CalAir From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11467 times:
Seen these pics of the IL-86 in normal pax config in the US, what id like to know is, how did it make it from Moscow with the range of the a/c? Obviously i had to tech stop, maybe in Shannon? But why wouldnt they just send an IL-62? Thoughts please.
CalAir From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11313 times:
[quote=FlySSC,reply=2]How did it make it from Toulouse to Bora Bora with the range of the a/c ???
answer : E N R O U T E S T O P !
1 of the pics of the IL86 is taken at JFK. A flight SVO-SNN-JFK was not unsual, especially in the 80s when this pic was taken.
OThe original version of the Il62 couldn't do SVO-JFK nonstop either.
The 3 other pics were taken at LAX. Nothing says that those planes were coming from Moscow.
Here again, a flight from East Russia/SIberia to LAX via ANC is not exceptionnal.[/quote
I didnt say that they HAD to be from Moscow, its just more likely than a flight from say Vladivostok to NYC. Its obvious it would have had to stop somewhere, I just wondered why it was standard practice to do tech stopping on an aircraft with a limited range, when they had the IL-62M in the fleet that could do it non stop.
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FlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7462 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11240 times:
Quoting CalAir (Reply 4): I didnt say that they HAD to be from Moscow, its just more likely than a flight from say Vladivostok to NYC. Its obvious it would have had to stop somewhere, I just wondered why it was standard practice to do tech stopping on an aircraft with a limited range, when they had the IL-62M in the fleet that could do it non stop.
If I read well, it says in your initial topic : How did it make it from Moscow with the range of the a/c ? ...
SVO-JFK is 7500km/4661mi/4051.
The Il62M has a range with max playload of 7800km/4210nm which is just 300km above the MOW-NYC distance, but for a maximum of 174 PAX.
The Il86 can carry up to 350 PAX.
It is certainly cheaper to fly 350 PAX on one flight with an enroute stop than on two different nonstop flights
Quoting CalAir (Reply 4): its just more likely than a flight from say Vladivostok to NYC
VVO-NYC is much longer than SVO-JFK. The Il86 pictured in JFK was certainly coming from VVO but most likely from SVO or LED.
Manu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7784 times:
Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 9): How does a DC-9 make it to Europe? Same answer. Even single engine Cessnas make it to Europe.
Didn't a guy even kayak across the atlantic? I think he stopped at one of the islands along the way too... I am failing to see the point of this conversation. If you can't get there on a single tank, you usually stop. If you fail to stop, gravity usually has a say.
Irish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7760 times:
In the 1980s and early 1990s virtually all Aeroflot services to North and Central America staged through Shannon, and where necessary, Gander as well. Il-86s were used on several such routes and I would say that those depicted at JFK were operating scheduled services from SVO or LED - SU315 and SU319 were the relevant flights, as far as I recall. The advent of longer-range Western equipment did away with need for the en-route stops.
This is a story with pictures of Leon Stoman who flew his Cessna 150 across the Atlantic from Winchester VA, to Botswana in Africa. With stops for fuel, and in this case, extra fuel tanks and money for bribery, any plane can be ferried anywhere!
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Peteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6775 times:
Aeroflot used to fly its IL-86 to Havana with stoppovers in Shannon, Ireland and Gander (NF) Canada. If I am not mistaken there was a daily flight back and forth between Moscow and Havana, and sometimes continuing to Mexico and South America. I took one of those flights once and it was full flight, we left Havana around 11PM and we got to Moscow 16 hours later, after all the stops in the way!!!!
Cessnas and other small planes are shipped in pieces on boats across the Atlantic. How is that in any way related to the topic of how an IL-86 makes it across? The poster was curious about where tech stops would be and/or if absolutely necessary.
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 8): They used to fly it into SEA. It sure was a good looking and odd bird to see.
I never thought IL-86s went to SEA. It was briefly IL-62s (which still couldn't fly nonstop I believe from Moscow) and then to IL-96s, 777s and finally 767s.
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Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2111 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6516 times:
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20): Cessnas and other small planes are shipped in pieces on boats across the Atlantic
If you read my previous post, you will see that Cessnas, regardless of range restrictions, WITH STOPS, can make it across the Atlantic, as per the example. STOPS. That is the answer to the original question as to how the IL-86 flies the Atlantic. That is how it is related.
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MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14365 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6487 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11): Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 7):
Aeroflot had (has?) a fuel depot at Shannon where their transatlantic flights used to refuel.
I believe the same, but the word is that this SU fuel depot was closed by orders from Moscow because many people defected from the Soviet Union in SNN.
The fuel depot still exists, actually Aeroflot had quite a base in SNN, including a compound of semidetached 5 bedroom houses with sauna, gym and everything, where the crews would stay. Aeroflot crews were free to roam around Shannon town and Limerick, the compound had a normal fence, but was not enclosed (since the 1990s Aeroflot operations through SNN have drastically decreased, so the houses in this compound, aptly named the "Russian Village" actually get rented out, I used to share one of these very comfortable houses with four other technicians for a year, when I was working in SNN). Today some of the houses are still being used by Aeroflot crews, the rest got rented out to Irish families, Wolga-Dneper crews and contracting aircraft maintenance staff, who work in one of the several aircraft maintenance facilities in SNN. We moved out though because in the end the landlord was raising the rent aabout every month and we found cheaper accomodation in a privately rented bungalow).
Aeroflot used to pay their landing and handling fees to the Irish airport company Aer Rianta in fuel, which the airport company sold on for profit. The fuel depot is right at the banks of the river Shannon and has it's own jetty for tanker ships to dock.
Lhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6137 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 22): Aeroflot used to pay their landing and handling fees to the Irish airport company Aer Rianta in fuel, which the airport company sold on for profit. The fuel depot is right at the banks of the river Shannon and has it's own jetty for tanker ships to dock.