AviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 539 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3756 times:
Are the Saab 340/2000 models still in production or is the aviation division of Saab non-operational anymore? I really like the Saab products, I'd like to see them make a rebound.
Gearup380 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 85 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3378 times:
Haven't they ceased production of commercial aircraft?
Jamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 518 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
They're still extremely popular with some operators, although probably not popular enough to warrant re-opening production. One airline that loves them is Eastern Airways (T3) who operate regional services in the UK. I did some digging around for another Saab query last year:
Saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3094 times:
The Saab 2000 is a terrific airplane and for short flights superior in many ways to RJs. It would be neat to see it re-start production, but I think the odds of that are about the same as seeing Airbus start up Concorde production.
A319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3072 times:
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 7): The Saab 2000 is a terrific airplane
I'd second that. Well at least compared to the SAAB 340 that I sometimes also fly with, that flies the same route. The active noise cancellation and the 6-blade prop makes a huge difference!
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2978 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 3): A Saab340A was delivered to Egypt recently but I'm not sure which operator. It's ex N146SD and c/n 146.
IFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
Saab 340 - wow, there's some memories. After flying long haul with my job for a couple of year, I was thrown around by BMI on one of these crop dusters from EDI to LBA about five years ago. After the sturdiness of a nice J seat in a 744, this was a shock to the system. Vomit comet imho. In fact one of them was blown off the runway at LBA and delayed my departure back to EDI. You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2904 times:
Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10): You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.
..and as someone that has hours and hours performing full FCF flights, I've never felt more at ease then in a Saab 340. Full stalls, engine shut downs, rejected take off, missed approches, GPWS tests, deep turns... you name it, I've been on-board while it was done. I've taken one completely appart, put it back together and then gone up with the crew and flown the p*ss out of it. It is a VERY well built aircraft and I trust it.
..and as someone that has spent a few hundred hours in the JS, yea, its tough on the rump and back..!! Saab 340 production stopped at 459, Saab 2000 production stopped at 52 ( I think)
[Edited 2006-03-11 02:02:54]
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2846 times:
That post by IFEMaster is pomposity at its worst.
Sorry you can't have a 744 for every flight.
AFAIK, the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error. The number of SB20 fatal accidents is ZERO.
Saab made a good airplane. Up to the pilots to fly it safely, but Saab did their job correctly in making it a sturdy and reliable machine.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2831 times:
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12): the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error.
Actually ALL of them were pilot or operational error....not airframe related
[Edited 2006-03-11 03:09:52]
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Hantsflyer27 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2700 times:
I love the SAAB 340's. i have flown them regulary on the Los Angeles to San Luis Obispo run to visit family. Often a bumpy flight, especially following a heavy into LAX, but it makes you realise how well built these machines are. I trust them implicitly.
A319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2697 times:
Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10): Vomit comet imho. In fact one of them was blown off the runway at LBA and delayed my departure back to EDI. You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.
One thing I've noticed on the SAABs is that the landing tends to be heavier than on jets.
But it's not on many aircraft where you can actually see the landing gear and HTP at the same time! Makes some interesting watching on landing!
DFWMzuri From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 248 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 2): The car division is now owned by GM.
I recently learned this fact when my daughter bought her Saab last week. The car is beautiful and the ride fantastic. I also enjoyed the last 340 I was on, Flamingo Air, in Kenya a couple of years back. The plane is still in service but now belongs to Kenya Air.
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2597 times:
Nowadays SAAB makes parts for Airbus and Boeing. So far none have died in a SAAB2000 crash (yet!), the crash record of the SAAB 340 is a bit worse.
I wonder how big difference there are on the SAAB2000 and Illjysin-114?
AviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2570 times:
Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 2): The car division is now owned by GM.
Potentially not for long. GM is contemplating cutting both Saab and Hummer loose, which could spell disaster for the Swedish company.
BravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 535 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2485 times:
Saab has a long history of industry firsts for both the aviation division and the automotive division. Lets not forget that the first 1949 Saab car was designed by their aircraft engineers! When you sit in the drivers seat it has a cockpit like design and feel. There may be changes, but I don't think they are both going away. Does anyone know the outcome for the 340 that hit multiple deer on the runway at Iron Mountain several years ago. I heard it was heavily damaged, but I am not sure if anyone was injured.
IFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12): That post by IFEMaster is pomposity at its worst.
Whatever.
This comment alone makes you the pompous one my friend.
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12): Sorry you can't have a 744 for every flight.
Wouldn't expect or want that. But you miss my point entirely. Having flown entirely on 744's for two years, it was a shock to the system to be on something so small.
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12): AFAIK, the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error. The number of SB20 fatal accidents is ZERO.
Saab made a good airplane. Up to the pilots to fly it safely, but Saab did their job correctly in making it a sturdy and reliable machine.
I've no doubt about their safety record, but it didn't FEEL safe. See the difference? Why would I want to fly in an aircraft that made me feel uncomfortable?
Bman351 From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
We use two SAAB 340A's in our company which conducts scheduled air service in northern Saskatchewan. Flying those airplanes into 3800ft. gravel strips, going into remote uranium mines, etc. the airplane never ceases to amaze me. They're truely a great aircraft and I love flying on them.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
Saab made a wonderful aircraft in the 340. I've flown this type a few times with American Eagle. Only bad thing I can say about it is all the landings tended to be rather hard when I was on them. Per a recent AW&ST article, Saab owns nearly half of 340 still in service & has a well-orginized support system in place for all of them. Saab aircraft is the 3rd most sought after propliner next to the ATRs & Dash 8s. And I think Saab would like to assemble new aircraft again, but won't due to cost considerations & the uncertainty of the industry. Regards.
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Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 25, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2115 times:
AviationAddict, SAAB automobile isn´t Swedish anymore, so does it matter?
Trollhättan is going to make Opel and Cadillac if I recall right, Rüsselsheim is too expensive in labor cost.
Azza, it won´t happen, labor cost is too high in Sweden, subcontracting is more profitable.
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