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EK LAX/SFO When?  
User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Hi much talk about thsi new route but do we now when its planned, what frequency, aircraft. What is the delay for is it from teh US side?

Cheers

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere.

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4007 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere

The B777 can tech stop in ARN. We will need the work when we lose MH!


User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

When are they expecting delivery of A380's is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
When are they expecting delivery of A380's is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

Well, right now there is none since nobody is flying the route directly Big grin


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere.

not figuring headwinds, polar routes, airport temparature, etc. the distance from DXB-SFO is only 40-50nm more than CO's EWR-HKG 777-200ER route....

the -200LR's won't need a tech stop...but its not known if EK is going with the extra tanks on the -200LR.....

that being said, I think they probably will have a stop somewhere......

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

I don't think so, at least not initially.........

it will be interesting if EK flies to the West Coast via a tech stop or direct....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

DXB-LAX non stop.

Better pray it isnt 10 abreast in Economy on the 777LR. Whats that, like 15, 16 hours? Would they go Easterly, up over Iran, Russia, Bering straits, and down past SFO to LAX? Presume thats faster than going westerly?

They will do well with that route i suspect. Lots of High yield traffic.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8016 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

I think EK will fly to the US West Coast with the 777-200LR--the only plane that could fly non-stop from DXB to SFO on more or less a full load.

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

That must be an amazing route to fly...right over the North Pole




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User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 2):
The B777 can tech stop in ARN. We will need the work when we lose MH!

That is not a bad idea. EK want to fly to Scandinavia and soon EK start DXB-CPH with an A332. DXB-ARN-SFO with a B777-300 sonds like an option.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

No, but then again there is not much demand from many places to Dubai.

Emirates would instead do well in capturing West Coast traffic destined to places like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and a host of Middle Eastern destinations via its Dubai hub.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineYOWza From Nepal, joined Jul 2005, 4887 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

This is still ages away. I doubt EK will be able to take these potential routes far.

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):

Emirates would instead do well in capturing West Coast traffic destined to places like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and a host of Middle Eastern destinations via its Dubai hub.

that would be a gamble, considering that AI already serve LAX and SFO soon, and PK are going to be serving LAX soon.....

their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

what is the distance between DXB-LAX can a 744 do it?

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
that would be a gamble, considering that AI already serve LAX and SFO soon, and PK are going to be serving LAX soon.....

their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........

Not a gamble at all. There is incredible traffic between California and a place like India. European carriers like Lufthansa, KLM along with Asian carriers such as Malaysian and Singapore do brisk business with such traffic.

Emirates should be easily be able to muscle into this market. Look at how well Emirates has done at JFK, already having gone double daily with a vast amount of connectivity options beyonf DXB.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

The Bay Area has a relatively large Arab population. So I definitely think that there is enough demand to feed a 777 or maybe a A380 eventually.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 15):
The Bay Area has a relatively large Arab population. So I definitely think that there is enough demand to feed a 777 or maybe a A380 eventually.

Aeroflot777

About 120,000 according to this article. Offical Census figures show less. Not enough to sustain a route IMHO. I think they will need to continue to need to use a Hub a spoke somewhere.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...le=/c/a/2005/03/09/MNGHLBMJCN1.DTL


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Quoting Curious (Reply 13):
what is the distance between DXB-LAX can a 744 do it?

The only 747's that EK fly are cargo aircraft so this is not an option


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
Not a gamble at all. There is incredible traffic between California and a place like India. European carriers like Lufthansa, KLM along with Asian carriers such as Malaysian and Singapore do brisk business with such traffic.

correct.......but if one wants to fly to DEL from SFO/LAX...one can fly.

SFO-LAX-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL, etc.

with EK, unless they don't fly nonstop...it might be........

SFO-BRU-DXB-DEL......and that is my point............part of the reason EK is successful with JFK because they can go..

JFK-DXB-DEL.......

if EK fly nonstop SFO-DXB, then they will be competitive.....

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 16):
About 120,000 according to this article. Offical Census figures show less. Not enough to sustain a route IMHO. I think they will need to continue to need to use a Hub a spoke somewhere.

if EK can fly direct SFO-DXB and offer good fares, then they can get Pakistanis and Indians also.....which will make market much larger!



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Irregardless nonstop or onestop to Dubai from the West Coast Emirates will capture a significant amount of traffic.

The masses that currently fly carriers such as Singapore and Malaysian double stop anyways in places such as TPE, NRT before reaching SIN/KUL for beyond connections to their final destinations.

Emirates also serves many secondary cities on the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East that require double connections anyways.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8362 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........

I'd much rather change planes in Dubai than Mumbai. Lets face it, India is a lot more than Mumbai, or Dehli. Besides, they only fly to LAX and have an added stop in FRA. So, if you're an Indian citizen wanting to fly from LAX to Bangalore, you have a stop in FRA which requires a transit visa and a change of planes in Mumbai. On Emirates, you could fly non-stop to Dubai and on to Bangalore.

As far the non-stop DXB-US West Coast, Emirates does operate the A345 which I believe can do the route non-stop without restrictions.


User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7):
I think EK will fly to the US West Coast with the 777-200LR--the only plane that could fly non-stop from DXB to SFO on more or less a full load.

That is incorrect. Their A340-500s could easily make that trip on a full load. Also, the A346when it comes, (but probably with weight restrictions). Same with the 773ER.



From YVR
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
SFO-LAX-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL, etc.

I should have stated SFO-LHR-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL....

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 20):
I'd much rather change planes in Dubai than Mumbai. Lets face it, India is a lot more than Mumbai, or Dehli. Besides, they only fly to LAX and have an added stop in FRA. So, if you're an Indian citizen wanting to fly from LAX to Bangalore, you have a stop in FRA which requires a transit visa and a change of planes in Mumbai. On Emirates, you could fly non-stop to Dubai and on to Bangalore.

true, but air carriers such as BA are now offering many destinations within India, and because SFO-LHR-BLR, SFO-LHR-DEL, etc. is operated out of LHR-Terminal 4, no visa is required, and once LHR-T5 is completed, connections should hopefully become even smoother.....

I wouldn't be surpised to see LH, AF, etc. eventually provide just as efficient routes also.....

I already see LH advertisement to India on ZeeTV.. biggrin 
...and I live in the West Coast....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 19):
The masses that currently fly carriers such as Singapore and Malaysian double stop anyways in places such as TPE, NRT before reaching SIN/KUL for beyond connections to their final destinations.

Emirates also serves many secondary cities on the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East that require double connections anyways.

Good points. Emirates is likely to add more connections to secondary cities in light of a new bilateral providing for 80% increase in number of seats. I would love to see a non-stop LAX-DXB timed to connect to DXB-MAA. It will be at least another 5 years before we see a non-stop LAX-MAA on AI utilizing a 787.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8362 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
true, but air carriers such as BA are now offering many destinations within India



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
I wouldn't be surpised to see LH, AF, etc. eventually provide just as efficient routes also

Absolutely but my comments were regarding AI's service. Nevertheless, Emirates serves more destinations in India and Pakistan than any of the European carriers. In addition, they also serve East Africa and the Middle East well.


25 MalpensaSFO : Think again, San Francisco, was one of the top 3 desired destinations for EK in North America after JFK, Houston.. SFO was one of the first airports
26 Kaitak744 : Well, since none of EK's A340-500 routes really require the A340-500 (only JFK, which can also be done with a 777-300ER). EK will eventually have 10 f
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : well..there is only one way to find out...."bring it on!"......
28 Behramjee : In 2004, Emirates officially secured from the French Govt and France's Civil Aviation Authorities the right to fly DAILY nonstop services from CDG to
29 RayChuang : I think if EK flies to the US West Coast from DXB they may configure a small number their A340-500's with roomier seating so the plane will have the
30 Jacobin777 : wow...that might hurt AF!!
31 Curious : I wonder if they will capture much Iranian traffic, which I know LH, KLM etc do very well from LAX
32 EK380 : Hey Emirates was ready to start the DXB-SFO way back in 2004. The only reason they backed out of it was that the fuel price hike back then and the cur
33 Curious : Naturally US side is expensive but dont they get cheap fuel on the outbound in UAE?
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