and AC put their times within an hour or two of DL's.

User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8796 times:
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Excellent to have Air Canada back in SAN this summer after a break of a couple years. Anyone know if Westjet will return too?

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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8780 times:

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Thread starter):
Plus, YYZ-SAN returns

Great to see AC back on the YYZ-SAN route  Smile

That means easy connections for me from Europe into SAN via Canada  Smile

Flights will be daily A319, it seems it will stay year round aswell  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8780 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
I doubt SLC-YYZ will last past the end of summer.

Who knows. It might be Bob Milton's way of forcing an out of alliance code-share with DL similar to the one DL has with Alaska at SLC. Keep in mind DC/SkyWest serves west coast connections they don't always hit very well with UEX/SkyWest out of DEN.

[Edited 2006-03-07 23:35:58]


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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8752 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 3):
Yipee!!! The one route at AC we've all been waiting to be reinstated. Only downfall, it's not on the former schedule which gave the crew a 34 hour layover there. Nonetheless--great news!!

A 34-hour layover? I guess that's why they dropped it!


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Can AC sell tickets from USA cities to Europe/Asia? Why would one want to? You'd have to clear customs/immigration in Canada and your European/Asian destination. Or does Air Canada have sterile (meaning no access outside the gate areas) for transfer pasengers??

User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 6):
Do you really want to fly on a CRJ for 4.30 hrs? An MD90 is not exactly a plush aircraft but I'd take it in a heartbeat... and AC put their times within an hour or two of DL's.

The CRJ-705 has 34 inches of legroom in economy, no middle seat and IFE for every passenger. It's brand new, with leather seats. It's no CRJ-200, and it's more comfortable than any other airline's CRJ-700 or CRJ-900. I think it can give a ratty old MD90 a run, and considering most passengers will originate in Canada, AC brings its FF program into play.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11):
Can AC sell tickets from USA cities to Europe/Asia? Why would one want to? You'd have to clear customs/immigration in Canada and your European/Asian destination. Or does Air Canada have sterile (meaning no access outside the gate areas) for transfer pasengers??

There is sterile transfer, unlike the US, IIRC. In addition, you get to pre-clear when flying back to the US, making it even easier. And of course AC can sell USA-Europe/Asia. Why wouldn't they be able to?



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8717 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11):
Can AC sell tickets from USA cities to Europe/Asia? Why would one want to? You'd have to clear customs/immigration in Canada and your European/Asian destination. Or does Air Canada have sterile (meaning no access outside the gate areas) for transfer pasengers??

Canada does not have sterile transit clearance yet, though it will be in place by early 2007 at YYZ. However, baggage will be ticketed right through to final destination. Secondly, AC can sell sixth freedom fares in the US market, and it does. Eastbound, it can offer a very good connection to most European points, plus Tel Aviv and Delhi. With a 75-seat flight once a day, even a handful of sixth freedom passengers will make a significant difference


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

I think AC will do well with SLC year round. Who knows if the route does well maybe few months later AC might offer SLC to YYC and or YVR. What do you think?

User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
Great to see AC back on the YYZ-SAN route

That means easy connections for me from Europe into SAN via Canada

The SAN-YYZ flight gets in pretty late. (around 1940) Not much connex opps for Europe. maybe a late YYZ-LHR flight?


User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8543 times:

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 16):
The SAN-YYZ flight gets in pretty late. (around 1940) Not much connex opps for Europe. maybe a late YYZ-LHR flight?

Definitly can connect to an LHR flight, TLV also. In the summer there's a late FRA flight that would work. ZRH, CDG, and FCO won't connect with this flight. I expect that AC will get the majority of their feed from points east of YYZ where this will work well.

[Edited 2006-03-08 00:38:31]

User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8507 times:

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Thread starter):
Gee, what a surprise. Now AC announces YYZ-SLC service the day after DL did. Plus, YYZ-SAN returns.

http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/060307/e_ai...?.v=1

About how long does it take to plan a route before the annoucment of the route?
I would think AC would have had this is the work for a while.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8480 times:

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 18):
About how long does it take to plan a route before the annoucment of the route?

As long as it takes people in the PR department to write the PR. Given no government restrictions (which there aren't in this case), everything else can be worked out later.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
Who knows. It might be Bob Milton's way of forcing an out of alliance code-share with DL

I don't know why you think this. It isn't.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4521 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8463 times:

AC in SLC???

I never thought I'd see it happen. This news just made my day! I hope the route does well!


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8463 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 9):
Who knows. It might be Bob Milton's way of forcing an out of alliance code-share with DL similar to the one DL has with Alaska at SLC. Keep in mind DC/SkyWest serves west coast connections they don't always hit very well with UEX/SkyWest out of DEN.

Star Alliance has the west coast served very well AC flies to SEA & PDX already. UA out of SEA covers the small pacific northwest markets, everything else can be done through LAX and SEA. So codesharing AC/DL from SLC to the west coast would bring nothing new to Air Canada. Everything that DL has from SLC UA has from LAX/SFO/DEN, and now USAirways as well from LAS and PHX. Star Alliance has the west coast covered better than any other alliance i'd say.

'902



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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

OK..this is funny...really

Why would AC codeshare with DL..only to make their single CRJ flight from YYZ to SLC work....(with low yields too...) come on..bunch of non sense


User currently offlineMyOthrCarsA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

I'd like to see AC reinstate their short-lived YYZ-AUS route - the performance was terrible on it but of course it would be when they were operating with an A319 - maybe something that could be done with one of the new Embraers...

User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Thread starter):
Gee, what a surprise. Now AC announces YYZ-SLC service the day after DL did.

And just yesterday I was thinking "wow, I guess DL wants to get it's announcement out before AC enters the market." With all the new Embraer's and RJ705's AC is getting or now has there are going to be quite a few announcements like this. AC has been planning further US expansion for a while now.

Quoting MyOthrCarsA777 (Reply 23):
I'd like to see AC reinstate their short-lived YYZ-AUS route - the performance was terrible on it but of course it would be when they were operating with an A319 - maybe something that could be done with one of the new Embraers...



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25 Aloha717200 : I have to be honest though, I don't see why anyone would fly AC SLC-YYZ on a CR7 versus flying in a nice MD-90 on the same route. AC would have been b
26 SLCUT2777 : DL defends their fortress hubs quite well. Word has it they will upgrade the SLC-YVR route to 738 and possibly 752 service, and SLC-YYC will also go
27 N1120A : The CR705 is an entirely different monster. Of course they can, and they often offer very good fares. Might be because they aren't flying a CR7. The
28 Post contains images Lehpron : uh...pardon my ignorance, but how can carriers have more than one, wouldn't that be unfair to other carriers?
29 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : SLC is becoming Delta's western version of ATL
30 AussieItaliano : I often fly AC when travelling to Europe and Asia. From SFO, connections usually go through YYZ or YUL to Europe, and YVR to Asia. All three airports
31 San747 : Wow... This has been a very happy day for us SAN people- AC is returning the A319 to YYZ, and DL is restarting JFK service!
32 RP TPA : On a semi-related note, does anyone know when AC will move their YYZ transborder ops to the new terminal? A large number of their international flight
33 MalpensaSFO : The new YYZ-SLC service is one of the most inane ideas that flimsy Air Canada has come up with over the past few years. If Air Canada wanted SLC, why
34 Sebring : The amalgamation of transborder into Terminal 1 occurs early next year. February, I believe.
35 9252fly : Good question. YYC and YVR would offer good connections to the AC network,even though YYZ has the most connection possibilities,especially internatio
36 WesternA318 : Ratty and old? Come on now, the plane is only 15 years old! I'd rather be on a -90 *except for DL* than on some CRJ *me being 6'3" comes to play on t
37 Aloha717200 : Ah, I had no idea, that does sound a bit better. This raises additional curiousity...the international area at SLC is in Concourse D...but as far as
38 WesternA318 : I think, they'll park them on E1 perhaps, since it is also connected to the Int'l area?
39 MAH4546 : As flights to Toronto pre-clear, they arrive and depart as domestic flights, so it won't be an issue.
40 Aloha717200 : Possibly, but those are Skywest's gates, you sure AC could get use of them?
41 WesternA318 : They are Skywest, but I think the SL Dept of Airports owns them, and if a carrier needs them, why not use them? D2 is connected to Intl, and is a DL g
42 Post contains images Slcdeltarumd11 : All of this new SLC serivce make me happy
43 WesternA318 : Me too SLCdelta, me too...
44 Lehpron : How would I know that dude, I'm not familiar with airline hubs. But ultimately, if there are airlines that have so/too many hubs, could they be consi
45 SLCUT2777 : DL has had the corner on that market for a long time, and it would be a suicide run for AC to try and break into the SLC market with such flights, un
46 Tornado82 : Legroom/IFE aside, a CRJ-7/900 is still the same cross-section of the fuselage, still a "head-banger" if you're taller, no overhead space, and still
47 LongHauler : I think there is a very good chance that you will see the EMB190 on the route. It is like last summer when AC originally scheduled the CRJ705 on the Y
48 ERJ170 : Oh.. I'm hoping for the return of RDU-YOW (ex-Canadian Regional) or starting of RDU-YUL (may have been a former AC route) at least a once daily of ei
49 Tornado82 : As soon as I saw your name in the Last Reply column, I knew you'd be requesting RDU-Montreal. That said, I think they've got a couple bigger geese to
50 Coronado990 : Yes, yes...very nice indeed. AC in SAN was greatly missed. My clients going to YQB will be very happy. Now all we need is an intercontinental carrier
51 SLCUT2777 : The E-190 would be a great route developmental a/c in this situation and give the DL MD-90 a good run for the $$$ for YYZ-SLC. DL is using E-170's on
52 ERJ170 : If not anything, I'm persistant. But seriously, I know a lot of people think my airport is well served. But I think it is underserved. So many people
53 Lentigomaligna : I'm sure the flight would pre-clear in YYZ and thus wouldn't need to use the International gates. Perhaps they'd use UA's gates on B.
54 Yow : Bingo! Uh, wouldn't Jazz simply park at a UA gate? Even if UA's SLC gates aren't RJ compatible QK could still ground load of course.
55 MAH4546 : AC/US couldn't make CLT-YUL work out, despite the connection. Why on earth on RDU-YUL work? It won't.
56 ScottB : See if you can recycle Midway's.
57 Aloha717200 : UA's SLC gates are RJ-compatible.
58 CRJ 900 : Well before you all bash the 705, until you have taken a ride on our aircraft don't knock it. It certainly isn't the same plane that Mesa flies. We re
59 ERJ170 : CLT and RDU are 2 different markets. The Canadian popn in RTP is increasing and traveling. RDU supports 3x YYZ service on O&D alone. RDU supported YU
60 N1120A : Well, YYZ is the economic center of Canada, allows costs to be spread over a longer stage length, provides competition against the new DL route and a
61 MAH4546 : I don't believe they ever have. Only Toronto and the very short lived Ottawa flights.
62 FLYACYYZ : I am surprised that AC hasnt reinstated the original schedule. If I recall it was roughly: AC541 YYZ1915 SAN2135 & AC542 SAN0815 YYZ1540 The above sch
63 FLYACYYZ : For the summer schedule will connect to´: LHR AC858 CDG AC882 MAN AC840 AMS AC816 DUB-SNN AC894 However all returning flights will require an overni
64 Jkudall : E1 is not connected to the customs facilities, nor are any of the E gates. D2 and D4 both accomodate CRJs and do for ASA's CR7 from SJD-SLC during th
65 ERJ170 : Good Gawd! Was that really necessary? And just because it was dropped THEN does not mean it can't sustain itself now. A.net attitude just doesn't jus
66 SLCUT2777 : That would be the safest assumption since concourse B is multi-carrier use, mostly DL on the north side and mostly WN on the south and the far out ga
67 WesternA318 : I think the smallest plane ive EVER seen parked at D6 is a 767-200. I know that a while back a 757 was RON there, but I never saw it myself. It was a
68 Jkudall : Actually, UA uses B5 and B7 (the upper B gates) for their RJ flights with no problems. Lower B is WN and some ASA. One other thing SLC is doing is re
69 SLCUT2777 : It would actually be nice if SLC got going on building their next masterplan. Both Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 are quite dated, and you are correct tha
70 Post contains images WesternA318 : DL is on the West side (ASA/Shuttle), Southwest is on the lower (original Concourse) North side. One can hope, or maybe SLC can turn into FLL with AC
71 Jkudall : I agree completely. SLC is maxed out when it comes to gate space. SkyWest is double parking aircraft at E concourse during peak banks and it isn't un
72 Aloha717200 : Thread-drift, but...what I don't understand is why they are investing in remodeling the existing terminals when the master plan calls for their compl
73 SLCUT2777 : You and me both! I think that they are afraid to commit to it until they see what the outcome is with DL's insolvency and financial future. While the
74 Aloha717200 : Well we won't see too much international service from SLC yet for the very reason of limited gate capacity at the airport. What SLC needs is a true,
75 Post contains images SLCUT2777 :
76 WesternA318 : What one of the assisstant directors told me this morning was the master plan has been changed from an ATL-clone to something that is a bit more conv
77 Aloha717200 : That's interesting, nothing's been said about it on the SLC airport website. When will we see these design changes? After the 15th? One thing is for
78 WesternA318 : Probably not until AFTER the new Director of Airports gets chosen, since the current one is resigning for a post at BWI. I dunno, but I'll bet SLC is
79 Aloha717200 : Do we have a timeline on that? I'm chomping at the bit to see the changes...
80 YOW : YUL never had RDU in the past. Going back to the pre-AC/CP merger the Ottawa route lasted over 2 years. The high-tech meltdown led to YOW being cut.
81 WesternA318 : The Mayors office said there will be at least a 4-5 month period of time between the current Director and the new appointee. I'd like to run, if I ha
82 Post contains images FlightShadow : AC to SLC will be nice. Arriving right around 9 PM should put it just in time for a decent evening photo when the days are longest I personally (and
83 Polaris : Salt Lake City has been on Air Canada's wish list for about five years. The timing and equipment had to be right. With new/expanded terminals at AC's
84 Post contains images Aloha717200 : Hey you'd have my support.
85 WesternA318 : Gee, thanks! Right now, I am attending the meeting to bring forward a plan to open up one or more spotting areas on any side of the field, and I am w
86 FlightShadow : I see the reference to Rocky, which pretty much makes me sure, but might as well ask Surely you can't be talking SLC?!?!?![Edited 2006-03-10 04:48:14
87 WesternA318 : I am talking about the one and only SLC. Any other spotters from SLC out here?
88 FlightShadow : You betcha!!!! (see sig) There are a fair amount of good places to spot at SLC! I'll start a thread about it, if ya want.
89 WesternA318 : By all means go for it! Welcome to my RU list!
90 Post contains links and images FlightShadow : ok! Thx for the RU add - but I don't think it will work as this is my 20th post. It should work after this one though I'll write a big report up tomor
91 Aloha717200 : You're on mine as well. I'm an SLC regular, I live about 260 miles north of you, but I get down there every couple of months or so.
92 WesternA318 : FlightShadow, that is an awesome list! Now the Wingpointe golf course parking is legally off-limits to just park there and watch the planes. I'm tryin
93 Aloha717200 : I'll get the ball rolling on that thread tonight...hope to see you there!
94 WesternA318 : and Im right behind you Aloha!
95 Post contains images FlightShadow : English can wait I was up there the 25th (of FEB), didn't have any problems, but I can't say I didn't expect something like that. Have you been up the
96 Post contains images Aloha717200 : SLC spotters thread is now posted
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