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Delta LGA-ORD From Marine Air Terminal  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10045

I was flying the Shuttle tonight and saw signs advertising that Delta's new service from LGA-ORD will operate out of the Marine Air Terminal.

I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, LGA-ORD is a prime business route and the Marine Air Terminal will be good for the pax on this route...But at the same time, I've always enjoyed the exclusive feeling that you have in the Marine Air Terminal.

Thoughts?

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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

Quote:
Service on the new routes will be operated by Delta Connection carrier Shuttle America with the new 70-seat Embraer 170 jet featuring both first class and economy service. The Embraer 170 jet is one of the most preferred narrow-body aircraft flying today

Since when is an EMB-170 a narrowbody?

Other than that, I am not familiar with DL operations in LGA. Could it be that they are operating out of the Marine Air Terminal because they don't have enough room at the main terminal?


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3517 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

Quoting Bohica (Reply 1):
Since when is an EMB-170 a narrowbody?

You're saying it's a widebody?  Confused



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 2):
You're saying it's a widebody?

No. 737, 757, DC9, A320, etc. were always considered narrowbodies.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6970 times:

Quoting Bohica (Reply 3):
Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 2):
You're saying it's a widebody?

No. 737, 757, DC9, A320, etc. were always considered narrowbodies.

Actually any single-aisle passenger aircraft can be considered a "narrowbody."


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6960 times:

Quoting Bohica (Reply 1):
Since when is an EMB-170 a narrowbody?

Since the paper days...



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User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

With DL new service (or reinstatement) from LGA-DFW, is this a sign that DL could perhaps have intentions of rebuilding DFW a "Focus City" if not a true hub again?

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6907 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 6):
With DL new service (or reinstatement) from LGA-DFW, is this a sign that DL could perhaps have intentions of rebuilding DFW a "Focus City" if not a true hub again?

Most likely not. They are offering a highly-desired service which will appeal to their FF'ers in the DFW area. It'll be interesting to see if it will last.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6883 times:

So...uh...help out the dumb un-informed...what's the Marine Air Terminal???

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6883 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 8):
So...uh...help out the dumb un-informed...what's the Marine Air Terminal???

It is the old PanAm terminal that DL runs the Shuttle out of.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6793 times:

to address the original post, putting the ORD flights at the Marine Air Terminal allows DL to offer a hiqh quality product in a very competitive business market. The Marine Air Terminal is separate from the rest of the terminals so is VERY easy to access. Once inside, there are loads of business-type amenities and very few of the crowds that characterize the rest of the terminals, including DL's LGA Flight Center which is becoming increasingly crowded. It's a good move and DL will do fine.

User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

I'm sure they don't have room at the main terminal and DL is being very smart and direct with their attack on AA, who recently broke the 'gentlemen's' agreement between them with LGA-ATL service. DL is clearly retaliating and deciding to go after historically one of AA's (and UA's) owned commodities, LGA-ORD. What concerns me is that DL's only potential of connecting passengers from ORD will be at LGA since ORD is truly not in any way shape or form a hub for them. And from LGA all the connecting flights will be going from the other terminal, making layover times increased and hassle time for passengers high. Or are they so convinced the point-to-point business warrants this. Doesn't make total sense to me, why not move all Florida flights to Marine Air Terminal?

User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

I think this is a good idea. They're obviously counting strictly on O&D traffic between the two cities. BUT wouldn't it therefore make more sense to fly to MDW?

The Marine Air Terminal is an important asset for Delta. It offers a convenience that no other terminal in New York can offer (unless you count a helicopter).


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

I always thought DL should have their own terminal to themselves instead of sharing it with NW. They are much larger at LGA than NW and need as much space as possible.


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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3175 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

"With DL new service (or reinstatement) from LGA-DFW, is this a sign that DL could perhaps have intentions of rebuilding DFW a "Focus City" if not a true hub again?"

I think it's more a sign that DL has intentions of continued build up in NY with major expansions at JFK and LGA.

"Doesn't make total sense to me, why not move all Florida flights to Marine Air Terminal?"

The Marine Air Terminal is for business. No leisure flights allowed!  Smile DL Shuttle is not regular DL! They guarantee their pax that they could show up 20 minutes prior, but a ticket, check in, and still get on a flight.

You start adding loads of flights to the 'MAT', that guarantee goes out the window.

Another good feature about the MAT is the ability to be on the street in less than 1 min once you deplane. And deplaning is through front and rear doors. So the whole process is very streamlined and efficient.

A Song 757 wouldn't fit in here.

PJ


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 6):
With DL new service (or reinstatement) from LGA-DFW, is this a sign that DL could perhaps have intentions of rebuilding DFW a "Focus City" if not a true hub again?

I doubt it, but when I DL pulled down DFW, I always wondered why they didn't keep routes to key focues cities like LGA, JFK, BOS, LAX, MCO, TPA and FLL.



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User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

I am flying Delta for ORD-LGA in April for only $137 roundtrip. I think that is a great deal, therefore I welcome the increase in competition they offer American and United on that route. I chose Delta from the three because of the aircraft, it was EMB170 vs MD80 vs A319.

One question about LGA, does the airport have an easy connection to either a train, bus, or subway from the Marine Air Terminal?


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 6):
is this a sign that DL could perhaps have intentions of rebuilding DFW a "Focus City" if not a true hub again?

Don't hold your breath.



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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

I would think the point of operating the LGA-ORD flights out of the Marine Terminal is because they are going after the business passenger, and any business passenger in NY would prefer QNY(Marine Terminal) over LGA anyday. Remember that with DL Shuttle flights, they have the guarantee that you can check-in, get through security, and be boarding in 10 minutes. Thats probably what they are going for with the LGA-ORD flights. Give them the ability to show up, zip through security, and be on their way in minimal time, rather than deal with the constant headache that LGA is sometimes.




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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6557 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 6):
With DL new service (or reinstatement) from LGA-DFW, is this a sign that DL could perhaps have intentions of rebuilding DFW a "Focus City" if not a true hub again?

I've heard rumors that DL actually cut back service too much from DFW. Despite DL not being able to compete effectively at DFW with AA, DL has realized that it can still sustain service from DFW to its big cities like NYC, MCO, possibly LAX or LAS in the future, etc. It's also part of DL's strategy to open more point-to-point service to cities with a strong DL presence, and LGA is one of those markets.

Jeremy


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
to address the original post, putting the ORD flights at the Marine Air Terminal allows DL to offer a hiqh quality product in a very competitive business market. The Marine Air Terminal is separate from the rest of the terminals so is VERY easy to access.

Exactly, this might also be an extension of te Shuttle routes? Kinda like what the Eastern shuttle did way back when, when it not only served DCA and BOS, but also DTW, ORD and IAD?

Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 16):
, does the airport have an easy connection to either a train, bus, or subway from the Marine Air Terminal?

There is a bus that goes there, which you can connect to the subway from.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
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Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 8):
So...uh...help out the dumb un-informed...what's the Marine Air Terminal???

To be a bit more specific about the name it's the old Pan Am Flying Boat terminal (hence Marine Air Terminal) which is why you'll still see a ramp leading into the water from the runway near the terminal. There used to be a long dock leading to the water that was used for boarding floating aircraft. You can see it from above with google maps, or you can go to the web to learn more about it.

It's a national historic landmark, and has been restored and it's worth a visit if you make it to LGA.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

It will be interesting to see how well ORD-LGA does for DL. DL may be going for O&D traffic, but it will only get it at LGA. Everyone in Chicago that flies out of ORD goes either on AA or UA, unless they have a corporate policy that requires another carrier.

But even then, DL is only flying 5 rountrips. AA flies 18 roundtrips, and UA runs about the same.


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

will be nice to see another EMB-170 at LGA. i think that the service may pose some problems for the shuttle operation at the MAT, even though there is now way to add it to the existing DL terminal. DL only has 6 gates there, which are full most of the time from what i see.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

DL will undoubtedly be tapping on the shoulders of its corporate accts in NYC and telling them DL expects them to be flying this new service. DL added it along w/ LGAMIA and LGADFW because these round out the top markets from LGA and DL has to be in all of them to compete. AA added LGAATL because it is in the top 10. So now you have two airlines vying for the top 10 markets from LGA. Both should do fine.

25 LGA777 : Two other advantages for DL is at the MAT the 170 will be on a jetway, at the regular DL Terminal would probably (at the very least some flights) be r
26 FlyDeltaJets : Generally the 170's (speaking for JFK ops) always get a jetway because the would need pax stairs, wereas the RJ's have built in stairs a need nothing
27 WorldTraveler : LGA777, since the MAT is at acorner of the two runways opposite the DL flight center, the flights to the MAT would either get long taxi-ins or taxi-ou
28 Jsposaune : Take the M60 bus to the Astoria St. subway station, and you can be in midtown Manhattan in 30 minutes, give or take.
29 LGA777 : World Traveler, while there are numerous runway configerations at LGA the most common is land 22, depart 13. This is one of serveral configerations wh
30 Positiverate : There's also the NYC Airport Express. For $12 o/w ($20 r/t) you can go to Grand Central or the Port Authority Bus Terminal.
31 LGA777 : Delta has a large billboard as you come off (eastbound) the Triboro Bridge entering Queens from Manhattan. I noticed a few days ago it now advertises
32 Kkfla737 : Also Montreal was an EA Shuttle "tag along" if you want to call it that.
33 Mir : There is a bus (M60). The MAT is quite conveniently located, except if you land on 13 (very uncommon) or takeoff on 31 (less uncommon, but still not
34 RJpieces : I don't mind taking off on 31....The extra taxi time is made up by a slightly shorter flight (to DCA at least).
35 INTENSS : The shuttle operation is only using 4 gates at a time (2 inbound DCA/BOS and 2 outbound DCA/BOS). However, even then they're using the same a/c to tu
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