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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 23654 times:

The link to this video has been emailed to me today and I wanted to shre it here. Sorry if this has been already posted. If so, please suggest deletion, I did not have time to go through the search engine.

regards  Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rirSWicCXFs&search=crash%20accident


Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 23651 times:
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I think the words "Oh, shit!" spring to mind.


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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 23629 times:

What the heck happened there ? Who knows more about that accident ?


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23578 times:

Interesting. Seems kind of weird to be sitting by the field just taking videos and then just saying in that deadpan voice "I cannot believe it." I'd be interested to know more of what the reasons behind it were.


"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineTigerotor77W From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23578 times:

Why does the camera pan to the ground for a second there?  Confused

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3531 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23540 times:

You would figure that the camera man would be saying stuff to himself as the airplane started to nose over and stall...like

"what the..."

or "uh oh..."

or just a good ole "f*ck"

but he is speechless until after getting blown over by the shockwave.



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User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23510 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 2):
What the heck happened there ? Who knows more about that accident ?

Dont ask me how I know ... but the accident was caused by some cargo shifting during takeoff. I remember reading about this a few years ago.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23510 times:

Disturbing...

http://www.aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19920827-1


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23477 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6):
but he is speechless until after getting blown over by the shockwave.

He falls forward. A shockwave would have knocked him backwards.



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23477 times:

The plane involved is in the A.net database:


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23432 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 2):
What the heck happened there ? Who knows more about that accident ?

If I recall correctly, the gust locks had not been removed before takeoff... Can't recall where I read that...

Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 5):
Why does the camera pan to the ground for a second there?

Probably because the guy is stunned at what he just saw...


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23432 times:

Strange that there just "happened" to be a camera next to the runway when an airplane takes off, rotating just where the camera is located, then does a zoom climb, wing over and crash all within easy range of the camera.

There is much more going on here than is apparent. I would like to know more about this. Is this a setup or is it a real incident?  frown 


User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23403 times:

Quoting L1329II (Reply 7):
Dont ask me how I know ... but the accident was caused by some cargo shifting during takeoff. I remember reading about this a few years ago.

ok... maybe not! Wrong airplane!  ashamed 


User currently offlineBlue_Angel From France, joined Jun 1999, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23403 times:

Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 5):

Kinda sure it's a fake. Look at the aircraft texture when it passes next to the camera... it has a "CGI feel" to it  Silly Also there's not even a small fire when the crash happens yet the fire is huge next... I think that's why the camera pans down, to blend the fake part (first one) and the real "fire video" (second one)... Plus the comment at the end...  Yeah sure

I'll advise you to read the comment of MensaJeff in the bottom of the page, I think he got it right  Smile


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23376 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 12):
Strange that there just "happened" to be a camera next to the runway when an airplane takes off, rotating just where the camera is located, then does a zoom climb, wing over and crash all within easy range of the camera.

There is much more going on here than is apparent. I would like to know more about this. Is this a setup or is it a real incident?

From the link in reply#8...
Narrative:
The aircraft took off for a test flight for a turbine-engine conversion programme. It climbed steeply, rolled to the right and crashed in a nose-down, rightwing-low attitude.


Being a test flight (after some conversion work) it's not that far-fetched that someone (presumably from the outfit that did the work) would be out there videoing, and have special access to the airport.


User currently offlineWOA777 From El Salvador, joined Feb 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23335 times:

They forgot to remove the "control locks", the plane rotated on its own and then they realised that they had a "Stiff" control wheel and could not move it at all ..... Nothing they could after that!!!! May they rest in peace!!!!!
Ther was no cargo shift!!! This was a test flight!!!


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23335 times:

Quoting Blue_Angel (Reply 14):
I'll advise you to read the comment of MensaJeff in the bottom of the page, I think he got it right

Did you miss the part where the guy posted the link to the accident report, it is real the dates match and it woudlnt be too surprising to video a test flight if it was something new.


User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23335 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2297994


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User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23335 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 12):
Strange that there just "happened" to be a camera next to the runway when an airplane takes off, rotating just where the camera is located, then does a zoom climb, wing over and crash all within easy range of the camera.

There is much more going on here than is apparent. I would like to know more about this. Is this a setup or is it a real incident?

The link in Reply 8 suggests that the a/c was on a test flight with a new engine turbine - with that in mind, perhaps its less surprising that some guy was recording it?



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23300 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 3):
That was some of the worst flying I've ever seen, no wonder he crashed.

Don´t write something like that if you don´t know what happend.
The pilots had no chance at all!

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
If I recall correctly, the gust locks had not been removed before takeoff... Can't recall where I read that...

That is what happend.


There was a thread several months back with this video.


User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23207 times:

Quoting WOA777 (Reply 16):
Ther was no cargo shift!!! This was a test flight!!!

Yep! I posted too soon. I got this one confused with another crash. The one I was thinking about was a DC3 I believe in southern FLA (FLL Maybe) a couple of years ago where the weight shifted upon takeoff and the thing crashed into a nearby neighborhood.


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23207 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 3):
That was some of the worst flying I've ever seen, no wonder he crashed.

nice comment, degrade the guy after he is dead when obviously he had no control. Ill be you aren't a pilot.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23160 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 22):
Quoting AA777223 (Reply 3):
That was some of the worst flying I've ever seen, no wonder he crashed.

nice comment, degrade the guy after he is dead when obviously he had no control. Ill be you aren't a pilot.

As harsh it might be, the final responsibility to remove the gust lock (therefore a thorough preflight - especially for a test flight), is with the pilot.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23128 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 23):
As harsh it might be, the final responsibility to remove the gust lock

This is true, but to call it the worst piloting he has seen is just a low blow


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23128 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 15):
The aircraft took off for a test flight for a turbine-engine conversion programme. It climbed steeply, rolled to the right and crashed in a nose-down, rightwing-low attitude.

Being a test flight (after some conversion work) it's not that far-fetched that someone (presumably from the outfit that did the work) would be out there videoing, and have special access to the airport.

That would explain the camera.

Quoting WOA777 (Reply 16):
They forgot to remove the "control locks", the plane rotated on its own and then they realised that they had a "Stiff" control wheel and could not move it at all ..... Nothing they could after that!!!! May they rest in peace!!!!!
Ther was no cargo shift!!! This was a test flight!!!

You would think that the pilot would check his controls before taking off -- particularly if it was a test flight after the aircraft had been modified.

It still looked like a cargo shift accident to me, but I will also admit that I could see no movements of the controls.

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots ... poor bastards.  sigh 


25 Post contains images Blue_Angel : I read it. I know the crash happened. I just said I suspect the first part of THIS Video to be a fake, like this guy MensaJeff. Look at the way the c
26 Pilotaydin : im not sure if the ailerons move or not, but it seems like they do just a lil bit after takeoff as it rolls right....... i just watched this 40 times
27 Bennett123 : I seem to remember a plane crashing at Sumbergh in 1979 for a similar reason.
28 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19790731-0
29 JAAlbert : So what is a "control lock" or "gust lock"? What function do they perform? How does the flight crew engage these and how are they disengaged? Is it pa
30 Corey07850 : They prevent the control surfaces from moving and banging around in high wind situations... Even in low wind conditions you can see the controls movi
31 CFIjames : In this accident it was not a normal "control lock" or "gust lock" installed in the cockpit. It was a lock on the control cables themselves, the kind
32 Litz : Noting the aformentioned check to see if the locks are removed, wouldn't this have been noticed later during the control surfaces checks when they di
33 Rolfen : This has already been posted, if I remember well.
34 Bond007 : Yes, although it wasn't your standard gust-lock as was earlier mentioned, so it probably might not have been noticed during pre-flight outside the ai
35 IFEMaster : I agree - if you really slow this down and watch it frame by frame, there is a frame flicker between when the camera pans down, and when it pans back
36 Post contains links and images MissedApproach : Like the man says, this has been posted before on this forum. It is in fact real. No, I am not down on you for not searching this out, it can be diff
37 Rolfen : -- sorry, redundant post --[Edited 2006-03-10 00:34:59]
38 Skibum9 : Real nice comment. I wish there was a least respected user list because you belong on it. How would you like it if you died a an accident, be it a ca
39 Post contains links and images Malaysia : I think this is more grissly while trying to land (The Caribou could not handle a 155mm shell from friendly fire) [Edited 2006-03-10 01:02:15]
40 Areopagus : That seems to be the usual reaction of amateur videographers. When they realize the plane is going to crash, they lower the camera to watch the actio
41 Post contains images FlightShadow : Definitely. That's an amazing video, I only wish the cameraman had not pointed the camera at the ground for X amount of time.
42 AA87 : I may sound like a crank, but could I request everyone refrain from flippant comments regarding crashes ? this video shows 3 people dying a sudden, ho
43 Sevenforeseven : The picture is nothing more than a fake. The model aircraft crashes and then suddenly the camera is taken off the crashed plane , when the camera goes
44 Legacytravel : Unfortunatly the crash is real. When they took off they rotated to far. ( I forget the proper terminology). I believe this problem was compounded by a
45 APFPilot1985 : Do you people read any of the responses before you type your own
46 Post contains links MDorBust : I suspect the same for your age and occupation entries in your user profile. This isn't exactly a hard incident to research. The person who took the
47 Baylorairbear : How many people have to provide the same, valid facts before everyone stops, whipes the muck out of their eyes, after having removed their heads from
48 EMBQA : Lets see... you just saw friends die in plane crash. I think you would do the samething and drop the camera in shock.
49 Sevenforeseven : OK Guys, if it is real I am sorry and take back what I have said. Respect to all those that perished.
50 RedFlyer : You'd be surprised how many crashes have occurred over the years because the pilot forgets or neglects to do something as basic as removing a control
51 BAW716 : I was watching for horizontal stabilizer/elevator movement at the point of rotation and aileron movement at the point the aircraft started to roll. Wh
52 BristolFlyer : The first part of the clip does look remarkably like something from MS Flight Sim, and then the flames seem to have established themselves very soon a
53 APFPilot1985 : I give up
54 Catball : I noticed in the linked fact sheet that this crash occured in Gimli, Manitoba. Is that the same Gimli of notorious glider fame ?? Scott
55 Darrenthe747 : i have watched it about 20 times in a row. maybe it's real... but watch closely. the camera airplane impacts the ground which looks very real, then th
56 Wukka : It starts out with DL777 overhead bins and ends up with this? This is like watching a plane crash through a viewfinder... oh wait, that's exactly what
57 YWG : You bet. It was the one race track (old parallel runway) just off in the distance in the video.
58 PureKiwi : By the looks this video is real but it was cut when the camera looks down. This could have been to save space for people still on a dial up connection
59 Jbguller : ^^ Unfortunately, there's not a lot you can do in this sort of situation. RIP to the 3 on board.
60 Post contains images David L : Quite. This thread has turned into a gold mine for our resident accident investigators and video "experts" . I can't believe some of the stuff I'm se
61 Horus380 : To me it seems like it is a giant model, especially with the guy you can hear saying i can't believe it is all over. If he just watched people die he
62 David L : You have a speech prepared for such an occasion?
63 FlyMIA : The accident did happen thats were the people got the idea to make the video. It is a fake video.
64 Post contains images CaptainCanuck : I just find it funny that people are arguing that its fake. I mean, clearly, the video quality is so close to HDTV, that it would be easy to spot CGI
65 BristolFlyer : I would as well if I'd run out of argument. BF
66 OPNLguy : This defies the application of the common sense test--why would someone fake a video to mimic the info in a crash report? It's a real video...
67 Rolfen : With "arguments" like that you'll never run out of arguments... no wonder the other persons are giving up
68 CV990 : Hi! I think the issue of some people here is the fact this video is so real that it's almost "fake"! I believe it's real from image 1 and I don't give
69 YukonTrader : Well, what else? You can't say what you or anyone else "would say" in that horrible situation before you actually know what you did say when you witn
70 EGGD : LOL. Lots of misinformed opinions here then!? CGI? Good one! By golly, check out how quickly the crashed aircraft becomes a flaming wreck! I can't be
71 Sevenair : It does seem to be real imho. The delay in the explosion (which is less than a second) could be due to the misting of the kerosene, which is why plane
72 Post contains images Malmoaviation : I use to do that kind of starts in Flight simulator 2006.. Scary...
73 Post contains images Rolfen : Maybe to post it on youtube.com so as to fool a.net members What a great way to spend one's time and money. This is not a model airplane that you see
74 Post contains images Jsqvl1 : ...What?, kinda of X-Files stuff .... The Thing was real!!
75 Socalfive : It's a pre-flight item "Check to see control surfaces are free and correct". As a pilot I can't imagine how it was missed, it's second nature.
76 Joness0154 : The video is not a fake. And there is a cut between when he pans the camera down, and when he focuses on the wreck again.
77 RICARIZA : I am with you. It is Fake. My thoughts exactly. I'll bet that was what happened.
78 Poitin : And also have someone outside telling you what the controls are doing if the plane has been worked on. A neighbor of mine, a ex-Delta pilot, told me
79 Post contains images Rolfen : Thats interesting... happy to know that your neighbour found out on time what was happening... the normal instinctive reaction when the aircraft roll
80 MDorBust : Amuseing, and a sad commentary on the population of this forum. As previously referanced, the video is real, and was shot by one Jim Hart Please re-r
81 Post contains images David L : The "what's your favourite livery?" brigade try to get technical. Fortunately it doesn't apply to everyone.
82 EGGD : And if you look closely when the wreck happens, the cameraman begins to run forward before he stops the camera. Then when the camera pans up again wh
83 YWG : I use to fly up in Gimli on a weekly basis, I can confirm this is indeed a true video. You can see the flight is taking off towards the south (YWG) an
84 EMBQA : Wow.. 83 threads on an accident that has been covered several times before and happened over 14 years ago..!! Unreal...
85 FlyMIA : Why not? People make videos of things for no reason, just for the fun of it, why cant they use a real crash? Why is that hard to belive?
86 David L : Because there's so much evidence that it really is video of people losing their lives while the so-called evidence that it's a fake is bollocks. Some
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