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Flying In Argentina...A Whole Different Animal!  
User currently offlineERJ145LR From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Hello, I wanted to share an experience i encounered flying aerolineas argentinas. First off, flying in argentina is great, it is just VERY different from flying in the usa or europe. I flew from buenos aires aeroparque to iguazu. Here is what i found very interesting and different:
-passenegers can up and walk around whenever they want, despite the seatbelt sign.
-we flew over the magnificant iguazu falls, and the pilot announced we were flying over it and it would be on the right side of the plane, well were on our final approach when this happened, and the entire left side of the plane stood up and went to the right side to get a glimps, the pilot even lowered the right wing to give a better view. The flight attendants said nothing and even watched out the window with all the passengers. It was cool, but never would have been allowed in the u.s.!
-The pilots allowed the f/a's to open the cockpit door whenever they wanted, and it ended up that the door remained open for almost the entire flight, even during landing! It was very cool to watch, but certain;y not safe, and most likely against numerous rules!

+++well it was a great experience to be on a relaxed flight with no rules, something you would never experiecne on an airline in the u.s.

has anyone ever experieced flights like this? In argentina, or where? Thanks

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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
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Flight crews around the world are not nearly as sensitized to the concept of cockpit security as are American crews, but that is certainly understandable. I have been on IB internal flights where the cockpit door remained open through the entire takeoff and climbout. And I was on an AM 757 out of ATL where the captain spent a good 20-30 minutes in the forward galley with the cockpit door ajar.

User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

The beauty of the Latin countries, where the law is just a nice ideal that everybody knows can't and shouldn't always be enforced!  Wink LOL...

User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Oh come on lets not make it a 'Latin' thing now. Sure the law is a matter of choice in many instances, but in the past such behavior was not that unusual in other parts of the world.

Certainly, since the use of planes as missiles in the US, things have changed and obviously for good reasons.

Since there is no risk of such an attack in Argentina, of course things are more relaxed.



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User currently offlineERJ145LR From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

I am not at all complainign about it, and it certainly does not make me nervous. In fact, i loved it!

User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Thank God a country where fliyng is still enjoyable!!!
This is what I want!!! Flying should be fun.
Flying in the US is a pain, the airport checks, pay for food and anything you do onboard is suspicious...no fun at all.
I know, security first...


USADreamliner Big grin


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Sounds like flying in South Africa. Haven't been since 2002 but from the domestic flights I took you'd never know security was a problem. What a joy those were. No prison matron FAs, open cockpit door, very friendly service (BA/Comair), reminded me of what I miss about flying in a post-9/11 world.

User currently offlineGoldenArgosy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Sounds very similar to a roundtrip Royal Jordanian flight I took from JFK to AMM (with a quick stop in AMS) in 1994. Passengers were up and pulling their items out of the overhead bins seconds after landing while the plane was still braking down the runway. Seriously, like half the passengers were up and nobody said nothing. Nothing fazed this amazingly friendly flight crew. Totally mellow. The plane was a social event the whole way with everyone up and mixing with one another. Changing seats and talking and making friends.

It was perhaps one of the best flights I ever took. L1011 all the way! I sat next to one of the, supposedly, two undercover flight security officers onboard -- at one point he fell asleep and his gun almost fell out of his pants. Also, being one of a small handful of westerners on the flight I was plied with alcohol throughout -- seemed as though if most the passengers were'nt drinking then they were going to make sure those who could make up for everyone else. Love crazy flights. Everything now seems way too corporate and boring. Glad to hear that you had one of those rare experiences in Argentina. Viva Argentina!

[Edited 2006-03-10 05:33:40]

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 2):
The beauty of the Latin countries, where the law is just a nice ideal that everybody knows can't and shouldn't always be enforced! Wink LOL...

You mean they are not supposed to serve only as guidelines?  Wink

Saludos  Smile



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineIl75 From Argentina, joined May 2001, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

This was for more than ten years ago.

I was watching TV in Sweden: a US World Soccer Cup qualifier match between Argentina and Colombia. I think Colombia won that one for five to none.

In any case, I remember that all of a sudden the sound like of a thunder overshadowed the voice of the commentator, very loudly. It was not in Sweden but the TV-transmission. It was soon evident that a big airplane was overflying the arena in Buenos Aires. I thought: "Boy, that was really close".

Being an Argentinean I soon realized that it must be a commercial plane approaching the nearby Jorge Newbery domestic airport. Long before the Twin Towers drama you got only surprised and not terrified by the sound of a plane apparently flying very close to a stadium and a crowd.

Later non I read the actual airplane flew really close the arena. The captain had wanted to offer a good view of the match, leaving the regular approach path and flying both closer and lower the River Plate stadium. About 60 thousand spectators at the stadium were astonished by the sudden appearance of the jet and I recall that even some players on the field noticed something was going on.

I believe the captain was suspended or sacked because of this brilliant idea of his. He was more fond of soccer than procedures.

regards
Erico


User currently offlineERJ145LR From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

ALRIGHT! Well now I have just found out this morning that Aerolineas Argentinas has gone on strike, and all flights in and out of Ezeiza and Aeroparque have been cancelled. This is really not good, as i am booked on a flight to Bariloche this morning.


here is a link to an artice about it!
http://gosouthamerica.about.com/b/a/223243.htm


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 5):
Flying in the US is a pain, the airport checks, pay for food and anything you do onboard is suspicious...no fun at all.

And I wonder why I no longer fly anymore; just too much of a P-I-T-A.

Next flight - maybe in 10-11 months... to China

If my destination is within about 500 miles, I drive, and I used to work for a 121 airline



Nobody screws you better than an airline job!
User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting ERJ145LR (Thread starter):

has anyone ever experieced flights like this? In argentina, or where? Thanks

Last year, I flew on JAT from Sarajevo to Belgrade on a really really old DC-9 (all white / no livery) and the passengers took their oversized carry-ons on board and put them in the empty seats next to them. F/As didnt even noticed.
Then, people reclined to sleep (6am flight) during take off and landing, nobody said anything. The cockpit door always open.
The best part was the piped elevator music from the 80's in a tape loop. great IFE!!. And yes, everybody was standing up right after landing. getting their stuff and walking around. But nobody was clapping during landing like in some Latin/Caribbean countries  Sad


User currently offlineOS-A330 From Austria, joined Aug 2001, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Just been to Argentina. On our approach to Puerto Iguazu the pilot actually circled the Iguazu Falls to provide a nice view to people sitting on either side of the plane.
The money for that flight was well invested!


User currently offlineERJ145LR From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that,

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 12):
g around. But nobody was clapping during landing like in some Latin/Caribbean countries  

On every flight, even my AA from mia-eze, everyone clapped, it was great!


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
Since there is no risk of such an attack in Argentina, of course things are more relaxed.

London on July 6th 2005 said the same thing..... oh and so did Spain on March 11th 2004......

And the us did on 9/10/01... so if you think it will never happen again...



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineGte439u From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 3):
Since there is no risk of such an attack in Argentina, of course things are more relaxed.

March 17, 1992 - Israeli Embassy bombing, Buenos Aires, 29-dead. Islamic Jihad is the main suspect.

July 18, 1994 - Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association (AMIA) bombing, Buenos Aires, 85-dead. Iran is the main suspect.

I think that both of these tragic events indicates that AR should be more security conscious than it is.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 15):
London on July 6th 2005 said the same thing..... oh and so did Spain on March 11th 2004......

And the us did on 9/10/01... so if you think it will never happen again...



Quoting Gte439u (Reply 16):
March 17, 1992 - Israeli Embassy bombing, Buenos Aires, 29-dead. Islamic Jihad is the main suspect.

July 18, 1994 - Argentine-Israeli Mutual Association (AMIA) bombing, Buenos Aires, 85-dead. Iran is the main suspect.

I think that both of these tragic events indicates that AR should be more security conscious than it is.

I understand this, but it should be understood that there are very good reasons for me to say that 'ethnic/race' relations in Argentina, and social freedoms are moving at an amazing pace in the last few years to feel safer about this, while in the rest of the world they are going in the other direction.

Security along the borders was tightened significantly following the terrorist attacks against Argentina (and at that time not many countries cared about terrorism). And the chances of terrorists hijacking a plane and crashing into an Argentine target are remote as the possible reasons for such actions are exceedingly hard to envision. Furthermore, the security at the aiport themselves IS strict as elsewhere.

So all in all I don't see a problem with allowing people to enjoy the flights once they cleared security.

Last year the major Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim authorities in Argentina agreed that the country had become a 'haven' of tolerance and acceptance. In Argentina Jews hang out with Muslims, Catholics with Protestants, you can go to Kosher Macdonalds or visit the biggest Mosque in Latin America. In the social area, Argentina's gay rights are moving at incredible speed, just this week the province of Cordoba permitted a gay couple to enjoy social service benefits give to married couples. Cordoba is a major province so that is big news. The Gay Vendimia Wine Festival in Mendoza has become one of the largest gay events in the Americas. Gays are flocking to Argentina for this increasing freedom and respect. Atheists are now also finding increased acceptance. Millions of illegal immigrants in Argentina are now being legalized, further promoting the feeling of a multi-cultural democratic society where people respect differences and don't fall to paranoia.

The racial, ethnic, religious problems so visible around the world last year in riots in many countries, paranoia in others, outright clashes and war in some more, are fading in Argentina.



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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 17):
the chances of terrorists hijacking a plane and crashing into an Argentine target are remote as the possible reasons for such actions are exceedingly hard to envision.

Agree! In fact, Argentina with a bigger GDP per capita would be one of the best World's pleasant areas for living.

As a touristic destination, Argentina is also a very good choice.


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