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AC's Bare 767 To Get Dressed  
User currently offlineBOAC707 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 278 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12516 times:

YYZ News is reporting that the bare 767 AC has been experimenting with will be painted in regular colour this month....

Nice to see common sense has come to AC on this matter. That plane looked awful.


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12472 times:

Definitely agreed there!

... it was a bad idea right from the start!


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12323 times:

Great News!!
That thing was a flying embarrassment for AC !

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

Well, it looked kinda shabby, but I think if they'd polished it up nice the way AA and AM do, wouldn't it have looked purty?

Maybe ya'll who actually saw it in person don't agree. All I have seen in the pics.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1607 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12044 times:

if it had been a fresh from teh factory plane, or even a relatively new plane (1-3 years maybe) it would have been fine... but that thing had been wearing paint for YEARS, plus it had had paint stripped and sanded off, then re-applied... not the best thing if you want to get shiny metal.


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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12032 times:

how come people who make such stupid decisions don't get axed? And to think there was even pr spin about how much fuel the reduced weight saves....

User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12032 times:

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 5):

It was always positioned as a test. After some time, the results would be evaluated to determine if this idea should be rolled out further. Don't see what the big deal is.


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11990 times:

what did the test prove? that it was a stupid idea and should not have occured from the first place. the money and time spent in conducting this test am sure could have been spent better elsewhere

User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11959 times:

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 7):
what did the test prove? that it was a stupid idea and should not have occured from the first place. the money and time spent in conducting this test am sure could have been spent better elsewhere

Ahh yes - I suppose you're able to predict exact results of proposals without testing right?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineBOAC707 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11959 times:

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 6):
It was always positioned as a test. After some time, the results would be evaluated to determine if this idea should be rolled out further. Don't see what the big deal is.

I don't think there is a big deal...It was a visually unappealing thing to look at...I am glad it is now going to listed as "been there done that, don't do it again" kind of thing.

The guy who put the idea in the suggestion box probably won't again, especially if he reads all the awful opinions registered in this forum....



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11938 times:

All the sorry fashionistas weighing in on this topic sound so petty. It was an experiment to measure potential fuel savings. It wasn't meant to have a finished look about it.

User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11871 times:

Bare metal just doesn't look good if the plane used to be painted. Take a look at pictures of Eastern's 727's and DC9's which used to be painted and compare them to their 757's which were delivered bare matal. It makes a world of difference.

User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 10):
It wasn't meant to have a finished look about it.

Agreed. AC is experimenting with numerous ideas for weight savings,from reduced baggage allowances,newpapers and magazines onboard to aircraft paint,etc,. All these ideas get people thinking about the the relation between aircraft weight and fuel requirments. I must admit some of the ideas seem silly,yet they do have some impact on fuel usage.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11832 times:

It kinda reminds me of the way they used to paint airliners....logos only, no base coats...maybe it would have looked better with a cheatline?

It might not have exactly looked real pretty, but it was a test, they only did up one, not like it was the entire fleet. Can't know without trying.....



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11795 times:

PHEEW! Thank God. That thing is painful to look at.

User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11690 times:

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 5):
how come people who make such stupid decisions don't get axed? And to think there was even pr spin about how much fuel the reduced weight saves....



Quoting Aerofan (Reply 7):
what did the test prove? that it was a stupid idea and should not have occured from the first place. the money and time spent in conducting this test am sure could have been spent better elsewhere

Wow.. what hostility in your responses if I may say so..

ANY individual who floats and idea that could POTENTIALLY save the company money, should NEVER be axed.

As long as the idea doesn't cost more money to implement than the realized benefits of said idea, suggesting money saving ways is a great way to move on up in the company!

The whole idea behind this was to *test* the viability. Testing has OBVIOUSLY ended, and they've made a decision..

1011yyz



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

So was the test successful or not? Did it noticeably decrease fuel burn? I'm guessing aesthetics plays a factor in this as well, so I suppose that whatever advantage there was didn't outweigh the ugliness or the need to strip other aircraft.

User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11571 times:

I have seen it and it looks awful but I hope to snap a pic of it before she's repainted.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11571 times:

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 7):
the money and time spent in conducting this test am sure could have been spent better elsewhere

What money and time would that be ? It had to be stripped even if they were going to repaint it in the new scheme.


User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11222 times:

What are hoot. It "looked" awful. LMAO. News flash folks, It wasn't done so you all could get some new snaps posted on airliners. Half of the ones complaining probably don't like the design on the painted aircraft either. It was a test, it was one acft, it will be repainted.

I like to check out all the great photo's here as much as the rest but I don't go screaming for someone's job when I see an acft I don't like the colour of. With the cost of aviation fuel the way it is, there are a lot of airlines looking at a lot of differant ideas to save on that huge fuel bill. This was one of those ideas. Sorry it wasn't visually appealing. LOL


User currently offlineTristarYUL From Chile, joined Jan 2005, 101 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10915 times:

The aircraft was ferried from YUL to MCI last monday,its currently undergoing a C check overhaul at AA facilities.it will then be re-painted into AC's new colors
internal source=no savings!!

cheers
Eric



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User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10846 times:

I think it looks great, they should keep it just as such.


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User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10645 times:

I think they should have kept the basics and not painted it, I liked the starkness of it, except they should have just put a Maple Leaf on the tail and not those dots.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 5):
how come people who make such stupid decisions don't get axed? And to think there was even pr spin about how much fuel the reduced weight saves....

How do you know that AC did not find the tests to be positive and will ensure that the new lot of 787's,etc will come shiny from the factory...? The current lot are old aircraft and the test may have served its purpose....


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9551 times:

Hope CX has more luck with their 742F thats rolled out in MAY!!

25 YOWza : They can't repaint that badboy fast enough - it's hideous. YOWza
26 DLKAPA : The blue reflections on the fuselage from the sky and the blue tail actually blend quite well in the photo above. Unfortunately nobody at Air Canada h
27 MarshalN : Yay! I like the toothpaste a lot more than this abomination
28 FLYACYYZ : Spoke to somebody in marketing, and in the end, they want a consistent brand. Wasn't as cost effective and maintenance free as they thought--looked l
29 Post contains links and images AnMCOSon : Maybe AC should have called JAL and asked where they got this 747 buffed. View Large View MediumPhoto © Erwin
30 AvroArrow : At the risk of being unpopular I have to say that I think it looks better in real life than in photos. I'm not saying I thought it looked great mind y
31 WesternA318 : I always thought Western's Bud Light scheme looked sweet in its day.
32 Motopolitico : I thought composites didn't have the same shine. Am I mistaken, or would that be impossible? I thought the advent of Airbus planes with composite tai
33 Ktachiya : From the factory in those paintings right? AC should have really done it when the aircraft came straight out of the factory. The 767-200 looked like
34 Post contains images FlightShadow : It was meant for a good cause Glad I'm not the only one that thinks it looked just fine
35 AR385 : It did look shabby. The new AM 777 looks plain wonderful. Will someone explain to me why this so-called bare metal scheme looks good on the AM plane a
36 Post contains images VonRichtofen : I'm sure airline execs give a rats ass about what a.netters think It was a test to see if they could save fuel, they weren't concerned in any way whe
37 Post contains images AndrewUber : Let's also remember that this 762 is probably 20 years old. Bare metal looks great on new aircraft - but appearantly everyone hates how it looked on t
38 FLYACYYZ : Bingo!! Yes, they're all aware of a.net and airlinemeals.net, and every other forum out there, and probably have a good chuckle over it. The reality
39 Yousef727 : I agree it looks nice. In my opinion AC should go for this livery.
40 Hmmmm... : that was the best looking plane in the fleet. Air canada's horrible greenish body paint is an insult to humanity. Give me bare metal any day.
41 Post contains links SpruceMoose : They did a model, but models are based on assumptions, and it's wise to experiment to test those assumptions. But in this case, it's sounds more like
42 F9HNLPLZ : I kind of like the bare metal look. Makes the leaf stand out.
43 Gasman : Exactly. It was a marginal idea at best (supposed to save a maximum $20,000 per annum, which is peanuts in airline economics terms) but it was badly
44 Skydrol : The bare metal 767 was OK. How do the blue engines fit in? That is crazy. LD4
45 AR385 : Thank you very much for your explanations, it does clear a few things, but it puts some other questions on my mind. So, you are saying that a more ac
46 AC7E7 : I don't get people like you. I'll spell it out for you: IT WAS A TEST. Why bother spending the extra money making it look like an AA aircraft if it w
47 Post contains images BOS2LAF : The last thing they need to do is pull a Delta and have a fleet of aircraft flying around in 3 different schemes. Everyone here, myself included, is
48 SpruceMoose : "Should have" implies more critique of their method than I intended. I think they did things just about right. The article I cited referenced some fi
49 AC7E7 : When you are dealing with the general population, trust me, they don't give a crap. We are talking about 1 plane out of a fleet of hundreds. Besides,
50 Gasman : Hmmm. I seem to have unleashed some kind of beast. Sorry if in casting aspersions on the aesthetic beauty of this aircraft, I ruined your day. To ans
51 9252fly : I wonder if it has ever occured to anyone that the aircraft was due for painting,which requires the paint be stripped to the metal(x-raying)? Is it p
52 Gasman : And you clearly are one, 9252fly. Well done! Mum must be proud. It is unlikely to be as simple as pulling the aircraft out of maintenance early and s
53 9252fly : Why thank you Gasman! I'm touched. The comment was simply to solicit a little more thought before critisizing AC decision to test the idea,even thoug
54 Post contains images Accargo : The JAL and AA birds were polished straight out of the factory by Boeing and a protective coating was applied. It is a little differant to do a test w
55 Post contains images Mack8994 : At the end of the day, it comes down to the bottom line. However, I do think there needs to be some sort of balance between cost reductions/savings a
56 Post contains images AR385 : I really believed that if they made a model, and it is not mentioned in the article, it was no a good model. Furthermore, I don't think the assumptio
57 N1120A : You are correct moto. Composites come out grey-black in color, not shiny like aluminum
58 AR385 : [quote=Accargo,reply=54]Someone commented that the test may save 20,000 per annum and that was peanuts in the industry. 20,000 x 200 acft= $4,000,000.
59 Accargo : With this comment you are showing that you are not aware of the lengths airlines are going to cut costs. Superficially if you look at the big picture
60 Hmmmm... : $20,000 is not peanuts to any airline. When you consider that most airlines run in the red, even a few bucks into the black makes a big difference to
61 Yyz717 : The fact remains that the cost of operating a bare metal aircraft or fleet is not necessarily cheaper, or all airlines would do it. The lower weight o
62 AC7E7 : The test was not supposed to be the look of the aircraft. We all know what the final state of a bare-metal polished aircraft looks like. Why spend th
63 Post contains images FLYACYYZ : As a private company, AC has an obligation to maximize shareholder value. As crappy as I thought the aircraft looked, the purusuit of saving money in
64 A332 : I saw it person at YVR and it was an absolute eye sore... However, I still believe it was a waste of time. How many other major carriers in similar or
65 AR385 : First of all, don't tell me that I don't know about the lengths airlines are going to cut costs. I do. But they are going at it wrong. You have no id
66 SpruceMoose : I disagree - my read of the situation is that they understood the variables but knew that the uncertainty was great enough that they should test one
67 Accargo : You trully have no idea of what is going on in Canadian aviation. No sense in debating further.
68 AR385 : Illuminate me.
69 AC7E7 : Obiviously you must not be an accountant. Maybe a fashion model? A Vegas stripper? I agree with ACCARGO, you have no clue what is going on here in Ca
70 Yyz717 : Exactly. Of course, with AC unit costs remaining about 25% above those of WJ for instance, a primary "pursuit" of AC in the near future hopefully wil
71 9252fly : You obviously follow the aviation industry closely and have an interest that makes you well respected by other members on this forum. Since you have
72 AR385 : No, I'm not an accountant, and I'm glad. I know about your other airlines, which are LCC's and their business model cannot compare to the one of AC.
73 Post contains links Accargo : With the little information out there regarding the new WS pilot contract that 25% may not be true any more. Certainly the pilot's wishing to discuss
74 Accargo : Go do some research and then we can talk.
75 AR385 : No, I'm not an accountant, and I'm glad. I know about your other airlines, which are LCC's and their business model cannot compare to the one of AC.
76 AC7E7 : Oh get over it. Besides, who said the occupation of a Vegas stripper is an insult? They probably take home more pay then either you or me! My airline
77 AR385 : You are an optimist. I like that. Of course, there are a variety of ways to define an optimist. I fail to see in what you are saying how the other ai
78 Post contains images Gasman : Gotta love you Canadians!
79 Post contains images AC7E7 : LOL! Actually, I am the most pessimistic bastard you could meet.   Well, maybe airlines in the rest of the world strive for the past, but here in Ca
80 Post contains images Bmacleod : Whatever money could be saved by paint stripping 767s would soon be gobbled up by other expenses resulting in no savings on ACs balance sheet. I'd sti
81 Reidyyz : I quite like any bare metal schemes, regardless of who it is. The AC 767 is another matter, however one has to understand why it looks the way it does
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