AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3932 times:
I have no idea- heard it once before and can't remember. I remember a thread like this about 2 years ago when I was reading these forums but not yet a membet (joined last month!!) and subsequently was suprised not to see this question pop up more frequently! Good question- I'm eager to find out (and remember it once and for all!)
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Simong From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3681 times:
K = cone ing like L = lookt vart M = mat scap eye
From a Canadian who lived in A'dam ..... loved it and who's Dutch needs a lot of work !
The Dutch are the best ..... I mean the Best at learning other languages. So many Nederlanders I met spoke 4-5 or 6 languages ..... you guys rock and are the nicest, friendliest most down to earth people on the planet ..... don't change ..... the rest of the world needs to learn from you !
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3502 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 15): Yeah, it's not pronounced ck, it's the g sound that's sounds like you're hocking a loogie. Non-dutch speakers have the hardest time learning that one (that and ui, probably unique to dutch)
So is it ch or g that is pronounced like ch? Or both? I´m confused
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4337 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3414 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 18): The ch sound is similar in Swedish too, words like champagne and chaufför (chauffeur) are pronounced with that same Luchtvaart ch sound.
In Dutch the CH in Luchtvaart is a harder sound (not like the "SJ"sound in chauffeur or champage) , more like clearing your throat or the CH and G in German "Acht und achtzig"
I am sure JB Mitt who suggested "Luck vart" already adapted to the fact this hard CH/G sound is beyond the reach of most non dutch speakers and then "luck vart" is the closest they can get.
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Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3338 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 16): So is it ch or g that is pronounced like ch? Or both? Iï¿½m confused
It's the same sound, only written differently. Weird huh?
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 19): I am sure JB Mitt who suggested "Luck vart" already adapted to the fact this hard CH/G sound is beyond the reach of most non dutch speakers and then "luck vart" is the closest they can get.
Indeed, perhaps arabic speakers can also pronounce it, IIRC arabic has a similar sound, although don't ask me if it's also the g (or ch), I don't speak or write arabic.