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Egyptair Increases SHJ Services  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Egyptair are increasing services on the CAI-SHJ-CAI route from the current 2x weekly CAI-SHJ-BOM A332 service to a 5x weekly terminator services (4x A320s and 1 B735).

The route is spilt from BOM later this month and increases to 5x weekly in May.

Current Schedule:
CAI-SHJ MS966 --3--6- 01:35/07:00 0 A332 (continues to BOM)
SHJ-CAI MS967 --3--6- 15:50/17:55 0 A332


New Schedule:
CAI-SHJ MS966 1-345-7 21:30/02:00 0 EQV
SHJ-CAI MS967 12-456- 03:00/05:45 0 EQV


The flight times are co-ordinated to make for easier transfer between MS's European and SHJ services.

Horus


EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Great news indeed , i can't wait til they receive their 6 new B738's . That will allow them to consolidate their short-haul network to Europe and the Middle East .

After receiving these 6 B738's MS fleet will consist of :
5 B772
3 A342
7 A332
12 B320
4 B321
3 B735
6 B738
+ an expected order for 7 more A332's .

Horus do you know how much longer MS will keep their baby Boeings ? And is there any chance they will add more B777's ?
They are planning to double their fleet by 2010 and adding 20 more A/C by next september . That means that we will see big orders of both long and short-haul Airplanes in the Future .

[Edited 2006-03-08 22:27:39]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 1):
Great news indeed , i can't wait til they receive their 6 new B738's . That will allow them to consolidate their short-haul network to Europe and the Middle East .

I'm looking forward to the B738s too, in fact I am trying to get myself on their first commercial service in September. In addition to consolidation I hope the B738s are used to expand their regional network and enhance frequency on important European services.

Also with the plan to expand their fleet by 2010, I expect MS to excerise their 6 options for the B738 soon.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 1):
12 B320
4 B321

The Boeing B320 and B321? Hehehe Big grin

The airline will get their 4th A321 back from Air Cairo in September.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 1):
Horus do you know how much longer MS will keep their baby Boeings ?

They should of retired the aircraft in 2002 when they had originally ordered 5 A318s. Then the 2003 A320s where earmarked to replace the Baby Boeings but the increase in demand and lack of new aircraft forced them to keep the aircraft for longer. Personally I'm fond of the aircraft and hope they keep them for longer, having said with Air Cairo expected to get ATRs and with the B738s arriving I can see the aircraft leaving the fleet in 2007.



Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 1):
And is there any chance they will add more B777's ?

Simple answer is no. I have to say the B773ER would look great in our c/s but it would make little commercial sense until MS seriously develop CAI as a hub.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 1):
They are planning to double their fleet by 2010 and adding 20 more A/C by next september.That means that we will see big orders of both long and short-haul Airplanes in the Future .

20 aircraft by September?

I can see MS ordering more 150 and 250 seater aircraft. I guess we'll have to wait and see.


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Forgot to mention that they're also increasing their CAI-AAN (Al Ain in the UAE) flights from a weekly B735 flight to a twice weekly A320 service.

Horus



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 2):
20 aircraft by September?

I meant september 2007 ( a year and a half ) from now   .

[Edited 2006-03-09 23:08:06]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 4):
I meant september 2007 ( a year and a half ) Smile .

Ah! Ma3lish. It might be too amibitious to expect 20 aircraft by 09/2007 considering they only have 6 aircraft on firm order at the moment. Even if they were to place an order tomorrow it would be a challenge getting delivery slots that early.

MSYYZ, what do you think MS should do? What aircraft would you like to see MS acquire? And which new destinations do you think they should launch (besides YYZ off course  Smile )

Horus



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 5):
MSYYZ, what do you think MS should do? What aircraft would you like to see MS acquire? And which new destinations do you think they should launch (besides YYZ off course )

Well , Horus , where to start...

I would like to see Egyptair taking advantage of Egypt's exceptional geographical location in the middle of the world , literally . The Airline has a great potential if it markets itself as a bridge between the 5 continents , sort of what Emirates is doing right now in the Middle East and Singapore Airlines in the Far East .
I mean Egypt has all the resources to have a big international Airline : The geographical location , a huge domestic market ( 70 Million people ) , Tourism ( Middle Easterners visiting during the summer and others during the winter ), Business travel , a large expatriate population in the Middle East - Europe - Australia and N.America .

I would like to see more long-haul and short-haul Aircraft . I would like them to consolidate then expand their regional routes to Middle East,Africa,south Asia and Europe
Two main markets come to my mind :

1) N.America-England /India-Pakistan market :
Hundreds of thousands of Indians/Pakistanis live in N.America and England and travel between the West and South Asia . This is a Huuuuge market that MS didn't explore or hasn't explored enough . Especially that a lot of customers in this big market are price oriented , and Egypt Air fares are very competitive from N.America and W. Europe . So i would like to see MS going back to Karachi and increasing flights to Bombay and exploring more Cities in India .

2) The other market where MS could be a big player is the N.America - Europe / East - south Africa .
As i mentioned in another thread a lot of Ethiopians,Erytreans , Sudanese , Tanzanians ...etc consider Egypt and/or Egyptair as their gateway to America and Europe , i would like to see them increasing frequency of flights to East Africa . South Africa is another region i would like to see MS penetrating more aggressively , i remember in the late 90's , MS used to fly to Cape town , Durban , Harare and Johannesburg . The later is the only left route right now .

I would love to see MS returning to Sydney and inaugurating Melbourne , Houston and Hong Kong and looking at the possibility of serving South America where there is a lot of Syrian and Lebanese Expats.

Regarding Toronto , Ms would love to serve it , but according to Egyptair's office in YYZ , the Canadian Authorities have been very stubborn and only gave them the licence to fly to YUL . The Canadians are treating Turkish Airlines the same way and refusing to give them a licence to fly to YYZ for many years now . I guess when AC is ready to fly to Egypt or to Turkey , they may rethink their stance .
If the licence to fly to YYZ is granted to MS , i guess the best bet is to make YYZ an extension to YUL flights sort of what OK is doing on the ATH-YUL-YYZ route . And again , a Huuge South Asian population in YYZ .
By the way , in my opinion a year-round flights between CAI/YUL-YYZ is very possible . In the summer time , a lot of expatriates from all Nationalities including Arabs,South Asians,East Africans,Greeks,Turks,Italians and Egyptians leave Canada on vacation to their home countries , and during the winter time a lot of Canadians, especially seniors ( retired people over 65 ) escape the Canadian snow and harsh weather in hundreds of thousands for a sunny and warm region ( like Egypt ). MS just has to explore the possibilities with travel agencies .


Although i would love to see more B777's in MS colours but i guess that wouldn't be possible because of too much capacity unless MS succeeds in attracting more transit passengers . I think going for more A330's is a wise decision . The A330 performs very well on medium to long-haul routes , and MS officials stated a number of times that they are quite pleased with the A/C's performance .

Horus,Captin TuT , Korg747 , SU184 and others...Any comments , thoughts ...

[Edited 2006-03-11 02:46:42]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

MSYYZ, excellent post and welcome to my RU list (definitely deserved).

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
I would like to see Egyptair taking advantage of Egypt's exceptional geographical location in the middle of the world , literally . The Airline has a great potential if it markets itself as a bridge between the 5 continents , sort of what Emirates is doing right now in the Middle East and Singapore Airlines in the Far East .
I mean Egypt has all the resources to have a big international Airline : The geographical location , a huge domestic market ( 70 Million people ) , Tourism ( Middle Easterners visiting during the summer and others during the winter ), Business travel , a large expatriate population in the Middle East - Europe - Australia and N.America .

I absolutely agree with every point there and you really have hit the nail on the head in regard to the huge potential. Back in 80s MS was a leader in the Arab market and they had ambitious expansion plans (like EK today) but bureaucracy stifled these plans. Now in 2006, local competition (namely from the Gulf) has taken a lead but it is not too late for MS. As you correctly stated MS has CAI (geographical location), a large domestic and expatriate market and tourism...it really is a reciepe for success and if managed well can see MS really excelling.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
1) N.America-England /India-Pakistan market :

I think this market has potential however as you stated it is a price-conscience market which does mean low airfares and probably low yields. There's also a lot of competition in the market from Indian based carriers (that are all looking towards the US/EU for future expansion), the Gulf carriers (serious competitors with very deep pockets) and finally EU/UK airlines who provide large number of flights to meet their O&D market and the transfer market from North America (BA comes to mind).

I seriously doubt Pakistan will feature in MS's plans however India has a lot of potential.
http://www.expresstravelandtourism.com/200602/market14.shtml
I would like to see MS increasing frequency to BOM and adding flights to DEL. Potential at other Indian cities is limited at the moment for MS so they should concentrate at BOM and DEL; the economic, industrial and political centres of India. As for the market, as you said they can target the India-UK/US market but also the rapidly expanding O&D. The latter is in the forum of Indian tourists to Egypt but as India becomes a economic powerhouse there is a good chance for business travel. Finally MS can really take a star role in the India-East Africa market. The large Indian community in East Africa are well off and regularly travel back to India and MS can take advantage of that if they increase their presence in both markets.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
2) The other market where MS could be a big player is the N.America - Europe / East - south Africa . As i mentioned in another thread a lot of Ethiopians,Erytreans , Sudanese , Tanzanians ...etc consider Egypt and/or Egyptair as their gateway to America and Europe , i would like to see them increasing frequency of flights to East Africa . South Africa is another region i would like to see MS penetrating more aggressively , i remember in the late 90's , MS used to fly to Cape town , Durban , Harare and Johannesburg . The later is the only left route right now .

Yes I think this is another relatively large market that has potential. East Africa, and in fact Africa as a whole is really a huge untapped market which I hope Egyptair take advantage off before ET becomes too dominant. At the moment East African destinations are (summer 06) restricted to KRT (daily A332), ASM (2x weekly A320), EBB (2x weekly A320), NBO (3x weekly A320) and ADD (3x weekly A320) which is a decent presence but can really be improved to capture a larger market share. As for South Africa, this summer JNB goes up to 3x weekly but this market can sustain 6-7 weekly flights if marketed and researched well. As for CPT, I think MS were right to pull out of the market as it is a leisure destination which invariably means low yields. DUR is a small market and most international airlines have pulled out of the city. Finally HRE, I'm actually at 2 minds. First the Zimbabwe market has potential due to the lack of competition and high yield passengers however on the other side the political situation and relatively small market size is unattractive.

I would really like to see MS expand their network in Africa. ET and AT have shown that it is a viable and profitable market and the fares charged by the likes of AF, SN and BA indicates it is a very lucrative operation. Now if MS were to expand into the market, offer a decent schedule (frequency and timing) and utlitise CAI as a hub I really think they can come out as winners at the end.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
I would love to see MS returning to Sydney and inaugurating Melbourne , Houston and Hong Kong and looking at the possibility of serving South America where there is a lot of Syrian and Lebanese Expats.

The long haul market is one we'd all like to see MS expand in. However I really hope MS take a cautious approach to this but equally not to shy away from expanding and taking measured risks. The problem with launching long haul destinations is that loses can be exceptionally high if things go wrong (e.g. PEK the first time round).

MS's website had HKG and IAH as forthcoming destinations before 2002 but nothing firm came of them. MS also considered "establishing a route with Shanghai, with which Egyptian businessmen have close commercial ties," commented the former EgyptAir official.". As for South America, despite talks ( Egyptair And Varig To Co-Operate (by Horus Nov 8 2005 in Civil Aviation) ) I seriously doubt MS will launch flights there due to the long distance and aircraft required and the fact it is a small, low yield market (even MEA left the market).

As for SYD/MEL, I think they are high on MS's list. I've been told they applied to serve SYD last year but couldn't get the slots they needed. However it is important to note that last time MS served SYD they were loosing LE64 million a year (http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/622/ec5.htm), but this could be put down to lack of frequency (2x weekly) and the market post 9/11. MEL might be a better option till slots at SYD are available as it would give MS time to build up a customer base and also MEL has the largest Egyptian and Lebanese population in Australia.

As I said before I'd like to see more long haul expansion but I want MS officials to properly research the feasability and profitablilty of any route before they commit. They need to look at the market size, yields, routing and frequency. Up until now MS have always launched new long haul services via an intermediate established point; JFK (via ORY), NRT (via BKK/MNL), YUL (via JFK), JNB (via HRE), BOM (via SHJ), PEK (via BKK), etc. Now this will need to be addressed if future long haul destinations are to be launched as passengers will see it as a disadvantage if they wish to use MS/CAI for transfers.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
Regarding Toronto , Ms would love to serve it , but according to Egyptair's office in YYZ , the Canadian Authorities have been very stubborn and only gave them the licence to fly to YUL . The Canadians are treating Turkish Airlines the same way and refusing to give them a licence to fly to YYZ for many years now . I guess when AC is ready to fly to Egypt or to Turkey , they may rethink their stance .

Seems rather silly. I know there continues to be rumours about AC and CAI but if it were to happen it'll only take place when the B787s arrive which is still years away.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
If the licence to fly to YYZ is granted to MS , i guess the best bet is to make YYZ an extension to YUL flights sort of what OK is doing on the ATH-YUL-YYZ route . And again , a Huuge South Asian population in YYZ .

I think it would be too expensive and an operational nightmare to operate YYZ as an extension of YUL. If that was the case then surely codesharing with AC would be a better option. I would of thought YYZ could support a non-stop to CAI.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
By the way , in my opinion a year-round flights between CAI/YUL-YYZ is very possible . In the summer time , a lot of expatriates from all Nationalities including Arabs,South Asians,East Africans,Greeks,Turks,Italians and Egyptians leave Canada on vacation to their home countries , and during the winter time a lot of Canadians, especially seniors ( retired people over 65 ) escape the Canadian snow and harsh weather in hundreds of thousands for a sunny and warm region ( like Egypt ). MS just has to explore the possibilities with travel agencies .

YUL is probably profitable during the winter, but MS would rather use the aircraft on more profitable routes. Utlitising a B777 on a 12 hour flight might not be the best option. And as you said in the winter the market is centred around tourists which straight away translates to a low yield market.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
Although i would love to see more B777's in MS colours but i guess that wouldn't be possible because of too much capacity unless MS succeeds in attracting more transit passengers . I think going for more A330's is a wise decision . The A330 performs very well on medium to long-haul routes , and MS officials stated a number of times that they are quite pleased with the A/C's performance .

Absolutely. The A330 is a very capable aircraft and would suite MS on most of their long haul markets. The A342s can be used on longer, thinner routes and the B772s on larger markets once they develop.



I think we will see changes over the coming year or so. With new orders expected from MS, CAI's T3 opening next year and with the inevitable market liberalisation expected, the Egyptian aviation scene is looking up.


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 7):
MSYYZ, excellent post and welcome to my RU list

Thanks , Horus  Smile

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 6):
MS can really take a star role in the India-East Africa market.

Totally agree , i forgot to mention that profitable market .

Quoting Horus (Reply 7):
As for South Africa, this summer JNB goes up to 3x weekly but this market can sustain 6-7 weekly flights

As far as i remember MS used to fly 4 times a week to JNB in the 90's and was one of the first Airlines that started service to South Africa after the demise of the Apartheid .

Quoting Horus (Reply 7):
Seems rather silly. I know there continues to be rumours about AC and CAI but if it were to happen it'll only take place when the B787s arrive which is still years away.

Actually ,AC is expecting to receive some B777's in 2007 , that would free up some of their 767's that may be depolyed to CAI if they ever consider inaugurating that route .
I remember in 2001 or 2002 AC decided to fly thrice a week to Beirut but at the last moment they dropped their plan after the Canadian goverment's intervention due to ( security ) reasons .



Quoting Horus (Reply 7):
I think it would be too expensive and an operational nightmare to operate YYZ as an extension of YUL. If that was the case then surely codesharing with AC would be a better option. I would of thought YYZ could support a non-stop to CAI.

Why is that Horus ? And what do you suggest if MS wants to serve both YUL and YYZ ?
I don't think there is enough traffic to grant separate service for both cities .
A lot of MS traffic on the YUL-CAI route in the summer come from YYZ .

Quoting Horus (Reply 7):
I think we will see changes over the coming year or so. With new orders expected from MS, CAI's T3 opening next year

I believe so too . I hope T3 will provide a much better transit services than the present T2 which in my opinion needs to be demolished and replaced .



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 8):
As far as i remember MS used to fly 4 times a week to JNB in the 90's and was one of the first Airlines that started service to South Africa after the demise of the Apartheid .

Were the flights non-stop? I'd imagine most flights went via other African points and/or continued onto DUR and CPT.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 8):
Actually ,AC is expecting to receive some B777's in 2007 , that would free up some of their 767's that may be depolyed to CAI if they ever consider inaugurating that route .

Yes I didn't consider that option. I'd prefer the A330/A340 but I suppose the B767 would do for a start.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 8):
Why is that Horus ? And what do you suggest if MS wants to serve both YUL and YYZ ?
I don't think there is enough traffic to grant separate service for both cities .
A lot of MS traffic on the YUL-CAI route in the summer come from YYZ .

MSYYZ, it's very difficult for me to say. I really don't know the potential size of the market as a whole. If as you say their isn't enough traffic to warrant non-stop flights to each city then I say MS should consider codesharing with AC on the YUL-YYZ-YUL sector until they secure a reliable and large enough market then launch their own non-stop service. However if AC could profitably operate YYZ-CAI-YYZ then I would say so could MS. In fact MS would have an edge since they have a potentially large market to offer onward connections to in Africa and the Middle East (AC can offer connections at their end but I don't think it's as large).



Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 8):
I believe so too . I hope T3 will provide a much better transit services than the present T2 which in my opinion needs to be demolished and replaced

T2 will be renovated next year to match T3's standards (they will be physically connected with a bridge). It's impossible to do anything now as the terminal is already operating above its design capacity so any obstructions (like what happened at T1) can really hinder passenger flow.

Here are a few views of T3 just outside T2:

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/7885/p10101940zf.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6647/p10101930mg.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7986/p10101923jf.jpg

And in relation to CAI's infrastructure Cairo International Airport will get a new control tower in 2007. The 100-meter-high tower will be built on an area of 14,000 square meters near the Cargo Village at a cost of almost 14.4 million euros.


Horus



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 9):
Were the flights non-stop? I'd imagine most flights went via other African points and/or continued onto DUR and CPT

Yes , you are right , they operated 4 flights a week to JNB t 2 of them continue to CPT and the other 2 to DUR .

Just a little correction to a previous post , AC was planning to serve BEY in 2003 not 2002 as i mentioned before .



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 10):
Just a little correction to a previous post , AC was planning to serve BEY in 2003 not 2002 as i mentioned before .

I forgot to mention that when AC announced BEY route , the first planned flight was fully booked 2 months before the inauguration date . That means the market between Canada and the Middle East is there and is big enough to grant at least 3 weekly flights between YYZ/YUL and the M/E .



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 10):
Yes , you are right , they operated 4 flights a week to JNB t 2 of them continue to CPT and the other 2 to DUR .

I really can't imagine what market MS had to DUR. It's a nice city but all traffic there is leisure orientated and I can't see large numbers of Egyptian tourists going there.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 10):
the first planned flight was fully booked 2 months before the inauguration date .

That 'fact' was thrown around quite a bit on this site when the service was cancelled but I know an AC staff member at LHR who had checked loads for these flights and said they were no where near full for 2 months. I'm not saying the market isn't big enough or that it doesn't have that potential, but those flights were certainly not full for the first 2 months.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 10):
That means the market between Canada and the Middle East is there and is big enough to grant at least 3 weekly flights between YYZ/YUL and the M/E .

Any reason why never AC attempted to fly Arab M/E route pre-9/11?




On a completely different note, what do you think of the modification to Hosni's jet:

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Horus

[Edited 2006-03-17 01:37:16]


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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

They could have come up with something more eye-catching . The flag on the tail...How boring .
How i love that he gives this nice plane to MS  Smile . I am a big fan of the A340's . This beard would be a nice addition to MS fleet instead of staying on the ground most of the time doing nothing but waiting for official tasks .



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 13):
They could have come up with something more eye-catching . The flag on the tail...How boring .

Not the most original of ideas eh?

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 13):
How i love that he gives this nice plane to MS Smile . I am a big fan of the A340's .

And with the low number of hours it would fit in well.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 13):
This beard would be a nice addition to MS fleet instead of staying on the ground most of the time doing nothing but waiting for official tasks .

I doubt Hosni and his entourage would let that happen.

The A342 is joined by a large fleet of Gulfstream jets:


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Shame we'll never get to see the interiors of these aircraft.


Horus



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
I really can't imagine what market MS had to DUR. It's a nice city but all traffic there is leisure orientated and I can't see large numbers of Egyptian tourists going there.

I read somewhere that DUR has a large population of wealthy south Asians ( correct me if i am wrong ) . I think MS was betting on them as possible transit
Pax to BOM and the then KHI routes .

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 13):
This beard would be a nice addition to MS fleet instead of staying on the ground most of the time doing nothing but waiting for official tasks

It is obvious that i meant Bird not Beard Big grin .

By the way Horus , looking at the pictures of T3 , i hope they will inaugurate it on time . It looks like there is a long way to go before they are done with the construction .



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 14):
The A342 is joined by a large fleet of Gulfstream jets:

The Gulfstreams look great, I managed to see about 3-4 of them in Sharm El Sheikh last year  Smile

They were surrounded by guards, any idea why they were there?

Here is a pic I took: (Sorry about the size, you can see one of the gulfstreams on the left)


Quoting Horus (Reply 12):

On a completely different note, what do you think of the modification to Hosni's jet:

Looks nice, although not as nice as the MS A340's  Smile

Where did she have the modification?

Horus on a side note...will both domestic and charter and Int'l operations also be served from the new terminal at SSH? What will happen to the current terminal?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 16):
They were surrounded by guards, any idea why they were there?

The Egyptian President has a second home at the resort. It's where PM Blair and his family have stayed during their Xmas holidays for the past 3 or 4 years.

Quoting B742 (Reply 16):
Where did she have the modification?

MS's engineering facility in CAI

Quoting B742 (Reply 16):
Horus on a side note...will both domestic and charter and Int'l operations also be served from the new terminal at SSH? What will happen to the current terminal?

To be honest I'm not sure how traffic will be split between T1 and T2.

The traffic breakdown for SSH in 2004 is as follows:

Total number of passengers: 4,533,584

Type of Traffic:
Domestic Non-Scheduled: 449,456
Domestic Scheduled: 358,050
International Non-Scheduled: 3,521,165
International Schedule: 204,913


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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Any reason why never AC attempted to fly Arab M/E route pre-9/11?

Although i don't know for sure what are the reasons , but i know that AC is quite happy and satisfied to be a feeder for LH through FRA .
AC operates twice daily from YYZ , once a day from YUL and once a day from YYC to FRA .



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 18):
Although i don't know for sure what are the reasons , but i know that AC is quite happy and satisfied to be a feeder for LH through FRA .

That's the same excuse...sorry reason...DL use (they feed their traffic through AF's services via CDG).


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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 7):
As for SYD/MEL, I think they are high on MS's list. I've been told they applied to serve SYD last year but couldn't get the slots they needed.

Back to Egypt Air's expansion , I know that British Airways are pulling out from Melbourne . With this move , the only European Airline that will have a presence in Melbourne is Austrian Airlines . Has MS applied for slots in Melbourne ? Or they prefer to fly to SYD first ?

[Edited 2006-03-25 04:01:18]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 20):
Back to Egypt Air's expansion , I know that British Airways are pulling out from Melbourne . With this move , the only European Airline that will have a presence in Melbourne is Austrian Airlines . Has MS applied for slots in Melbourne ? Or they prefer to fly to SYD first ?

I had heard last year the airline applied for slots at SYD to launch 3x weekly flights but no suitable slots were found at a feasible price.

BA's decision to terminate MEL will have little impact on the Egypt-Oz market. Instead of flying BA all the way CAI-LHR-SIN-MEL you would know fly CAI-LHR (BA) then LHR-SIN-MEL (QF). And considering the unique "Qantas/British Airways Joint Services Agreement" and OneWorld partnership there won't be a drop in capacity or rise in airfares.

And also MS have an agreement with SQ to handle their Egypt-Oz market. Here is what it shows in Egyptair's timetable if you check CAI-SYD:

CAI-SIN SQ427/MS9427 1-3-4-- 13:20/07:15 B773 (via DXB)
SIN-SYD SQ219/MS9219 -2-4-6- 09:40/20:15 B744
SYD-SIN SQ222/SQ9222 -2-4--7 15:40/21:55 B744
SIN-CAI SQ428/MS9248 -2-4--7 23:25/06:15 B773 (via DXB)


Back to your question slots are available at MEL and the city does have the largest Egyptian population in Australia, however SYD is where the expected yields are as it does not rely on the VFR market. Some might say that MS should launch MEL and build a customer base until SYD slots are available, which seems sound if the market is sustainable. Personally I would like MS to continue co-operation with SQ until the market warrants their return. Having said that if MS wants to operate profitably to Australia they need to act fast before the likes of EK, GF, QR really get a strangle hold on the market. However if MS join Star Alliance maybe it will mean relying solely on SQ to serve the market (although SQ would have to increase capacity and drop the DXB stop).

Sorry I couldn't give you a straight answer MSYYZ, but it's a tricky one. Remember Egyptair's Sydney route was cancelled in 2003 owing to losses that exceeded LE64 million a year.


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