RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13026 times:
I had the opportunity to fly out of Terminal 3 at JFK a few weeks ago...I was rather surprised by how nice it was, especially given the consensus on A.net that it's a third world country.
Sure there are some parts that could use a renovation, but on the whole, the rotunda is rather nice, they have an excellent food court with perhaps the best runway views at JFK, the gate areas are average to good, definitly not the worst I've seen.
The best part was that it really felt like a global hub. My flight left around 5PM and there were planes going to Athens, Berlin, Istanbul, Moscow, all over the United States, and more. No other terminal at JFK has that feeling except perhaps Terminal 8/9 and on a smaller scale, Terminal 7...
I also noticed several bathrooms (near gates 12, 4 and 6) with tiles still in the old Pan Am colors...Pretty cool feeling being in there and I imagine there is even old ground equipment somewhere in there with Pan Am colors....
Overall, it is definitly a nice terminal that any A.netter should love to explore, not dread.
Does anyone else agree with me that it's a nice terminal?
DL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13019 times:
Keep in mind that a big part of the reason JFK T3 gets put down on this site is because it's DL's terminal...if it were B6's terminal you'd see posts about how it's a nice combination of Paradise and the Garden of Eden
Aeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3050 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12994 times:
Agreed. I love DL's terminal. One of the main reasons, as you already mentioned, is its global feeling. Being there in teh afternoon is amazing, flights leaving to major cities throughout the world. Amazing! Plus DL just rocks!
Jumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12969 times:
Quoting INTENSS (Reply 2): Let me know if you feel the same way when you arrive into terminal 3 and have to claim your bagage downstairs at baggage claim. What a cluster that place can be.....
Couldnt agree more. Nothing worse then claiming baggage at term 3. I cant tell you how many times I have gone back and forth between the two carousels. As an after thought, it is rather cool to walk down the corrridors of Term 2 and check out all the intermational destinations served by DL. More impressive then any other terminal.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7663 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12953 times:
The last time I was at SA)">DL's Terminal 3 was in February 2005. I do like the food court indeed... it does have a very nice view of the runways. And the area around the gate that AM used before movin to Terminal 1 is also quite cool... I like those windows. However, i always thought that the check-in area of Terminal 3 is quite bad, and I also recall that the baggage claim process is a bit disastrous. Something I really liked of Terminal 3 is the home of SA at JFK too, although I don't know if they will move to Terminal 4 once they join Star Alliance.
Terminals 1 and 4 are very nice. I really like Terminal 1 and the variety of airlines: AM, AZ, AF, LH and some others. As for Terminal 4, the same is quite nice as well.
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Jrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12857 times:
Terminal 3 is slowly getting better, from my experiences. Prior to the post 9/11 renovations, when you had to screen ALL your baggage before the check-in desks, it was a lot more of a pain. Sometime in the last couple of years, they redid it again, so that there is a central security point, unless you are BusinessElite.
Personally- I wish that someone (hopefully a profitable post-BK Delta) would use the rotunda as the core of a replacement for T2 and T3- It seems to me they could tear down (progressively) the 70's addition to T3 and all of T2, use the rotunda as a check-in area, build a concourse (connected by an underground walkway) where T2 is and maybe a triangular concourse sort of where the addition to T3 is (again connected via an underground passage. This would allow them to restore, at least from an architectural standpoint, the original terminal, using it in a way that more effectively meets the needs of 21st century air travel. It would also allow them to build gates for RJ's and turboprops, as well as a better customs/immigration area.
But this is pure fantasy- and if the suckers are ever replaced it will be by either an expanded T4 ( the 2000 plan ) or maybe an expanded Terminal 1.
In any case- I don't think the terminals are nearly as bad as people make them out to be. I also find the BusinessElite lounges ( particularly the larger one with great runway views) to be quite nice. When I used to do a lot of business in New York- I always used JFK, and caught the Airtrain. I would make sure I was at the airport early to sit in the food court and watch the afternoon departures.
Superhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12855 times:
Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1): Keep in mind that a big part of the reason JFK T3 gets put down on this site is because it's DL's terminal...if it were B6's terminal you'd see posts about how it's a nice combination of Paradise and the Garden of Eden
Not really. I like Delta, but I hate their JFK terminals. I do not like AA, but I love their T9 (and hate their T8).... I am indifferent about B6, but I find JFK T6 very cramped. It's got hardly anything to do with which airlines fly them.
What I don't like about T3 is not that rotunda. I actually like that part, lots of windows, spacious, and I was quite impressed with it. They should keep it if they decide to rebuild T3. But go to the other side of T3, that part is just very cramped and dirty, and do not offer any views at all...a bit like AA's T8, but a bit better. T2 isn't impressive either.
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12811 times:
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Quoting Willyj (Reply 9): SA have already moved to terminal 4. I saw their aircraft parked at Terminal 4 last thursday.
Really? Please tell that to the staff at the SA reservations centre in South Africa, because they don't have any idea about this move. I am due to arrive during Easter weekend on SA at JFK and haven't got a clue at which terminal it is going to be.
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WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12660 times:
After DL spends $300 million over the next couple years (almost half of what B6 is spending for all new facilities (minus the ex-TWA terminal buildaround), DL's facilities at JFK should be nice. It's not a bad terminal and some things need more than just soap, water, and paint but the buildings are salvageable. I'd still rather have what DL has there now with enough flights to make it work than the huge new terminal DL was planning pre-9/11 which they undoubtedly would have had to reject the lease for in BK because it would have been way too expensive.
AA probably would like to renegotiate the terms on its JFK and MIA facilities if it were signing those contracts today. Kinda hard for AA to make any money on local traffic if they are having to pay $20 per passenger on airport facilities at those two airports which is exactly what those terminals are costing AA.
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12582 times:
I really like DL's T3 at JFK. It does need some repairs and cosmetic attention but, all in all, it is rather nice. Walking through the terminal seeing all of the INTL destinations is awesome. Spotting at the food court area is great. Used to be able to park your car right on top of that location and spot from the roof but sadly, that was closed down years ago.
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12577 times:
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14): Simply not true. As I mentioned earlier, the food court in the back of Terminal 3 has by far the best view at JFK, better than the Rotunda even.
Aside from the food-court view and the Pan Am tiles in the bathrooms, this is one terminal, apart from United's C-terminal/shack at IAD, that I personally hate. Flying on SA, I have made use of this terminal at least 7 times, using it both as a port of entry-and exit. I want to stick out my neck and say that it is far worse than SA's current arrivals hall in JNB.
I will never forget the "tomb-like international arrivals customs area" in which the escalator dumps you, a few minutes after you have stepped off the plane. Every time, somehow without fail the same old hag (working for USA Customs-and Immigrations) yell at passengers who just set their feet on USA soil. Let's just say, it is not a nice welcome to the USA.
Departing was okay, except when it rained and water seemed to pour through the ceilings at various places, sometimes in the middle of a gate departure lounge. It should not, but does however create a lasting impression. I am glad SA finally moved to T4.
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Lhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12533 times:
DL have made a real effort with T3 at JFK, and I get sick of the DL bashers on this site comparing them to NW and UA as a failure. Sure its tough right now, but they are holding with their business plans, and they are coming through the rough of it.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12398 times:
Overall, T3 Departures is much better than the Arrivals area. After the PA takeover, DL dd a decent job of sprucing up the Departures area with new flooring, lighting, signage, shops, etc. The new security set-up with the glass barriers does mar the appearance a bit but otherwise, it doesn't look and feel half bad...as many have mentioned, during the busy 3-7PM times, it feels vibrant and exciting.
Yes, T9, T1 and T4 are much nicer in terms of newness, modern facilities, etc. but frankly, they look like all these new "cookie-cutter" type terminals with lots of glass, steel, etc. I can't help but feel they are rather soul-less compared to the character and history that are part of the old glorious Pan Am pioneering days. As you walk through the rotunda area (Gates 1-3, Gates 16-18) with its high ceilings and large glass windows, you can almost imagine the days of the 747 inaugural to LHR....At least DL's flights to places like IST, TXL, ATH, SVO, etc. are upholding the tradition of T3.
The worst part of the Arrivals area, especially after emerging from Customs is the feeling that you have entered a dungeon. One of the worst parts is the route to the AirTrain and the parking areas - a long windy, narrow, and almost perilous uphill path from the Arrivals area. Unfortunately, I don't know how the infrastructure/architecture can be modified to provide an easier walkway to the AirTrain area.
B707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12388 times:
I was raised at Pan Am World Port in the 60's. I remember going in and seeing the board with the destinations and the check-in areas in the middle of the rotunda. Amazingly worldly with B707's parked with open jet bridges connected to the terminal. You could watch your family board. The problem I have with it currently is the ridiculous attachment to Terminal 2, a real dive. The rear of T3 is too far from the front ,getting into it is a hassle and getting out is worse. Terminal 4 is the way to go at JFK now a days. T7 is a mess, sorry BA and T6/B6 is way too cramped -though it was excellent when TWA attachment. Nothing will ever beat the original TW terminal for grandeur though.
TIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12368 times:
I like JFK and it really annoys me when people keep bashing it, but terminal 3 is simply a disgrace, unless things have improved since late August. The only good thing that terminal has going for it, is the view. But then not many people care about that, since I seemed to be the only glued to the windows last time I was there. Love JFK, but T3 is a dump.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3064 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12331 times:
The last time I went through Terminal 3 was last March. I really disliked it - the windows were extemely dirty and the radiators were rusted and all. However, our gate's windows had an amazing view of the runway lineup.
I took a walk to Terminal 2 (took about 10 minutes) and I got to see how it's laid out. The rotunda is rather nice and airy. Also, the hall from Terminal 2 to Terminal 3 has large windows. Terminal 2 seemed to be in better condition than 3, but it was also much more crowded.
The baggage claim was really bad, IMO. Then again, I cannot think of a single terminal at JFK that has a nice baggage claim.
I'll be heading to the terminal again this April. I don't know if there have been any changes as of lately. I'll just wait and see for myself.
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JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3899 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12306 times:
I have always loved T3 and have defended it on every post that bashes it!
A few things I like:
1. The rotunda is beautiful.
2. The Jetbridges from the rotunda cross the roadways leading to the departure area (Gates 1-3, 16-18)
3. The roadways that drop you off in the middle of the terminal . . . how freakin' cool is that?
4. The 747 gates on the sides of the terminal. Brings any large plane within 2 feet of the big window in front. Truly unbelievable!
5. The Worldly feeling! More so than any other terminal in the United States, you feel that this building is the gateway to the world. From the woman who makes the announcements with a heavy European accent, to the signs that say 'Toilet' instead of 'Restroom', to the departure screens that show flights to dozens of cities across Europe!
There is a real feel to this place. Really amazing. I'm glad the 2000 plan fell through.
Any new plan needs to incorporate the Worldport Rotunda.
When was the last time you were there? IMO, T7 is by far the nicest at JFK...Very small, but elegant checkin area. Fast security checkpoints and then you are right at the gate.
Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 22): From the woman who makes the announcements with a heavy European accent,
I was wondering about that. Does anyone know how many non-English speaking ground agents Delta has at JFK? I saw a plane boarding for Athens and was wondering if the ground agents who board it speak Greek or if it's just the F/As...
: I noticed that too - very cool!! Our cab passed right below the nose of a 767 and I was freaking out. It's like at LHR where the intra-terminal buses
: A slight off topic question I have for you all - does anyone know what terminal Swissair used to operate out of during the early /mid 90s? Thanks!
: You're crazy. DL's JFK terminals are total dumps. Check in and security are a disaster, the gates in terminal 3 are like bus station waiting areas and
: Swissair moved to T3 when the Atlantic Excellence Alliance was formed and DL/SR code shared on flights from JFK to GVA and ZRH. MD11's were the primar
: "You're crazy. DL's JFK terminals are total dumps." You're like those people who wanted to tear down Grand Central Terminal in the 70s to make way for
: 1970s era moving walkways? LOL A.) They were built in the 90s. B.) Are T4's identical moving walkways also 1970s era? Funny standards.... I second th
: We're not talking about history. TWA's terminal is architectural genious, a gorgeous building. DL's is far from that and it's cramped and hard to get
: Then T4s walkways suck too. It's like riding on a boat in choppy seas!
: It is really sad that so many on this thread have such little sense of history. The Pan Am Worldport (now referred to blandly as Terminal 3) was once
: Know what else is sad? That so many people on this thread can take a statement like "Terminal 3 is a dump" and turn it into "You don't have any appri
: I love terminal 3 because of its landmark design, architecture and history and should be preserved. But as a passenger, it is not very practical to us
: Right...UA's CLE operation could use a sprucing up now, couldn't it? Amen to that...damn kids, no respect! I'd settle for the "inconvinience" to actu
: All this talk about chipped tile, $hitty baggage claim and tiny waiting areas made me think we were talking about TW's T5.
: Is this topic about Terminal 3 at JFK or United's finances? I suggest we stick to the topic at hand - if you want to bash United, please open another
: "All this talk about chipped tile, $hitty baggage claim and tiny waiting areas made me think we were talking about TW's T5." HAHAHAHA very good one. I
: Upstairs is OK ... nice views outside, but nothing spectacular inside. But arriving from an international flight is an embarrassment. The narrow hallw
: Since I care about UA? Gotta love how assumption followed by "personal attacks" are how people deal with grievances on this website. It's about debat
: I'm a loyal delta customer and fly a lot out of JFK. The terminal, in my opinion, is not all that pleasant, appears worn down and in dire need of a m
: The worst terminal in the airport!!! Every time it rains there is buckets everywhere. There is birds and pigeons flying at the front by the business e
: A complete demolition would be nice, from what I saw last night, UGH. A demolition and complete rebuild would be far less costly than a complete renov
: Slightly off topic, but I'll be flying JAX-FLL-JFK-FLL-JAX in two weeks. I wanted to fly on Song before the "Song" name is officially gone. This will
: No, Major flights to domestic cities also fly out of T3. No, Song flights arrive/depart out of T2. There is a connecting tunnel from T2 to T3 that yo
: Awesome! Thanks! I'll definately spend my time walking through the terminals checking out the sites. It looks like I'm going to be around during the t
: LOL, have a nice trip and let us know!
: Sorry, but no - it's a dump, which is a shame considering the history of the building and the amazing leap forward it was when it was first built. Th
: Actually the "rotunda you all refer to was the UTB or Unit Terminal Building. The addition behind it was called the "Worldport." I spent 21 years work
: Actually, some Song flights now leave out of T3 as well (probably in preparation for the integration back into DL). Gates 2, and 16 have seen some So
: Yeah, I saw a Song 757 at Gate 2 earlier this week.
: Does anyone have any links or pics of the interior rotunda or gate areas?
: There are some good photos here, although most of them are external shots: http://psa188.tripod.com/
: That's insane, Open air jet-bridges?!!?! That would suck it it was freezing and pooring down with rain (Edit): Was looking at old pictures Also: Anyon
: If you guys love T1 and T4, you would love HAM, MUC and FRA T2. They all look the same! All of these German airports are very open, airy and functiona
: I guess with the weather conditions I have in mind, It'd be too dangerous to allow flights to operate (I'm thinking it's insanely windy and raining d
: I'm rather neutral about Terminal 3. Terminal 3 does need a bit of a spruce/clean-up, and also a bit of expansion (overcrowded), but its part of JFK's