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Why No A340-500 For VS?  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4624 times:

Why there's no A340-500 for VS? I know they have the 600s but no 500s. Unless they are not planning to do ultra long range from LHR?. Whats the chance of them buying the 500s at least they are going for 4 engines 4 long hauls.

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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4604 times:

There are not many routes where VS would need the range of the A345 that cant be done with their existing fleet.

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2169 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4595 times:

Which other European carrier has (or has plans of getting) A345s?

Europe is just not at the right place on the planet to allow the existence of ultra-long-haul flights. You can go anywhere non-stop except Oceania with a 744 or a 773ER, and even a 772LR (which has supposedly a longer range than the A345) cannot go non-stop to Australia, NZ, etc, so I don't see any market for the A345 in Europe.

Ultra-long-range pax airliners do not fit European airlines' networks, like the pax A380 does not fit North American airlines' networks. This is a fact to deal with in today's aviation world.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 2):
Which other European carrier has (or has plans of getting) A345s?

None. It would only be nessessary for some flights to Australia from western europe.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3414 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

What are your (generally everyone's) thoughts on VS's future fleet? How long will the 744's be there, A343's? More A380's and A346's? Do you really think A350 might become a reality with VS?- Is it at all necessary?

AA1818



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User currently offlineJumpJet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

My personal opinion (for what it's worth!) is that VS will eventually be all Airbus. Once the A380 enters service, won't they have one of the most modern fleets around? Will they retire the 747s? How many 747-400s have they got compared to A340-300s and 600s and how old are these 747s? The last VS 747-400 I flew on came from Alitalia I think, am I right?

Incidentally, I'm not an aviation professional, I'm simply a member of the public with an unhealthy interest in the subject! When I can, I make a point of trying to fly with VS rather than say BA, simply because I just like their attitude towards the paying customer. I've only once had a problem with them, dreadful Premium Economy seats and crabby staff on a MCO/LGW flight. I complained on return and they generously dealt with it to my entire satisfaction. We're off to Australia summer 2007 and are already looking at flights, I guess my first choice would again be VS, particularly as I've not yet flown on an A340-600!

I appreciate the fact that most paying customers don't care what they're flying on as long as it's got wings, so I guess I'm a bit different. A modern young fleet is important to me and I have made decisions on who to fly with, simply because of the equipment... How sad am I?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

one of the only European routes I could think of which might need the A345 would be LHR/FRA-EZE.....


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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 4):
What are your (generally everyone's) thoughts on VS's future fleet? How long will the 744's be there, A343's? More A380's and A346's? Do you really think A350 might become a reality with VS?- Is it at all necessary?

AA1818

This thread should answer your qstn.

Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent. (by Speedmarque Mar 5 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
Whats the chance of them buying the 500s at least they are going for 4 engines 4 long hauls.

I have a feeling they'll dump that slogan pretty soon if they wanna stay competitive coz they'll probably order the A330 on Steroids (A350) or the 787 down the road.

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
Why there's no A340-500 for VS?

Unless they expand, they don't need it.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

T-Belle:

A330 on steroids? Please read about 350 on www.airbus.com. B787 a "767 on oestrogen"?? Back to the sandbox for you..

Micke//SWE  laughing 



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
one of the only European routes I could think of which might need the A345 would be LHR/FRA-EZE.....

It's already being done by BA and AF, (not sure about LH), with their existing equipment.

UAL


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 2):
and even a 772LR (which has supposedly a longer range than the A345)

I think you misspelled demonstratively.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 8):
A330 on steroids? Please read about 350 on www.airbus.com. B787 a "767 on oestrogen"?? Back to the sandbox for you..

My 'A330 on Steroids' term have nothing to do with the 787. Airbus have said it's a 'warmed up' A330 and the 787 doesn't share even a Michelin with the 767. 787 is not a 767 dirivitive.... although I like your "767 on oestrogen" line.. LOL

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
I think you misspelled demonstratively.

 rotfl   rotfl 


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 9):
It's already being done by BA and AF, (not sure about LH), with their existing equipment.

I'm not sure what you meant.... confused ....

care to clarify? Smile



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
one of the only European routes I could think of which might need the A345 would be LHR/FRA-EZE.....

I was trying to say that no major airline in Europe needs an A345 to make that flight. They can do it with their existing equipment. 777's, A340's, 747's. No European airline needs the range and weight of the A345 to make South America runs.

UAL


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
one of the only European routes I could think of which might need the A345 would be LHR/FRA-EZE.....



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 9):
It's already being done by BA and AF, (not sure about LH), with their existing equipment.



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
I'm not sure what you meant.... ....

care to clarify?

LHR-EZE, FRA-EZE, CDG-EZE or even CDG-SCL are currently flown without any restrictions by BA/LH/AF with their B772ER/B744/A343/A346.
No need to add an extra a/c type for those routes.

YULWinterSkies is absolutely right in its reply#2.
Due to the geographical situation of Europe, no European airline need an A345 or a B772LR (PAX) for its network.
All the destinations of those airlines can be reached nonstop from their main HUB with their current equipement, and in any case, even if BA would like to fly nonstop LHR-SYD/AKL oe AF CDG-PPT or CDG-NOU the A345 or the B772LR won't have enough range capabilities (Ok, Ok, I Know, the B772LR is supposed to be able to do LHR-SYD, according to the winds/season/bla bla bla ... it's been discussed 10000times).


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Would VS consider HNL non stop??


Lee



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

HNL nonstop is still within the range of their exisisting aircraft, LOL.

 Smile

UAL


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 13):
I was trying to say that no major airline in Europe needs an A345 to make that flight. They can do it with their existing equipment. 777's, A340's, 747's. No European airline needs the range and weight of the A345 to make South America runs.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):

LHR-EZE, FRA-EZE, CDG-EZE or even CDG-SCL are currently flown without any restrictions by BA/LH/AF with their B772ER/B744/A343/A346.
No need to add an extra a/c type for those routes.

got it......thanks for the responses... Smile



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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 4):
What are your (generally everyone's) thoughts on VS's future fleet? How long will the 744's be there, A343's? More A380's and A346's? Do you really think A350 might become a reality with VS?- Is it at all necessary?

I reckon 777's 748's and 7e7's!!

Chris



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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 15):
Would VS consider HNL non stop??



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 16):
HNL nonstop is still within the range of their exisisting aircraft,

LHR-HNL = 7237mi/11647km

LHR-CGK = 7284mi/11722km
CDG-SCL = 7240mi/11652km


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