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Airbus To Announce New A340 Deal Soon  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14184 times:

According to a press report Airbus expects to "announce double-diggit sales of the aircraft soon". Quote from Noel Forgeard.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6871 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14149 times:

Seems unlikely to be any airline other than QR. Stiill, good news for the programme if it happens.

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13997 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Seems unlikely to be any airline other than QR.

LH might order some more, together with some more A380's, to replace their 744s, instead of buying the 748. And then there's offcourse SIA that is expected to anounce a widebody order soon, aswell as QF. Maybe the dubbel digit number involves more than one airline.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6325 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13967 times:

Good news for the A340! I suspect it is QR but you never know.  Smile

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13937 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 2):
then there's offcourse SIA

With their current fleet of 777's I find it highly unlikely that they would go for a340's, unless some a345's. But then it wouldn't be a double-digit order. I suspect QR as well. Would be great news for Airbus, but I still hope for a new A346 customer.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13866 times:
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How about Etihad or Emirates or Oman Air? Perhaps test flights of the A340-600HGW has surpassed expectations and A has briefed the airlines about that...


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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13866 times:

I highly doubt SIA or QF. Most likely, LH or QR.

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13768 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 4):
With their current fleet of 777's I find it highly unlikely that they would go for a340's, unless some a345's. But then it wouldn't be a double-digit order. I suspect QR as well. Would be great news for Airbus, but I still hope for a new A346 customer.

If SQ order 10 A345, than it would be a double digit order.  Wink

My money is on Qatar placing an order for the A340.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13718 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
My money is on Qatar placing an order for the A340.

I would put my money on QR and QR ONLY.


User currently offlineRICARDOAB From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13534 times:

Well LH is expected to make a wide-body order this month so it wouldn't be surprising if they added to their A340-600 fleet.

User currently offlineTigerotor77W From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13465 times:

We've been surprised by orders larger than this one... so there certainly is a possibility that SQ or QF have finalized their extra-long-haul decision...

User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13411 times:

Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 10):
We've been surprised by orders larger than this one... so there certainly is a possibility that SQ or QF have finalized their extra-long-haul decision...

welcome to A.net. Smile

I don't think we'll see QF purchase the A340......SQ would be interesting...never know with them, but I'm going with TinkerBelle on this...it will probably be QR.......



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13338 times:

Its clearly QR, but just in case...

Some Other Contenders OTTOMH:

Aerolineas Argentinas
Virgin Atlantic
Virgin Blue
Mexicana
Iberia
Sri Lankan
Thai
China Eastern
SAS
SAA



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKangar From Ireland, joined Feb 2000, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13202 times:

One point worth making in relation to the A346 is that despite the various topics around it on A.Net, it is actually a good aircraft, and airlines operating it can expect it to fulfil their requirements very nicely, (early teething issues notwithstanding) - it's just unfortunate for the A346 that it's direct competitor happens to be one of the best aircraft ever built!

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13146 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
Aerolineas Argentinas
Virgin Atlantic
Virgin Blue
Mexicana
Iberia
Sri Lankan
Thai
China Eastern
SAS
SAA

Well, VS ordered ten more a year ago. Is Virgin Blue also going international? If so the a346 would be a bit big for them. I would think they would order the 787 or a350. The a346 is IMHO also too big for Mexicana, SAS and Sri Lankan. They both currently operate only smaller aircraft. You never know with chinese orders of course, so China Eastern might be a possibility. Thai may be also a possibility, but they have some 772's coming right? As for SAA, I have no idea. Could be a possibility if they want to replace the 744's with a 380's (like rumoured recently) and more a346's.
But with the recent cancellation of the LOI for the 773's by Qatar, it seems like too much of a co-incidence that now a a340 order is looming.

Just my humble opinion...

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
If SQ order 10 A345, than it would be a double digit order.

That would make airbus' day allright, an order for 10 a345's by SQ!!!



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12698 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 14):
You never know with chinese orders of course, so China Eastern might be a possibility. Thai may be also a possibility, but they have some 772's coming right?

MU already has 5 A346s, and IIRC, an option on another 5.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12572 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 15):
Quoting Kappel (Reply 14):
You never know with chinese orders of course, so China Eastern might be a possibility. Thai may be also a possibility, but they have some 772's coming right?

MU already has 5 A346s, and IIRC, an option on another 5.

Not entirely out of the realms of possibility that they may sign for ten more then?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12317 times:

Philippine Airlines, though in financial problems have been rumored to order A346 for some time now. It was believed to be ordered at the Singapore air show.

Could this be the PR order for 10 to replace its current 6 B744's.

Drew



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12317 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):

If SQ order 10 A345, than it would be a double digit order.

If SQ were to sell their five A340-500s to Airbus and then lease ten from Airbus (probably the best deal Airbus can hope to get from SQ now), then one could arguably call that a double-digit order, but I would not.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12187 times:

I think QR is most likely. But what about Etihad?

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11465 times:

Gulf Air
Finnair
Qatar
Etihad
Lufthansa
Emirates
SAS
Turkish
Royal Jordanian
British Airways

Take youre pick  Wink



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User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2470 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

"Noel Forgeard said Airbus could keep the long-distance jet as a niche aircraft but acknowledged its four-engine design, unpopular with airlines except for those flying polar routes, was a "shortcoming"."

So much for the once highly touted "4 engines 4 the long-haul" strategy. But I give Noel credit here in being more realistic than his pitchman, Leahy. Not surprising he'd want to put out an announcement like this; news of ANY new order is desperately needed to help restore lagging confidence in the A340's continued viability. Quite frankly, I doubt any potential NEW customers would really go for the recent Airbus suggestion that the company might monetarily compensate for the fuel-burn (vs. the 777) deficit; it sounds a lot like U.S. carmakers offering rebates to sell lagging models against foreign competition, rather lame. Also, current A340 operators would be up in arms if they didn't get it, also. I agree with speculation a big order is for a current large A340 operator expanding their fleet; it then makes no sense to switch to another type. The only question now is WHO?


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 17):
Philippine Airlines, though in financial problems have been rumored to order A346 for some time now.

I wouldn't expect a "double diget" order from PR.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 20):
British Airways

Huh?  confused 



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11343 times:

Wasn´t "4 engines 4 long hauls" a gimmick from VS R. Branson and not Airbus?

Micke//SWE  Confused



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11245 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 23):
Wasn´t "4 engines 4 long hauls" a gimmick from VS R. Branson and not Airbus?

It was but then Airbus used it to advertise the A346.


25 Luisde8cd : It could be Venezuela's state-owned airline Conviasa. They already got an A342 from UX and they said they plan to get more long-haul planes for future
26 RJ111 : So this isn't the Enhanced version. I thought that was the only version QR where interested in?
27 Post contains links EGNR : Kingfisher is another possibility, although the last news I saw said that they were in talks with Airbus for 6 A340-600, not a 'double digit' order. l
28 Thepilot : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe EK has already placed a large order for A346HGWs and a few A345s. I would be suprised if they would dip back in
29 Kaitak744 : Well, I really don't see Emirates ever ordering another A340. I also don't see any 777 airlines like BA ordering the A340. The most likely is either
30 Sevenforeseven : Please someone tell me its not more for VS.
31 SFORunner : The A346 is one of the few options Virgin Blue have (that exist today) if they want to fly Australia -> Mainland USA within the next year or so.
32 Boeingguy1 : HA! The best joke ive heard all night.
33 AA1818 : I suspect the world would hear about this if it was true. Aibus love their publicity and I love Airbus for their publicity stunts. However, it is pos
34 Dannypro45 : Very good chance that is could be Gf as they were in the market with cash of around 900mil$ to replace there 9 767's and they already have a fleet of
35 Monteycarlos : DJ more than likely will not go International, however it is likely that the Virgin Group will form a larger airline out of the Pacific Blue group wh
36 Ruscoe : Is it remotely possible that the order is in fact for the 343 rather than 6 or 5.? Ruscoe
37 Monteycarlos : Could be... they sold a couple last year if I remember correctly.
38 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : Want better? AMERICAN AIRLINES. Although the double digit may be only if you add up the additional A300-600Rs they are trying to order. You know, Air
39 Tigerotor77W : Thank you! I also don't expect SQ to go for the A340, but my point was just thatwe have seen weirder orders in our time.
40 Zvezda : Remotely possible. Boeing just sold another B767, though perhaps not to an airline.
41 Aerosol : LAN-Chile? They wanted to replace their 343 according to this forum. Just more speculation of course - if this would the qatar order it would be a bit
42 PM : Not really. QR announced the intention to acquire up to 20 777s last year. If Airbus has been able to persuade them to drop that idea and take a comp
43 N405MX : Maybe, but they can go (and they want) for the A345.
44 Tifoso : The Qatar CEO made it clear that no LOI was signed with Boeing. It was just a verbal agreement, I assume something similar to what BA announced yeste
45 CRJ900 : Doesn't Etihad have 4 x A345 and 4 x A346HGW on order (+ 4 x A380 and 12 x A332)?
46 TinkerBelle : Wait, would Boeing hold slots for an airline on a verbal agreement? I believe Boeing had held slots for QR which ended up being QF's when they made t
47 Post contains links Tifoso : Here's an exact quote from the story in FI: http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...atar+reopens+widebody+contest.html Yes. Those were refundable depos
48 Thorben : Yes, Etihad has 8 A340s on order. I think they only bought those T7s because they could get them earlier. No ruled out that they'll buy more A340s if
49 EI321 : I would expect Airbus to mention that the order is for a new customer if it is goiing to be an airline which has not already ordered the A346.
50 Ikramerica : Don't go there. There's a whole different discussion in the archive about this, including why your rebate analysis (and your false claim that only U.
51 FlyingHippo : Gulf Air - Possible, but not sure if they'll order double digits. Finnair - eh... Didn't they just order a few A350s? They're no EK. Qatar - I think
52 FlyingHippo : Do you know what model A340s EY has on order?
53 Thorben : 4 x -500 4 x -600 I'm expecting to see the first -500 very soon, because it has the production number 748, and 733 and 734 have already been fully pa
54 Andaman : AY also ordered 340s, first one coming 2007 (+ a used one from Virgin this summer)
55 FlyingHippo : Correct me if I'm wrong, weren't the A340s meant as a stop gap until A350s are delivered?
56 TinkerBelle : Finnair are getting a used A340 from VS in June. They are then getting new A340's as from 2007. I would think they would lease older A340's to stop t
57 AMSSFO : They probably got a very good deal from Airbus for new ones as interim solution until the A350 becomes available
58 Joni : You are in fact wrong, there was a thread about this earlier and the temporary nature of the A340s was found out to be a translation error IIRC.
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