I was flying the Shuttle tonight and saw signs advertising that Delta's new service from LGA-ORD will operate out of the Marine Air Terminal.
I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, LGA-ORD is a prime business route and the Marine Air Terminal will be good for the pax on this route...But at the same time, I've always enjoyed the exclusive feeling that you have in the Marine Air Terminal.
Bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7695 times:
Quote: Service on the new routes will be operated by Delta Connection carrier Shuttle America with the new 70-seat Embraer 170 jet featuring both first class and economy service. The Embraer 170 jet is one of the most preferred narrow-body aircraft flying today
Since when is an EMB-170 a narrowbody?
Other than that, I am not familiar with DL operations in LGA. Could it be that they are operating out of the Marine Air Terminal because they don't have enough room at the main terminal?
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7406 times:
to address the original post, putting the ORD flights at the Marine Air Terminal allows DL to offer a hiqh quality product in a very competitive business market. The Marine Air Terminal is separate from the rest of the terminals so is VERY easy to access. Once inside, there are loads of business-type amenities and very few of the crowds that characterize the rest of the terminals, including DL's LGA Flight Center which is becoming increasingly crowded. It's a good move and DL will do fine.
B707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7385 times:
I'm sure they don't have room at the main terminal and DL is being very smart and direct with their attack on AA, who recently broke the 'gentlemen's' agreement between them with LGA-ATL service. DL is clearly retaliating and deciding to go after historically one of AA's (and UA's) owned commodities, LGA-ORD. What concerns me is that DL's only potential of connecting passengers from ORD will be at LGA since ORD is truly not in any way shape or form a hub for them. And from LGA all the connecting flights will be going from the other terminal, making layover times increased and hassle time for passengers high. Or are they so convinced the point-to-point business warrants this. Doesn't make total sense to me, why not move all Florida flights to Marine Air Terminal?
JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3932 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7319 times:
"With DL new service (or reinstatement) from LGA-DFW, is this a sign that DL could perhaps have intentions of rebuilding DFW a "Focus City" if not a true hub again?"
I think it's more a sign that DL has intentions of continued build up in NY with major expansions at JFK and LGA.
"Doesn't make total sense to me, why not move all Florida flights to Marine Air Terminal?"
The Marine Air Terminal is for business. No leisure flights allowed! DL Shuttle is not regular DL! They guarantee their pax that they could show up 20 minutes prior, but a ticket, check in, and still get on a flight.
You start adding loads of flights to the 'MAT', that guarantee goes out the window.
Another good feature about the MAT is the ability to be on the street in less than 1 min once you deplane. And deplaning is through front and rear doors. So the whole process is very streamlined and efficient.
Jaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7277 times:
I am flying Delta for ORD-LGA in April for only $137 roundtrip. I think that is a great deal, therefore I welcome the increase in competition they offer American and United on that route. I chose Delta from the three because of the aircraft, it was EMB170 vs MD80 vs A319.
One question about LGA, does the airport have an easy connection to either a train, bus, or subway from the Marine Air Terminal?
OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7223 times:
I would think the point of operating the LGA-ORD flights out of the Marine Terminal is because they are going after the business passenger, and any business passenger in NY would prefer QNY(Marine Terminal) over LGA anyday. Remember that with DL Shuttle flights, they have the guarantee that you can check-in, get through security, and be boarding in 10 minutes. Thats probably what they are going for with the LGA-ORD flights. Give them the ability to show up, zip through security, and be on their way in minimal time, rather than deal with the constant headache that LGA is sometimes.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3511 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7170 times:
Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 6): With DL new service (or reinstatement) from LGA-DFW, is this a sign that DL could perhaps have intentions of rebuilding DFW a "Focus City" if not a true hub again?
I've heard rumors that DL actually cut back service too much from DFW. Despite DL not being able to compete effectively at DFW with AA, DL has realized that it can still sustain service from DFW to its big cities like NYC, MCO, possibly LAX or LAS in the future, etc. It's also part of DL's strategy to open more point-to-point service to cities with a strong DL presence, and LGA is one of those markets.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5740 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7157 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10): to address the original post, putting the ORD flights at the Marine Air Terminal allows DL to offer a hiqh quality product in a very competitive business market. The Marine Air Terminal is separate from the rest of the terminals so is VERY easy to access.
Exactly, this might also be an extension of te Shuttle routes? Kinda like what the Eastern shuttle did way back when, when it not only served DCA and BOS, but also DTW, ORD and IAD?
Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 16): , does the airport have an easy connection to either a train, bus, or subway from the Marine Air Terminal?
There is a bus that goes there, which you can connect to the subway from.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6665 times:
Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 8): So...uh...help out the dumb un-informed...what's the Marine Air Terminal???
To be a bit more specific about the name it's the old Pan Am Flying Boat terminal (hence Marine Air Terminal) which is why you'll still see a ramp leading into the water from the runway near the terminal. There used to be a long dock leading to the water that was used for boarding floating aircraft. You can see it from above with google maps, or you can go to the web to learn more about it.
It's a national historic landmark, and has been restored and it's worth a visit if you make it to LGA.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6259 times:
It will be interesting to see how well ORD-LGA does for DL. DL may be going for O&D traffic, but it will only get it at LGA. Everyone in Chicago that flies out of ORD goes either on AA or UA, unless they have a corporate policy that requires another carrier.
But even then, DL is only flying 5 rountrips. AA flies 18 roundtrips, and UA runs about the same.
Cancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6238 times:
will be nice to see another EMB-170 at LGA. i think that the service may pose some problems for the shuttle operation at the MAT, even though there is now way to add it to the existing DL terminal. DL only has 6 gates there, which are full most of the time from what i see.
"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6208 times:
DL will undoubtedly be tapping on the shoulders of its corporate accts in NYC and telling them DL expects them to be flying this new service. DL added it along w/ LGAMIA and LGADFW because these round out the top markets from LGA and DL has to be in all of them to compete. AA added LGAATL because it is in the top 10. So now you have two airlines vying for the top 10 markets from LGA. Both should do fine.
: Two other advantages for DL is at the MAT the 170 will be on a jetway, at the regular DL Terminal would probably (at the very least some flights) be r
: Generally the 170's (speaking for JFK ops) always get a jetway because the would need pax stairs, wereas the RJ's have built in stairs a need nothing
: LGA777, since the MAT is at acorner of the two runways opposite the DL flight center, the flights to the MAT would either get long taxi-ins or taxi-ou
: Take the M60 bus to the Astoria St. subway station, and you can be in midtown Manhattan in 30 minutes, give or take.
: World Traveler, while there are numerous runway configerations at LGA the most common is land 22, depart 13. This is one of serveral configerations wh
: There's also the NYC Airport Express. For $12 o/w ($20 r/t) you can go to Grand Central or the Port Authority Bus Terminal.
: Delta has a large billboard as you come off (eastbound) the Triboro Bridge entering Queens from Manhattan. I noticed a few days ago it now advertises
: Also Montreal was an EA Shuttle "tag along" if you want to call it that.
: There is a bus (M60). The MAT is quite conveniently located, except if you land on 13 (very uncommon) or takeoff on 31 (less uncommon, but still not
: I don't mind taking off on 31....The extra taxi time is made up by a slightly shorter flight (to DCA at least).
: The shuttle operation is only using 4 gates at a time (2 inbound DCA/BOS and 2 outbound DCA/BOS). However, even then they're using the same a/c to tu