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Baggage Handlers At NWA Reject Proposed Pay Cuts  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3108 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Courtesy: Associated Press

Some Northwest Employees Reject Pay Cuts

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060307/northwest_labor.html?.v=9

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Ah, so it's the most easily replaced who are balking. Smart move...


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7637 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

How does their pay compare to alternative employment.

User currently offlineNWBOS From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 2):
How does their pay compare to alternative employment.

Well, would you vote to outsource your job? That IS voting for alternative employment. I am angry that the reservations and ticket agents voted it in. This proposal is awful, and the drastic step of outsourcing all of the smaller stations was completely unnecessary. USAir and United didn't even propose this in their bankruptcy cases.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting NWBOS (Reply 3):
Well, would you vote to outsource your job? That IS voting for alternative employment. I am angry that the reservations and ticket agents voted it in. This proposal is awful, and the drastic step of outsourcing all of the smaller stations was completely unnecessary. USAir and United didn't even propose this in their bankruptcy cases.

Wasn't the proposal for ramp work to be outsourced at only stations with less than 10 flights a day? How many jobs would that have been? Are you sure that UA & US already don't outsource at some stations. I think they do along with DL.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13156 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3268 times:
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First, I would like to see the contract as this discussion needs some facts fast. Anyone have a link? (Yes, I know its not supposed to be out there on the net... but often is.)

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Ah, so it's the most easily replaced who are balking. Smart move...

This is a true statement. If the union contracts have put wages and benefits at a rate far greater than the going rate... this could get interesting fast.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineHammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Farming out work is a new trend, watch for NWA to replace alot more than the 733 that they wanted too....

User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4281 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
Are you sure that UA & US already don't outsource at some stations. I think they do along with DL.

UA outsources work at stations that are exclusively express. At stations where there is at least one mainline flight per day, it is UA mainline handling the flights.

US outsources most of the below the wing handling at the outstations, the only places where they are US employees are in the hubs/focus cities (I.E. BOS, LGA, PHL, PIT, CLT, LAS, PHX, DCA, etc) However the above the wing stuff (i.e. CS) I believe is still pretty much US.


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

I feel this was a stupid move. I saw the contract. It was probably the best they would see from this management team. It was almost word for word from the one we voted yes for at UA.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting NWBOS (Reply 3):
Well, would you vote to outsource your job?

Well, if it isn't approved, my job is still gone when NW goes under. And the court could impose it anyway.

I would run to the company they hire to take my job and apply if I wanted to remain a ramper. My experience and familiarity with the product would make me stand above others applying. Granted, my pay would be less, but that is a given no matter what. Alternatively, if the pay was too low, I'd look for other work. Actually, considering what NW has been going through, I'd already have been looking for other work, not sitting around hoping for the best.

It's called being "proactive" to use an oft overused business jargon.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Does anyone know what the top out pay for a NWA ramper is now and what NWA wants it to drop to with the new contract proposal?

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3031 times:
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Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
Wasn't the proposal for ramp work to be outsourced at only stations with less than 10 flights a day?

Talking with a couple of NW folks here (BOI), I think it was 50 mainline flights/week.



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3108 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Courtesy: KSTP-TV

Strike Unlikely--But Not Ruled Out--After Baggage Handlers Reject NWA's Offer

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S14677.html?cat=1

Video Report:

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=165887


User currently offlineHammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2917 times:

Does anyone know what the top out pay for a NWA ramper is now and what NWA wants it to drop to with the new contract proposal?

It was like close to $21.00 an hour before their recent pay cut....they took that 19% pay cut recently for a short term fix....
The new one was a little over $18.00 per hour....


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2819 times:
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20.20 was the pay before. 20.20 minus 19% is 16.36 20.20 minus 11.5% is 17.87. However with the proposed elimination of ramp, seniority, and shift differential the differance between the tentative agreement payscale and the 19 percent temporary was negligable. Subtract the insurance premium and higher medical/drug co-pays and it is considerably more.

Yes, it was better than minimum wage. Yes, it was better than unemployment.



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User currently offlineHammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Quoting M404 (Reply 14):

You are right M...I was adding in the shift premiums and line pay as well....thanks for the exact figure...


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