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1 UFO 787 On Boeing Site...  
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11212 times:

Wow. Who'd order 1? Maybe someone who placed orders and options for a small number added one, or CO firmed up 1 more but is working on the other 2 before announcing? Who else ordered a few but didn't firm them all up?

Maybe a VIP? Blair Force 1, with RR engines?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

Come to think of it, a 788 in VIP config would make a great Blair Force 1. Would have range above 772LR (in commercial trim) and could do non-stop to anywhere but New Zealand. And it's 1/2 the cost of the 772LR, but still 80% of the capacity. With RR engines and parts made all over the world, it's a very politically savvy plane to use for this purpose, even if it isn't an Airbus...


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

It is odd to just order one unless you are converting an option.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11184 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 2):
It is odd to just order one unless you are converting an option.

For that kind of plane, it's also odd to convert 1 option unless you only had a small order to begin with. So it would rule out carriers with larger orders and options, at least in my book. And of course, QF hasn't firmed their stuff up, but I doubt they are going to firm them up 1 by 1.  Wink



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11160 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
For that kind of plane, it's also odd to convert 1 option unless you only had a small order to begin with. So it would rule out carriers with larger orders and options, at least in my book. And of course, QF hasn't firmed their stuff up, but I doubt they are going to firm them up 1 by 1.

Agreed, so you think perhaps it is a grandiose BBJ then?



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User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11117 times:

Maybe NZ taking another option?


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11103 times:
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Quoting AT502B (Reply 5):
Maybe NZ taking another option?

That's what I tend to believe. Get the early delivery slot while it's still available.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10967 times:

Paul Allen to add to his 757's  biggrin 

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

Quoting AT502B (Reply 5):
Maybe NZ taking another option?

Sounds plausible, as they are one of the "small" carriers I'm talking about. Maybe Ethiopian exercising 1, but wanting to wait a few days to announce so as not to lose PR compared to the two new neighbors who bought 787/350 this week.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10750 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 7):
Paul Allen to add to his 757's  biggrin 

he could buy 1/2 the bloody company...with some spare change to buy another sports franchise.... biggrin 



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10593 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Sounds plausible, as they are one of the "small" carriers I'm talking about. Maybe Ethiopian exercising 1, but wanting to wait a few days to announce so as not to lose PR compared to the two new neighbors who bought 787/350 this week.

Considering the fact that ET's announcements (routes, aircraft) are usually lower key than other airlines, I don't think they would hold it back until the current hooplah at KQ and IY winds down.


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10563 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
compared to the two new neighbors who bought 787/350 this week.

{Nitpick on}

Kenya is Ethiopia's neighbor but Yemen isn't  biggrin 

{Nitpick off}


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

Maybe RAM is excersing an option or maybe even CO?


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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 11):
{Nitpick on}

Kenya is Ethiopia's neighbor but Yemen isn't biggrin

{Nitpick off}

{Nitpick on}
So you think New Zealand has no neigbours either? Or Great Britain? or any other island? And what about USA and Cuba? Spain and Morocco? etc etc.
With only 50 kilometer of sea in between I would consider Ethiopia and Yemen neigbours.
{Nitpick off}


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10356 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 13):
So you think New Zealand has no neigbours either? Or Great Britain? or any other island? And what about USA and Cuba? Spain and Morocco? etc etc.
With only 50 kilometer of sea in between I would consider Ethiopia and Yemen neigbours.

{nit pick mode really on}

You wanna go there, fine. Eritrea is between Ethiopia and the Red sea....That means btwn Ethiopia and Yemen, there is Eritrea AND the Red sea....and where the hell did you get the 50 kilometers figure from??  confused 

I would say Yemen's neigbors are Djibouti, Somalia and Eritrea.

{Nitpick mode off}


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10340 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 13):
With only 50 kilometer of sea in between

50 Kilometers of sea between Yemen and Eritrea, NOT Ethiopia.


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 14):
You wanna go there, fine. Eritrea is between Ethiopia and the Red sea....That means btwn Ethiopia and Yemen, there is Eritrea AND the Red sea..

You're right! Forgot about the existence of Eritrea as an independent country. My bad.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10090 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 11):
Kenya is Ethiopia's neighbor but Yemen isn't

wait, so someone two doors down is not my neighbor? hmm, why do they call it a neighborhood then?

nit picks something that matters.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
wait, so someone two doors down is not my neighbor? hmm, why do they call it a neighborhood then?

So where does the neighborhood end? 3rd, 4th, 5th or maybe 12th house down? I guess I'm your neighbor then since we live in teh same state  Yeah sure

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
nit picks something that matters.

It depends on to whom it matters. Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it dosn't matter to someone else.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10006 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 18):
It depends on to whom it matters. Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it dosn't matter to someone else.

No. You are defining the word "neighbor" as you want to and saying anyone else using it any other way is WRONG.

I am well aware that Yemen doesn't touch Ethiopia, but they are close to each other and in the same neck of the woods.

Neighborhood: a district, area, locality, locale, quarter, community; part, region, zone; informal neck of the woods, hood, nabe, stomping ground, stamping ground.

It has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING NEXT TO SOMEONE.

If you are going to nitpick, why not look up the words you are nitpicking. Might not sound so ignorant.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9992 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
If you are going to nitpick, why not look up the words you are nitpicking. Might not sound so ignorant.

..and if you looked up the word 'nitpick', you might not sound that ignorant either.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9974 times:

Can we get back to the mystery of the unidentified 787 order? We can start a separate thread on geography later

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9949 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 20):
..and if you looked up the word 'nitpick', you might not sound that ignorant either.

uhm, you don't seem to know what that word means, either.

a pedantic interpretation of the rules overscrupulous, scrupulous, precise, exact, perfectionist, punctilious, meticulous, fussy, fastidious, finicky; dogmatic, purist, literalist, literalistic, formalist; casuistic, casuistical, sophistic, sophistical; captious, hair-splitting, quibbling; informal nitpicking, persnickety.

By saying Yemen and Ethiopia are not neighbors, you are NOT being precise, exact, meticulous or literal because you don't know the meaning of the word neighbor.

Yemen and Ethiopia are neighbors. To claim them not to be is wrong. I never claimed you weren't nitpicking. Just proving you wrong in doing so. Thus your ignorance.



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User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9664 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Sounds plausible, as they are one of the "small" carriers I'm talking about. Maybe Ethiopian exercising 1, but wanting to wait a few days to announce so as not to lose PR compared to the two new neighbors who bought 787/350 this week.

I thought ET initially ordered 5 with 5 options. And then used up all the 5 options bringing the total to 10. So they have no more options to exercise. Correct me if I'm wrong


User currently offlineJfr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

Quoting AT502B (Reply 5):

That's my guess as well. They've been eating this elephant one spoonful at a time all along.


25 Glideslope : I'd say it's about time to " hug your neighbor."
26 Post contains images TinkerBelle : I'll have to wait for a member from Cuba since he/she's in my neck of the woods 'To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details.' Life
27 BEYauty : (Nit pick x2 on) I think you meant to say that Ethiopia is Kenya's neighbor but Yemen isn't (meaning Yemen isn't Kenya's neighbor) (Nit pick x2 off)
28 N328KF : That's OK. Ethiopia forgets about that, too. That was actually my first suspicion. Not necessarily for the RAF, but some sort of VIPmobile.
29 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Actually no. I meant it the way it is.... as in Ethiopia is not Yemen's neighbor... but like someone noted, they're in the same 'neck of the woods' (
30 Spruit : Isn't this just so typical of A.net threads, start off with all good intent and end up in a slaggin match between two (possibly more) people about so
31 PanAm_DC10 : Not that I went OT in the first place I'd be more than happy to oblige sir. That or it's someone whom didn't order the original amount which they sta
32 Dalecary : It's almost certainly for LCAL.
33 StudentFlyer : Any chance it would be GA (Garuda)? On a sidenote, I heard they were ordering 10 with a couple of options, could someone verify this?
34 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : No I believe it is whom I stated, LCAL. Garuda's order is a bit "fuzzy" if you'll excuse the terminology. When it was initially reported it was my un
35 Post contains images StudentFlyer : PanAm_DC10, Thanks for your confirmation on that and the detailed information. I do wonder how an airline like GA can order 787 if they themselves are
36 PM : Have LCAL placed any of their 787s yet?
37 PanAm_DC10 : Yes, 11 x 788s and 3 x 789s. 6 of the 788s have RR engines whilst the others are yet to be listed as to what will power them. Regards PanAm_DC10 [EDI
38 Atmx2000 : I believed he wanted to know where the aircraft would be going.
39 Post contains images PM : Yes, but it's late in Sydney. Go easy on him.
40 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : I'd say you got me fair and square there sir, really well too! That I had to edit my post from 738s & 739s is testament to the fact that I missed the
41 Post contains images PM : Oh, here we go again! OK, I'll bite. Gulf sounds credible. Oman are looking for widebodies. Not QR. Not EK. EY...? Hmmm, doubt it, somehow. Saudia? N
42 Ikramerica : Yeah, since it's not actually a place, but a region, that does include some african countries and asian countries, and sometimes people count turkey
43 PanAm_DC10 : They are not for a Turkish Carrier, that is, the 6 I referred too. Regards, PanAm_DC10
44 Mptpa : May be it is Icalandair. They only ordered 2, but I am sure they would love to get these birds to replace their 757s and 767s eventually.
45 Ikramerica : That's a decent proposal.
46 Post contains images PurdueAv2003 : Ok, I'll fess up. The wife said we needed a new vehicle, so I said, "Hey, why not a 787!" Don't tell anyone, though. It's going to be a surprise!
47 StudentFlyer : Hi PanAm_DC10, thanks for the information on that.. It's just ridiculous IMHO for Garuda to buy 10 firm and 10 option, as they don't really operate th
48 Post contains images PM : It's an interesting one. Like most geographical concepts of this sort, it's almost impossible to define but it can be a useful label. Strictly speaki
49 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : StudentFlyer Yes, it is interesting, the more so that this order will most likely be at the expense of their deferred 777 order. What's even better i
50 StudentFlyer : Hi PanAm_DC10, I really appreciate that info you gave me. It's been a while since I was in this forums, thus my lack of up-to-date information, but ye
51 PM : Buying one more implies that they've placed it. But they still have five (unplaced?) 787-8s (and three 787-9s) from their December order. If they've
52 Zkojh : well, bit of a clue its not NZ, yet, were not ordering anything for another 2 months at least, and this will be a follow on order from some of our 42
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