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Is Saab Still Making Planes?  
User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 620 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5542 times:
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Are the Saab 340/2000 models still in production or is the aviation division of Saab non-operational anymore? I really like the Saab products, I'd like to see them make a rebound.

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

I think they only build JAS 39 Gripen Fighter Jet. Maybe someone else have more info of this topic, I really miss the beatyful SAAB 2000...

Cheers

Micke//SWE Sad



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User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Go to http://www.saabgroup.com They still build fighters and do other aviation work. The car division is now owned by GM.

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

I hope someone might have some information. A Saab340A was delivered to Egypt recently but I'm not sure which operator. It's ex N146SD and c/n 146.

That's the only photo on our DB:

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Thanks in advance

Horus



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User currently offlineGearup380 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 85 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Haven't they ceased production of commercial aircraft?  scratchchin 


Excess baggage? Oh come on...
User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6183 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4987 times:

Quoting Gearup380 (Reply 4):
Haven't they ceased production of commercial aircraft?

Yes, they have.

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 2):
Go to http://www.saabgroup.com They still build fighters and do other aviation work. The car division is now owned by GM.

BTW, BAe bought 35% of Saab in 1998.



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User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4961 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Thread starter):
I really like the Saab products, I'd like to see them make a rebound.

They're still extremely popular with some operators, although probably not popular enough to warrant re-opening production. One airline that loves them is Eastern Airways (T3) who operate regional services in the UK. I did some digging around for another Saab query last year:

RE: Eastern Airlines (T3) Saab 2000 Question (by Jamesontheroad Nov 26 2005 in Civil Aviation)

*j*


User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

The Saab 2000 is a terrific airplane and for short flights superior in many ways to RJs. It would be neat to see it re-start production, but I think the odds of that are about the same as seeing Airbus start up Concorde production.


smrtrthnu
User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 7):
The Saab 2000 is a terrific airplane

I'd second that. Well at least compared to the SAAB 340 that I sometimes also fly with, that flies the same route. The active noise cancellation and the 6-blade prop makes a huge difference!


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
A Saab340A was delivered to Egypt recently but I'm not sure which operator. It's ex N146SD and c/n 146.

What would you like to know...???

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"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Saab 340 - wow, there's some memories. After flying long haul with my job for a couple of year, I was thrown around by BMI on one of these crop dusters from EDI to LBA about five years ago. After the sturdiness of a nice J seat in a 744, this was a shock to the system. Vomit comet imho. In fact one of them was blown off the runway at LBA and delayed my departure back to EDI. You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10):
You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.

..and as someone that has hours and hours performing full FCF flights, I've never felt more at ease then in a Saab 340. Full stalls, engine shut downs, rejected take off, missed approches, GPWS tests, deep turns... you name it, I've been on-board while it was done. I've taken one completely appart, put it back together and then gone up with the crew and flown the p*ss out of it. It is a VERY well built aircraft and I trust it.

..and as someone that has spent a few hundred hours in the JS, yea, its tough on the rump and back..!! Saab 340 production stopped at 459, Saab 2000 production stopped at 52 ( I think)

[Edited 2006-03-11 02:02:54]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

That post by IFEMaster is pomposity at its worst.

Sorry you can't have a 744 for every flight.

AFAIK, the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error. The number of SB20 fatal accidents is ZERO.

Saab made a good airplane. Up to the pilots to fly it safely, but Saab did their job correctly in making it a sturdy and reliable machine.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error.

Actually ALL of them were pilot or operational error....not airframe related

[Edited 2006-03-11 03:09:52]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineHantsflyer27 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

I love the SAAB 340's. i have flown them regulary on the Los Angeles to San Luis Obispo run to visit family. Often a bumpy flight, especially following a heavy into LAX, but it makes you realise how well built these machines are. I trust them implicitly.

Regads, HF


User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 10):
Vomit comet imho. In fact one of them was blown off the runway at LBA and delayed my departure back to EDI. You wouldn't get me on one of these puppies again - never felt so unsafe.

One thing I've noticed on the SAABs is that the landing tends to be heavier than on jets.
But it's not on many aircraft where you can actually see the landing gear and HTP at the same time! Makes some interesting watching on landing!


User currently offlineDFWMzuri From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 2):
The car division is now owned by GM.

I recently learned this fact when my daughter bought her Saab last week. The car is beautiful and the ride fantastic. I also enjoyed the last 340 I was on, Flamingo Air, in Kenya a couple of years back. The plane is still in service but now belongs to Kenya Air.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

Nowadays SAAB makes parts for Airbus and Boeing. So far none have died in a SAAB2000 crash (yet!), the crash record of the SAAB 340 is a bit worse.
I wonder how big difference there are on the SAAB2000 and Illjysin-114?


User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4356 times:
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Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 2):
The car division is now owned by GM.

Potentially not for long. GM is contemplating cutting both Saab and Hummer loose, which could spell disaster for the Swedish company.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
What would you like to know...???

There are other photos in the date base...

Thanks EMBQA, I wanted to know if the aircraft was delivered to an airline or a corportation to be used as a private turoprop?

Also information on the age, history and flying hours would be aapreciated.


Horus



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User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Saab has a long history of industry firsts for both the aviation division and the automotive division. Lets not forget that the first 1949 Saab car was designed by their aircraft engineers! When you sit in the drivers seat it has a cockpit like design and feel. There may be changes, but I don't think they are both going away. Does anyone know the outcome for the 340 that hit multiple deer on the runway at Iron Mountain several years ago. I heard it was heavily damaged, but I am not sure if anyone was injured.

User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
That post by IFEMaster is pomposity at its worst.

Whatever.

This comment alone makes you the pompous one my friend.

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
Sorry you can't have a 744 for every flight.

Wouldn't expect or want that. But you miss my point entirely. Having flown entirely on 744's for two years, it was a shock to the system to be on something so small.

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
AFAIK, the number of hull losses of SB34s can be counted on one hand. And at least one of those (the one in Switzerland) was pilot error. The number of SB20 fatal accidents is ZERO.

Saab made a good airplane. Up to the pilots to fly it safely, but Saab did their job correctly in making it a sturdy and reliable machine.

I've no doubt about their safety record, but it didn't FEEL safe. See the difference? Why would I want to fly in an aircraft that made me feel uncomfortable?


User currently offlineBman351 From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4217 times:

We use two SAAB 340A's in our company which conducts scheduled air service in northern Saskatchewan. Flying those airplanes into 3800ft. gravel strips, going into remote uranium mines, etc. the airplane never ceases to amaze me. They're truely a great aircraft and I love flying on them.

B


User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

i would love to see saab create a modern, regional jet aircraft to compete with the emb170!

Aaron  Smile



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Saab made a wonderful aircraft in the 340. I've flown this type a few times with American Eagle. Only bad thing I can say about it is all the landings tended to be rather hard when I was on them. Per a recent AW&ST article, Saab owns nearly half of 340 still in service & has a well-orginized support system in place for all of them. Saab aircraft is the 3rd most sought after propliner next to the ATRs & Dash 8s. And I think Saab would like to assemble new aircraft again, but won't due to cost considerations & the uncertainty of the industry. Regards.


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3901 times:

AviationAddict, SAAB automobile isn´t Swedish anymore, so does it matter?
Trollhättan is going to make Opel and Cadillac if I recall right, Rüsselsheim is too expensive in labor cost.
Azza, it won´t happen, labor cost is too high in Sweden, subcontracting is more profitable.


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