Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1904 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 1): LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere.
not figuring headwinds, polar routes, airport temparature, etc. the distance from DXB-SFO is only 40-50nm more than CO's EWR-HKG 777-200ER route....
the -200LR's won't need a tech stop...but its not known if EK is going with the extra tanks on the -200LR.....
that being said, I think they probably will have a stop somewhere......
Quoting Curious (Reply 3): is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?
I don't think so, at least not initially.........
it will be interesting if EK flies to the West Coast via a tech stop or direct....
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1889 times:
DXB-LAX non stop.
Better pray it isnt 10 abreast in Economy on the 777LR. Whats that, like 15, 16 hours? Would they go Easterly, up over Iran, Russia, Bering straits, and down past SFO to LAX? Presume thats faster than going westerly?
They will do well with that route i suspect. Lots of High yield traffic.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7696 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1882 times:
I think EK will fly to the US West Coast with the 777-200LR--the only plane that could fly non-stop from DXB to SFO on more or less a full load.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22059 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1798 times:
Quoting Curious (Reply 3): is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?
No, but then again there is not much demand from many places to Dubai.
Emirates would instead do well in capturing West Coast traffic destined to places like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and a host of Middle Eastern destinations via its Dubai hub.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):
Emirates would instead do well in capturing West Coast traffic destined to places like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and a host of Middle Eastern destinations via its Dubai hub.
that would be a gamble, considering that AI already serve LAX and SFO soon, and PK are going to be serving LAX soon.....
their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........
Laxintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22059 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1642 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12): that would be a gamble, considering that AI already serve LAX and SFO soon, and PK are going to be serving LAX soon.....
their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........
Not a gamble at all. There is incredible traffic between California and a place like India. European carriers like Lufthansa, KLM along with Asian carriers such as Malaysian and Singapore do brisk business with such traffic.
Emirates should be easily be able to muscle into this market. Look at how well Emirates has done at JFK, already having gone double daily with a vast amount of connectivity options beyonf DXB.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
SJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1574 times:
Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 15): The Bay Area has a relatively large Arab population. So I definitely think that there is enough demand to feed a 777 or maybe a A380 eventually.
Aeroflot777
About 120,000 according to this article. Offical Census figures show less. Not enough to sustain a route IMHO. I think they will need to continue to need to use a Hub a spoke somewhere.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1527 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14): Not a gamble at all. There is incredible traffic between California and a place like India. European carriers like Lufthansa, KLM along with Asian carriers such as Malaysian and Singapore do brisk business with such traffic.
correct.......but if one wants to fly to DEL from SFO/LAX...one can fly.
SFO-LAX-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL, etc.
with EK, unless they don't fly nonstop...it might be........
SFO-BRU-DXB-DEL......and that is my point............part of the reason EK is successful with JFK because they can go..
JFK-DXB-DEL.......
if EK fly nonstop SFO-DXB, then they will be competitive.....
Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 16): About 120,000 according to this article. Offical Census figures show less. Not enough to sustain a route IMHO. I think they will need to continue to need to use a Hub a spoke somewhere.
if EK can fly direct SFO-DXB and offer good fares, then they can get Pakistanis and Indians also.....which will make market much larger!
Laxintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22059 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1506 times:
Irregardless nonstop or onestop to Dubai from the West Coast Emirates will capture a significant amount of traffic.
The masses that currently fly carriers such as Singapore and Malaysian double stop anyways in places such as TPE, NRT before reaching SIN/KUL for beyond connections to their final destinations.
Emirates also serves many secondary cities on the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East that require double connections anyways.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6885 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1492 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12): their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........
I'd much rather change planes in Dubai than Mumbai. Lets face it, India is a lot more than Mumbai, or Dehli. Besides, they only fly to LAX and have an added stop in FRA. So, if you're an Indian citizen wanting to fly from LAX to Bangalore, you have a stop in FRA which requires a transit visa and a change of planes in Mumbai. On Emirates, you could fly non-stop to Dubai and on to Bangalore.
As far the non-stop DXB-US West Coast, Emirates does operate the A345 which I believe can do the route non-stop without restrictions.
Thepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1454 times:
Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7): I think EK will fly to the US West Coast with the 777-200LR--the only plane that could fly non-stop from DXB to SFO on more or less a full load.
That is incorrect. Their A340-500s could easily make that trip on a full load. Also, the A346when it comes, (but probably with weight restrictions). Same with the 773ER.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 20): I'd much rather change planes in Dubai than Mumbai. Lets face it, India is a lot more than Mumbai, or Dehli. Besides, they only fly to LAX and have an added stop in FRA. So, if you're an Indian citizen wanting to fly from LAX to Bangalore, you have a stop in FRA which requires a transit visa and a change of planes in Mumbai. On Emirates, you could fly non-stop to Dubai and on to Bangalore.
true, but air carriers such as BA are now offering many destinations within India, and because SFO-LHR-BLR, SFO-LHR-DEL, etc. is operated out of LHR-Terminal 4, no visa is required, and once LHR-T5 is completed, connections should hopefully become even smoother.....
I wouldn't be surpised to see LH, AF, etc. eventually provide just as efficient routes also.....
I already see LH advertisement to India on ZeeTV..
...and I live in the West Coast....
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1413 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 19): The masses that currently fly carriers such as Singapore and Malaysian double stop anyways in places such as TPE, NRT before reaching SIN/KUL for beyond connections to their final destinations.
Emirates also serves many secondary cities on the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East that require double connections anyways.
Good points. Emirates is likely to add more connections to secondary cities in light of a new bilateral providing for 80% increase in number of seats. I would love to see a non-stop LAX-DXB timed to connect to DXB-MAA. It will be at least another 5 years before we see a non-stop LAX-MAA on AI utilizing a 787.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6885 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1397 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22): true, but air carriers such as BA are now offering many destinations within India
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22): I wouldn't be surpised to see LH, AF, etc. eventually provide just as efficient routes also
Absolutely but my comments were regarding AI's service. Nevertheless, Emirates serves more destinations in India and Pakistan than any of the European carriers. In addition, they also serve East Africa and the Middle East well.
25 MalpensaSFO: Think again, San Francisco, was one of the top 3 desired destinations for EK in North America after JFK, Houston.. SFO was one of the first airports
26 Kaitak744: Well, since none of EK's A340-500 routes really require the A340-500 (only JFK, which can also be done with a 777-300ER). EK will eventually have 10 f
27 Jacobin777: well..there is only one way to find out...."bring it on!"......
28 Behramjee: In 2004, Emirates officially secured from the French Govt and France's Civil Aviation Authorities the right to fly DAILY nonstop services from CDG to
29 RayChuang: I think if EK flies to the US West Coast from DXB they may configure a small number their A340-500's with roomier seating so the plane will have the
31 Curious: I wonder if they will capture much Iranian traffic, which I know LH, KLM etc do very well from LAX
32 EK380: Hey Emirates was ready to start the DXB-SFO way back in 2004. The only reason they backed out of it was that the fuel price hike back then and the cur
33 Curious: Naturally US side is expensive but dont they get cheap fuel on the outbound in UAE?
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