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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

A month or two ago someone mentioned they thought US (with HP metal) would be starting PDX-PHL in april. Any updates? Confirm/deny?


When in doubt, one B pump off
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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

I too really want to know about this...


Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

I heard about that myself, I checked USAirways website to see what service they have for PDX-PHL, and unfortunately they still had flights connecting in places like LAS, ORD, PHX, and SFO... I am not sure what the deal is...


Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 2):
I checked USAirways website to see what service they have for PDX-PHL, and unfortunately they still had flights connecting in places like LAS, ORD, PHX, and SFO... I am not sure what the deal is...

It was just a rumor. US never came out with it, so it shouldn't be on the website. Now, whether it happens, I am not sure. I would imagine it will. We will just have to wait and see. Maybe when the 190's come, which will free up some birds.

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4151 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

It's still officially in "rumor" status, although this "rumor" comes with dates and times. So, I'll say unofficially, sometime in early June, a turn coming into PDX at around 9 or 10pm and heading redeye straight back to PHL. On HP metal, probably A319 at first. By this time, HP will be on the C concourse here at PDX.
From what I've been hearing, US is going to be announcing even further expansion this year which will knock some socks off. At least one destination that nobody is expecting.


User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

LAS-HNL-NRT tag-on?? I'll keep dreaming til it happens  Wink

User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
From what I've been hearing, US is going to be announcing even further expansion this year which will knock some socks off. At least one destination that nobody is expecting.

Is this all you have heard, or is there more?

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 5):
LAS-HNL-NRT tag-on?? I'll keep dreaming til it happens

Mind if I join your dream?

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4151 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 6):
Is this all you have heard, or is there more?

There's more, but I'm not going to divulge anything...any announcements are still months away in all likelihood. It would be pretty rude to my source to let it out in the open, not to mention I could get in some trouble.

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 5):
LAS-HNL-NRT tag-on?? I'll keep dreaming til it happens

lol, no, let's just say HNL will not be part of the picture. Maybe that will clear it up a bit.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

US would need a bunch more widebodies and quick if they were going to announce anything trans-Pacific. They're stretching the current fleet to the limit as it is.


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
HP metal, probably A319 at first. By this time, HP will be on the C concourse here at PDX.

Why is HP moving to the C Concourse? Is anyone swapping gates with them? I haven't heard of this yet!


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4151 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 9):
Why is HP moving to the C Concourse? Is anyone swapping gates with them? I haven't heard of this yet!

Late May is the move. We are moving into the area under C15-17, the Port has been renovating it for us very nicely. Our current spot is tiny and trashy, the new one is very spacious...heck, now we won't have to go into the concourse to use the bathroom!

Part of the reason is because of the tarmac work that needs to be done around the north side of D concourse. But if it works out, I hope we stay over on C.
Longer walk, but our gates will be next to each other with a shared podium, instead of across and down the hallway with a moving sidewalk in between like we have now. Ticket counter will most likely be moving as well, only problem there is that our bags won't be able to go down the belt into the bagroom anymore. We may have to move our bagroom, I've heard the idea floated of taking a spot in Horizon's bagroom.

Right now those gates really are not being used other than some remote RON. A while back they used to be NW gates.


User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
From what I've been hearing, US is going to be announcing even further expansion this year which will knock some socks off. At least one destination that nobody is expecting.

Can you still protect your source and let us know the region or continent
of this new destination? Is it a new destination and not a new route to
a city already in the system?

By the way, I saw an HP A319 yesterday evening at PHX in the new
livery. I think the serial number was N816AW. Is this a repainted jet
or a new delivery? It was the first 319 I've seen in the new colors.



fly high, pay low...Germanwings!
User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

I would be surprised of PDX-PHL was one of the first markets that the new company tried, only for the fact, look at the fact that they had tried PDX twice before and the routes obviously didn't work. I would like for PDX to get some new service, but in all honestly, I don't think US is the right combo for PDX. It surprises me that the daily O&D between the two markets is 256 pax and still not one nonstop flight. The new combined US might eventually look at this market, but it has bigger fish to catch I am guessing, especially as they begin to fine tune their system and reduce their overall fleet

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

LAS-NRT non-stop would be good yields from gambling, I think, if US had the range for it. Would HP actually have an Airbus based at PHL that would turn at Portland?


What now?
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5754 times:

I do remember that US proposed PHL-PDX service back in 2000/2001; first with the merger w/UA, then later (after that merger was shot down) it actually announced that its own PHL-PDX service would commence in June 2002. The post-9/11 economic downturn along w/its Chapter 11 filings all but killed those plans.

Personally, I would've loved to see non-stop PHL-PDX service become a reality (regardless of carrier); especially since I've made 3 trips out to PDX in the last 3 years.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

so, if there is an announcment coming in a few months for a good amount of new service, maybe I'll revive my hope for a PVD-PHX flight then - I had pretty much given up at this point. Wouldn't mind seeing CLT-DAB/MLB RJ service thrown in there as well...

User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

My Keys spies are saying CLT-EYW, CLT-MTH - E170 Service this fall.

Craig
MKE/EYW



MKE / EYW / LAS - The true trifecta of aviation!
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 16):
My Keys spies are saying CLT-EYW, CLT-MTH - E170 Service this fall.

I could see EYW working, not too sure on MTH - maybe seasonal there...

Either way, I'd like to see both those routes even if it replaces the EYW-FLL service.


User currently offlineMuttley35 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

pdx-bhx pdx -bhx pdx -bhx think if I say it enough times it will happen ???

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

Marathon?? That's doubtful....FLL-EYW will stay, those flights do very well. An additional CLT frequency would be interesting. I'd bet those flights would have to be weight restricted from EYW's very short runway. The runway at MTH ain't much longer, either.

[Edited 2006-03-08 15:20:47]

User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Quoting John (Reply 19):
Marathon?? That's doubtful....FLL-EYW will stay, those flights do very well. An additional CLT frequency would be interesting. I'd bet those flights would have to be weight restricted from EYW's very short runway. The runway at MTH ain't much longer, either.

Oddly an article in Today's Citizen mentions this too:
http://www.keysnews.com/296349314149350.bsp.htm

Delta* is doing very well with the CRJ-700 service from ATL, they are up to 2x. I have not heard anything about weight problems with the CRJs out of EYW.

BTW, MTH is 5000 feet, EYW is 4800 feet.

Craig
MKE/EYW



MKE / EYW / LAS - The true trifecta of aviation!
User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 10):
Late May is the move. We are moving into the area under C15-17, the Port has been renovating it for us very nicely. Our current spot is tiny and trashy, the new one is very spacious...heck, now we won't have to go into the concourse to use the bathroom!

Part of the reason is because of the tarmac work that needs to be done around the north side of D concourse. But if it works out, I hope we stay over on C.
Longer walk, but our gates will be next to each other with a shared podium, instead of across and down the hallway with a moving sidewalk in between like we have now. Ticket counter will most likely be moving as well, only problem there is that our bags won't be able to go down the belt into the bagroom anymore. We may have to move our bagroom, I've heard the idea floated of taking a spot in Horizon's bagroom.

Right now those gates really are not being used other than some remote RON. A while back they used to be NW gates

I guess we UA, will be using D1, D3 for the summer. They will be shutting down two of the E gates at a time for Taxiway work. I guess they will move CO over to D2, D4. I wish we would move into the horseshoe gates. I hate working the northside with the 40 mph winds.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 20):
Delta* is doing very well with the CRJ-700 service from ATL, they are up to 2x. I have not heard anything about weight problems with the CRJs out of EYW.

There are strictily enforced passenger caps on Delta's EYW-ATL flights.



a.
User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5549 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 13):
LAS-NRT non-stop would be good yields from gambling, I think, if US had the range for it.

Would be fun, but with a lack of aircraft and no slots into NRT I doubt you will see it anytime soon.

Hawk44



Never under estimate the power of US
User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5472 times:

Sounds like we need some Q400s for CLT-EYW  Smile

I keed, I keed



When in doubt, one B pump off
25 HPRamper : Not Europe. Well, maybe Europe too. Totally new destination. And we have a good number of repainted A319s out here. If any are delivered, it will be
26 PVD757 : how about a country at least - or a region. Heard anything about tying in some east cities with PHX and/or LAS. I'd guess that BUF, ROC, RIC, ORF, PV
27 Doug_Or : Maybe I'm off, but it would seem more logical to me to tie western cities to PHL or CLT. By adding SMF, SJC, PDX, SAT, AUS, RNO to PHL or CLT, you ope
28 FCYTravis : Actually, Doug, you very much do open up new routings. A lot of them. The old US Airways only served seven cities from the Rockies west - Las Vegas, D
29 HPRamper : Ok...and this is the most you'll all get...somewhere west of the United States, but east of the Asian mainland. Keep in mind...this is NOT finalized
30 Doug_Or : Easter Island here I come!
31 PSA727 : O.K. then it's either Japan or Guam. Australia/New Zealand/South Pacific are south of Asia, and Japan is technically not on the Asian Mainland. By th
32 MAH4546 : Yes, assuming that you need to file for the authority. You don't need route authority to fly to Guam, for example, as it is a domestic route. You als
33 Post contains images Vega : Can you at least say if the "originating" city is in the Eastern or Western U.S. ? I've heard this also, including the times, so it "must" be true.
34 PVD757 : Does HP serve ANC yet? Could be Guam... Thanks HP - that should keep us busy for a while...
35 Vega : Even from PHX, a HNL stop would be required with any existing US aircraft. Anyway where's the $ incentive for GUAM? Are the Japanese there high on LA
36 PDXFlyBoy : Oh come on now...that does give us a lot to imagine but come on...
37 Flashmeister : I would be surprised of PDX-PHL was one of the first markets that the new company tried, only for the fact, look at the fact that they had tried PDX t
38 HPRamper : Guam probably wouldn't be the best idea. CO pretty much owns GUM. I was trying to figure out somewhere else that didn't have a big Star Alliance pres
39 FCYTravis : Yes. Daily round-trips from LAS and PHX.
40 Vega : Again, there is NO existing US aircraft that could reach any major city or tourist destination West of HNL, other than Tahiti and I cannot imagine Pa
41 PVD757 : What about the A332's - what kind of range do those have (too lazy to look it up)??
42 John : I don't know the exact range, but the 330-200s can certainly do PHX/LAS-NRT, for instance.
43 PVD757 : And isn't US's aircraft order only receiving the 330s' and the 320 family from the HP order for the next couple years? After that the US narrowbody A
44 Ballsdeep : When is us airways taking delivery of the A330-200?
45 HPRamper : US Airways already has a few.
46 Doug_Or : Haven't seen any yet. Go through PHL and or CLT a few times most days. AKAIK they only have -300s.
47 PSA727 : Actually, US only has the A330-300 series in their fleet. While they were in Ch. 11, they worked out an agreement with Airbus to convert their remain
48 ORD2PHL : This is correct, US only has the -300, they had -200's on order but had to either cancel or defer the order as part of one of the BK filings; it may
49 Malaysia : Maybe NW will sell some A332 to US?
50 Vega : This is a list of ALL USAirways Airbus Widebodies. Does anyone see an A330-2xx? The Maximum Range of the A330 is 5650nm. The Distance from PHX to NRT
51 HPRamper : My bad, I thought they were -200s. What is the range of the -200 compared to the -300? Any other major differences in the two?
52 Ballsdeep : This is a list of ALL USAirways Airbus Widebodies. Does anyone see an A330-2xx? The Maximum Range of the A330 is 5650nm. The Distance from PHX to NRT
53 USXguy : MTH runway prohibits aircraft with a wingspan over 82 feet.. E170s are 95 feet. No 170s operate in and out of CLT and we're told that Republic won't
54 HPRamper : Funny the tangent this thread turned into. Don't put too much stock in it; I heard it from ONE guy in routing and I didn't ask him his sources. Back t
55 Ca2ohhp : PDX-PHL and YVR-PHL are scheduled to start in July on HP aircraft. FAT-LAS A319 is now in availability for May.
56 HPRamper : Interesting, I hadn't heard about the YVR run. Are these both in the computer yet, or did you hear about them elsewhere?
57 Jdwfloyd : Along with the PHL-PDX service that was announced pre 9/11 there was also PIT-PDX schd to start. PHL was going to have once daily on a 752 and PIT twi
58 N1120A : A330-300 The A330-200 has a range of 6750nm and holds about 50 fewer passengers than the A330-300.
59 Post contains images WesternA318 : How about a SLC-LAS-PHX-PHL-ATH routing? All on the A330?
60 HPRamper : Whoa, I didn't think there would be so wide a gap in range of the aircraft. Thanks N1120A.
61 Ballsdeep : That is good to know, so the A330-200 can do PHX-NRT. To bad we won't be seeing them for a few years and who knows if they will be used to make that
62 Ca2ohHP : No, PDX/YVR-PHL aren't loaded into SHARES yet, but the FAT-LAS 319 is. I can't figure out that turn. I think a 319 could be better utilized elsewhere
63 FCYTravis : I'm guessing FAT-LAS is an aircraft utilization thing... got something sitting on the ground in Vegas for a couple hours, go send it over to Fresburg.
64 Post contains images MD90fan : Wasnt PIT their largest hub? It just goes to show how much they have scaled back there. If they did that route twice daily on 752's now I would think
65 Jdwfloyd : Nearly 600 flights a day including Express, times have changed a bit.
66 FATFlyer : It will be the afternoon flight. FAT have been seeing good load factors for the HP/US service. Overall something in the 75-80% range using CRJ/CR9s t
67 FATFlyer : It will be the afternoon flight. FAT have been seeing good load factors for the HP/US service. Overall something in the 75-80% range using CR9s to LA
68 HPRamper : And hey, if it doesn't pan out, they pull the Airbus. Not a big deal.
69 Ca2ohHP : Actually it's closer to 60%. Also, FAT is ground handled by YV and historically, YV stations have never handled a mainline aircraft for HP. It will d
70 FATFlyer : Probably closer to 75%. The market changed in 2005. LFs for HP/Mesa at FAT in last 3 quarters 2005 (all flights to LAS and PHX) Apr 65.4% May 73.5% J
71 Ca2ohHP : What is your source, I went back and looked at actual company loads.
72 Post contains links FATFlyer : FAT load factor reports from the airport. http://www.fresno.gov/flyfresno/load...actors.asp?system=fyiLF&dyear=2005 If your info is different what pe
73 Ca2ohHP : Sorry i didn't notice you were referring to LAS and PHX. The numbers I look at are by city pair, so just LAS and just PHX.
74 FATFlyer : And what periods were you examining, Jan or Feb 2006 or a longer period. I'm just curious to see how things match up.
75 Ca2ohHP : November 2005 thru February 2006. I really think FAT-LAS is getting a mainline aircraft to compete better with Allegiant Airlines, even though the ti
76 FATFlyer : Jan/Feb are typically very slow months at FAT. Fog delays during those months causes people to make arrangements from other airports and of course the
77 Ca2ohHP : That is the case at many more airports than just FAT. I'm not talking about PHX flights and LAS flights. I'm just talking LAS flights with mediocre l
78 HPRamper : It's official! PDX-PHL begins June 1, it's in the computer now. Will be flown on HP metal. Flight 950 PHL-PDX departs 8:30 pm, arrives PDX 11:25pm. Fl
79 Vega : I just can't help wondering the rationale behind these flight times, other than the Carribbean connections, or some indication of substantial daily tu
80 HPRamper : Well, I just look at JetBlue for an example. They have a night turn roughly the same time frame, a little later actually, and at last check it was doi
81 Post contains images MD90fan : UA? You mean NW? NW flies to NRT from PDX, another p2p destination is HNL
82 Cactus739 : If the PDX-PHL flight leaves before the PHL inboun, then an A320 woul have to come in from PHX or LAS... and looking through the online schedules for
83 Aircop : Just what I would want to do, sit around the Philly airport for all day (11 hours) waiting for a flight to Europe.
84 HPRamper : Perhaps not, or maybe they have different schedules on different days of the week, for some reason. I say this because I found those times running an
85 Vega : Note the word "NOT". Actually I do mean UA. UA is a strong Star Alliance Partner with US and flies to Asia from LAX, SFO and SEA on the West Coast -
86 HPRamper : I don't see how a PDX-Asia flight on US would be doable. PDX is not anything close to a focus for US, so there's not much feed coming in on that end.
87 Post contains images QXatFAT : Do you think that the A319 by HP will be here before the A319 by Mexicana? Just wondering so I can see it in here I would love to see one of these bi
88 Vega : Well if I were US and was interested in Asia (because everyone else seems to be), I'd first do a trial from the least competitve west coast city and
89 FCYTravis : Why would they build an entire focus city somewhere else, and not just make PHX their Asia gateway? Makes no sense. PHX has no non-stop or direct serv
90 Post contains images SonOfACaptain : First we must get the planes that can even fly to Asia. -SOAC
91 HPRamper : That, and the Portland area is chock full of residents of Asian heritage. They also cram the belly full of cargo on that NRT flight.
92 Flypdx : Why did the slaughter PIT flights and move them to PHL? Sometimes things don't quite make sense..
93 Ca2ohHP : Hey, I think it's great to see growth for a change in this industry! Here is the LAS-FAT (US) schedule effective April 2, 2006: HP216 DEP FAT: 2:05pm
94 Post contains images FATFlyer : MX starts their service on April 1. First flight arrives at 10:50 PM. HP starts the A319 April 2, scheduled to arrive at about 1:00 PM. Late April-ea
95 Ca2ohHP : I thought socal was the only place with traffic nightmares. Man I need to get out.
96 Vega : If you have to ask that question then you possibly don't understand the difference between the 2 cities. A great airport, unfortunately, does not cre
97 FATFlyer : Same freeway as SoCal uses to get to Las Vegas. Fresno uses Highway 58 from Bakersfield to Barstow then I-15 to Vegas. Of course 58 can be bad also,
98 Flypdx : I was trying to simply prove a point, but I apparently didn't do a good job at it, or you just misunderstood. Probably the first though.
99 FATFlyer : I don't want to imply that Fresno doesn't have bad traffic. It gets pretty bad here. Of course most people don't realize how large the Fresno area is.
100 QXatFAT : That is exactly why I have no problem paying $300 to fly FAT-LAS. I am assuming that the A319 will have a first class seating as well. I believe this
101 FATFlyer : Maybe, I may have another commitment that will put me out of town that weekend.
102 Post contains links Stirling : US Airways announces service PDX-PHL beginning June 1. Aircraft will be an A320. http://www.portofportland.com/SelfPo...t/A_200632092045PDXUSAirwaysNR
103 Steeler83 : Exactly... US was very hard hit financially from the terrorist attacks of 9-11. PAX loads went way down, and PIT was a struggling market. For decades
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