This has got to be the most interesting cockpit, and the most entertaining flight crew ever
"The Il-62 is one of the largest aircraft without powered flight controls: all moving surfaces are controlled by direct cable links."
What a plane... it is still in service with cubana!
Tu144d From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 198 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20033 times:
Thanks for posting that wonderful video!!! A truly fascinating experience. Even though i'm a native speaker of Spanish and English, the external noise was drowning out quite a bit of audio. I did understand "Bermuda" and I think Manchester. Did the flight originate from La Habana? Where was it heading? I believe it was Cubana 424. Thanks a lot. Seemed like a really nice friendly crew.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 36429 posts, RR: 87 Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19993 times:
Rolfen:
Awesome!
I've been on Cubana's IL-62. That was one of the best flights I've ever been on. That is the first time I've seen a live cockpit video of an IL-62.
Tu144d From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 198 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19974 times:
Tu144d From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 198 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19944 times:
I wonder if Cubana's IL-62M's instrument panel labels are in Cyrillic or are translated into the Latin Alphabet either in English or Spanish. Must be hard for their pilots. Having to learn English as well as the Russian (Cyrillic alphabet) though I noticed the Captain was giving the names of the instruments in English i.e. "navigation light"..etc. Well, at least Cuba is a civilized country and uses the metric system unlike here in the US. It is absolutely pathetic. I am an Aeronautical Engineer and I can tell you working in Metric Units is absolutely fantastic compared to the English System which the English don't even use anymore!!!
Nwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19911 times:
I have never seen a 4 engine, aft mounted engine plane -- what is it's range, speed, etc -- I suppose, since I'm a US citizen, I'll never get to fly on one but it looks like a fascinating plane. What era, in US flight terms? It's a jet, but the technology is less than a dc-9
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19821 times:
These clips comes from the www.justplanes.com DVD. I´m sure those pilots got their training in Sovietunion/Russia so Kyrillic shouldn´t be a problem.
Air Koryo still operate the IL-62 as well, if you search on flightlevel350.com there is an excellent in-flight video from a passenger perspective. Those engines really do whine on approach!
There are also plenty of governments in African/CIS states operating the IL62.
Quoting Rolfen (Reply 2): I think the flight is heading from somewhere in the states (can cubana land in the states?) to havana, since the it was taken "shortly after takeoff".
I don't believe Cubana can land in the states, they did (not sure if they still do) fly into YYZ. This used to be with IL-62s but more recently was an A320 leased from TACA.
Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 6): I have never seen a 4 engine, aft mounted engine plane -- what is it's range, speed, etc -- I suppose, since I'm a US citizen, I'll never get to fly on one but it looks like a fascinating plane. What era, in US flight terms? It's a jet, but the technology is less than a dc-9
There's also the VC10, which the IL62 is a copy of, and is still in service with the RAF.
I know they can do transatlantic flights, they have been over in Europe before.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 36429 posts, RR: 87 Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19648 times:
Quoting Noelg (Reply 9): There's also the VC10, which the IL62 is a copy of, and is still in service with the RAF.
Incorrect!
The IL-62 is NOT a copy of the VC-10.
That's like saying the 767 is a copy of the A300.
The IL-62 was the Soviet Union's answer to the 707 and DC-8. Yet the IL-62 can land on softet runways and can land without the landing gear. The 707, DC-8 nor VC-10 can do such.
The VC-10 was designed for hot & high conditions in parts of Africa and other former British colonies.
Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 6): I suppose, since I'm a US citizen, I'll never get to fly on one
Bull!
You can do what ever you want!
I am a U.S. citizen and I've flown on an IL-62.
If you want to be a good American boy and not fly Cubana, there are several other IL-62 operators that are safe in Russia and other Eastern European countries.
FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5672 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19537 times:
I watched this video several times. The man recording is from Manchester. I not sure were they are going but they are near Bermuda. The Captain talks to New York center and ask for a Radio check which was cool how he said it.
"New York Cubana 442"
Also you hear the call sign Biscayne which is Miami Air.
The Captain English was pretty good with the ATC but besides for that it was not so great. It was a very intresting video. One of my favourites.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Vc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1343 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19510 times:
Superfly
Quoting Superfly (Reply 10): The IL-62 was the Soviet Union's answer to the 707 and DC-8. Yet the IL-62 can land on softet runways and can land without the landing gear. The 707, DC-8 nor VC-10 can do such
I think you will find that any aircraft can land without their gear,but it is very hard to get them to take off again
AA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 19469 times:
Great video. Can't wait for Fidel to croak so everyone can get over their "Cuba-phobia". The crew seemed like a normal airline cockpit crew. It'd be nice to have a couple of cervezas with them and compare notes.
I'd love to fly one of the Russian airliners to compare handling qualities. The unpowered controls wouldn't bother me (the MD80 is unpowered and it flies fine). It's got to be a hoot!
I'll have nightmares about that F/E panel, though... TC
Levg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 980 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19371 times:
Quoting Rolfen (Thread starter): The Il-62 is one of the largest aircraft without powered flight controls: all moving surfaces are controlled by direct cable links.
I wonder how does the autopilot handle it?
And with regards to the possibility of Cyrillic alphabet, I know that most, if not all Cuban pilots trained in the Soviet Union so they must be able to speak Russian. I don't know if they still train in Russia though, very well may be a possibility. Also, I'd assume that Cubans learn, or at least used to learn Russian in school. That was true in Eastern Europe, China, and North Korea so I'd doubt Cuba was an exception.
Anyway, great video, thanks for sharing.
Leo.
A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
Cedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2676 posts, RR: 27 Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19308 times:
Hi Rolfen
thanks to share this awesome video with us,and the IL-62 is amazing ....i flew once SU IL-62 from SVO to SCL with stops in LUX , SNN and MIA,i enjoyed this plane a lot
Regards
Alex!!!
A quien le importa lo que yo haga? a quien le importa lo que yo diga? yo soy asi, y asi seguire, nunca cambiare
Rolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1754 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19273 times:
Quoting Levg79 (Reply 14): I wonder how does the autopilot handle it?
Using electric servo motors, I'd guess. I think you can see the autopilot in action during the movie, you can see the control wheel slightly move, and the f.o. doest seem to be flying it, so it has got to be the autopilot... unless there's no autopilot on these things (just kidding).
That's russian technology. it may not look as fancy as a boeing 777, but it does exactly the same thing
Pgv From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19244 times:
That F/E panel looks a control room for a nuclear reactor.
Remember "Lee back here on the PANEL" (the video a few weeks back of the Arrow Air crew)? That 'ol boy would have his hands full at that Soviet work of art!
VC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1343 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19192 times:
I think people forget that with the exception of the rudder which had servo assist the B707 flying controls were cable operated and yes it did have balance panels to help with the loads , but it was mechanical flying controls.
I would imagine the IL-62 had some sort of servo tab or mechanical assistance to.
The IL-62 could not have been a copy of the VC-10 otherwise it would have been better, however in sophistication in all areas of design the VC-10 was well ahead of the IL-62
LH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 18892 times:
that was SO cool!
I just wish that there was a better shot of the flight attendants uniform. I have never seen a CUBANA uniform.
Henny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18400 times:
Quoting Byronsterk (Reply 20): Does anybody know, does that plane actually have autopilot? With the flight controls somewhat literally 'Fly By *wire*'
Yes, it does... a rather good one for its time, too.
The black panel under the First Officer's left hand is the AP pilot interface.
Quoting Tu144d (Reply 5): I wonder if Cubana's IL-62M's instrument panel labels are in Cyrillic or are translated into the Latin Alphabet either in English or Spanish
The IL-62Ms have English panels. The rest of the Russian fleet in Cubana are are labelled in Russian Cyrillic.
Maury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18371 times:
I liked the unducted fans. The ones blowing air around in the cockpit, I mean.
No 'plane better deserves it's NATO nickname than the -62. "Classic" is right.
757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1706 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18252 times:
What a nice video, I also think the F/A was kinda cute.
The Pilot spoke with a totally recognizable Cuban accent.. he seems to be a really nice guy.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 10): The IL-62 is NOT a copy of the VC-10.
That's like saying the 767 is a copy of the A300.
The IL-62 was the Soviet Union's answer to the 707 and DC-8. Yet the IL-62 can land on softet runways and can land without the landing gear. The 707, DC-8 nor VC-10 can do such.
The VC-10 was designed for hot & high conditions in parts of Africa and other former British colonies.
It may not be an exact copy but the influence of the VC-10 over the IL-62 is undoubtable, not only the engines location and number, also the really big wing (which helps the VC-10 carry on with their objectives of the high and hot colonies) and overall "feeling". I don't know technical aspects, but from my view is quite clear the influence of the VC-10 over the IL-62, not saying it was an exact copy.
Quoting Levg79 (Reply 14): And with regards to the possibility of Cyrillic alphabet, I know that most, if not all Cuban pilots trained in the Soviet Union so they must be able to speak Russian. I don't know if they still train in Russia though, very well may be a possibility. Also, I'd assume that Cubans learn, or at least used to learn Russian in school. That was true in Eastern Europe, China, and North Korea so I'd doubt Cuba was an exception.
I've seen come pictures of Russian Airplanes cockpits in Cuba, some have the cyrillic alphabet indeed, some others have signs glued over every instrument and gauge saying what it is. I recall one Antonov that has a paper sign glued to the throttle that says "Marcha" (Marcha = Throttle in Spanish).
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25 Henny: Cubana's IL-62Ms and IL-96-300s have English panels... Cubana 1 Cubana 2 [Edited 2006-03-11 00:11:42] [Edited 2006-03-11 00:13:26][Edited 2006-03-11 0
26 Sovietjet: The Il-62 wasn't a copy of the VC-10. The Il-62 was developed to replace the Tu-114. When Ilyushin sat down to build it they got a direct order/wish f
27 757MDE: I had read in a book that the first IL-62s incurred in more time of development because they needed fixes regarding their tendency to deep stall as w
28 Rolfen: Thanks everyone There's a thing right in the middle of the cockpit in the place where you usually have the autopilot panel. It looks like a big viewfi
29 Peteinmiami: The main foreing language taught at Cuban schools is English, not Russian. During the 80's Russian was introduced to some schools but without much su
30 Sovietjet: Yes...that was apparent on the prototypes. It was fixed with the redesigned wing I mentioned.
32 Tu204: According to everyone I know that is learning Russian - Russian is hard to learn. But the thing is that all of Cuba's pilots studied/study (they still
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