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Is Boeing Planning To Keep The 787s Cockpit Window  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14640 times:

Hello all


We've seen the changes to 787s shark fin tail. Is Boeing planning to keep the flightdeck windows and the nose the same in the picture or will they redesign the windows and nose?

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14606 times:

I think the design is far enough along that you won't see any changes in that respect.


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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14484 times:

I think he's talking about the old pointy nose with the weird triangular cockpit windows, back in the old days when the plane had the shark tail... those windows are gone too, and the nose is back to a more conventional arrangement. The average flying public won't tell it apart from a 767, at least from the outside.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14462 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 2):
I think he's talking about the old pointy nose with the weird triangular cockpit windows, back in the old days when the plane had the shark tail... those windows are gone too, and the nose is back to a more conventional arrangement. The average flying public won't tell it apart from a 767, at least from the outside.

I disagree. To me, it looks like a fat 757, with chevrons at the rear of the engines. The wings are extremely distinctive, as well.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14431 times:
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The design has been 'frozen' so no more design changes, or does the design freeze only mean the inside?

User currently offlineSeanp11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14279 times:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20050825/450nose.jpg
this is what the nose section is going to look like. Not the same as a 767 or 777, but not quite like the old design.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14261 times:

Lets compare the newer renderings:




And the older renderings:




You tell me


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14106 times:

Yeah, looking at those old pictures, you can see why they changed it.

User currently offlineVAtlantic101 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14060 times:

The things that will stand out on the 787 are the wings i think, but does anyone know if they have kept the large windows?

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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13942 times:

Its certainly lost most of its distinctiveness, I really liked the 'before' style, but the new style just looks plain and ordinary.

Ho hum, I guess financial wins over stylism even in aviation.


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13904 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 2):
The average flying public won't tell it apart from a 767, at least from the outside.

Does this mean the 787 will be roughly the same size as a 767, if so which version, 200,300, or 400? What will be the seating config 2-3-2, 2-4-2 ? Sorry, just don't know much about it. Also, is this what Boeing decided to do instead of the sonic cruiser?


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13848 times:
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This is the final 787 nose;



I actually really like it, more than a passing resemblance to the 757!

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3243 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13822 times:

Quoting VAtlantic101 (Reply 8):
but does anyone know if they have kept the large windows?

Yes, they have!




Read this too:

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices...ages/commercial/787/k63434-04.html

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
What will be the seating config 2-3-2, 2-4-2 ?

Either 8- or 9- abreast. Boeing has been advertising it as a very comfortable 8-abreast plane and, in fact, Boeing's preferred config is 3-2-3 (the only reason I can think of for this so that they do not want to do what Airbus does; but we've done this debate to death in other threads). Look at the back for the config:



However, given that it's very spacious for an 8-abreast, a large percentage of the airlines who ordered it are actually going to put 9-abreast (I assume 3-3-3), which will be as "comfortable" as today's B747s. Incidentally, it appears that the possibility of 9-abreast on the B787 has been a big advantage of that plane over the A350 (in which 9-abreast will be too crammed; maybe only charters might do that in the A350).

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
Also, is this what Boeing decided to do instead of the sonic cruiser?

Yes. Airlines prederred good economics over extra speed.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
Sorry, just don't know much about it.

No apologies necessary, as far as I'm concerned. Other people will rudely tell you to go and do searches. But one od the points of a.net, IMHO, is to find information.

Hope this helps,

Tony

[Edited 2006-03-12 13:59:27]


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User currently offlineVS773ER From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13428 times:

Is Jerry Springer hosting his new show on the 787? (tope left of pic!)

User currently offlineFlight777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13243 times:

Quoting VS773ER (Reply 13):
Is Jerry Springer hosting his new show on the 787? (tope left of pic!)

Funny  rotfl  He is wanting somemore people for his show!

I actually like the newer verison of the 787. Still looks like a Boeing but still distinctive!


User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13011 times:

It's been covered in topics here a few times.

The reason that Boeing made the changes are. The new nose shape was to reduce cockpit wind-noise, and the old window layout was not well recived by pilots that got to view an early cockpit mockup.



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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12604 times:

Wel, as far as cockpit windows go, they are distinctive. It is 4-panel arrangement as opposed to 6 in the older wide bodies. If someone is curious enough, they can count 4.

The windows seem to be fixed and are large (19" tall).

Finally I think they should keep 2-4-2 in which case no seat will be farther than 2 away from an aisle. 3-2-3 "seem" crowded due to the fact the window seater has to hop over two people to get out. It may also be quicker to plane and deplane not only during normal ops but in case of emergency evac.

Just my thought.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12542 times:

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 16):
Finally I think they should keep 2-4-2 in which case no seat will be farther than 2 away from an aisle. 3-2-3 "seem" crowded due to the fact the window seater has to hop over two people to get out. It may also be quicker to plane and deplane not only during normal ops but in case of emergency evac.

That's nothing to do with Boeing. The airlines will to put 3-3-3 in it regardless.


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12380 times:

They have to keep the 787 cockpit windows. How the hell are they going to keep the wind out without them? The amount of weight it would save to reduce them, would not be worth it in a cost/benefit analysis.

[Edited 2006-03-12 16:44:06]


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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2352 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12272 times:

Does anyone know when they will begin work on the prototype 787 now that it seems that the final design has been agreed upon? It is still a few years away, but how many years?


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User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12070 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
To me, it looks like a fat 757

Its slightly more sophisticated than that. I prefer the look of the 757, it looks superb
A


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11693 times:

I know for sure AC will have the seats at 2x4x2.

User currently offlinePauara From Bahamas, joined Aug 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11650 times:

I personally cant wait fot this plane to take to the skies and will be flying it regardless of the windows, nose, and tail design.

User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11577 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 9):
Ho hum, I guess financial wins over stylism even in aviation.

of course, and why shouldn't it companies are aroudn to make money


User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11493 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 19):
Does anyone know when they will begin work on the prototype 787 now that it seems that the final design has been agreed upon? It is still a few years away, but how many years?

Recent reports are that Landing gear assembly is ongoing, body assembly begins in June, and rollout in 2007. First deliveries in early 2008, Boeing has committed a number of them to the Chinese airlines before the 08 Olympics.

I think the autoclaves for the wings and big fuse sections are about to be fired up!


25 Rolfen : Those new cockpit windows look like those of the a380
26 BR715-A1-30 : Today's topic: My boyfriend cheated on me with a flight attendant... Lets bring out our first guest, ROB!!! Now Rob, Tell us your story "Well Jerry,
27 RedDragon : Are the side cockpit windows definitely going to be fixed (ie. non-opening)? Will pilots miss the loss of direct-vision windows against the aircraft's
28 Post contains links and images MD-90 : I think Emraer was on to something with their design of the nose of the 170/190 family. I don't really like it, but it seems that Boeing has come to t
29 Weetodded01 : Did anyone ever notice the computer generated images of the 787's interior that boeing had on its website for a while? It looked like the forward-most
30 FlyDreamliner : I miss the old tail, even if it was heavier. The larger windows will make this aircraft popular with pax. It's very airy, and has a nice interior layo
31 Wingscrubber : FRA Spotter, I know boeing have been prototyping the filament winding process to make the composite fuselage sections, I had a picture of it somewhere
32 Monteycarlos : But you are not a member of the general public... obviously with an aviation knowledge you will be able to pick the difference. In my experience most
33 Post contains images Skydrol : Yeah, and when the pax start smashing the seats, the air marshalls will restrain them. LD4
34 Glacote : Would you have any update on this issue (e.g. clos-up of actual fuselage section) apart from mock-up photos as old as the now-vanished shark tail? No
35 Post contains images Glareskin : Good observation! And yes: Embraer was on to something with the new families. Let's hope the 787 will be as good in it's own class!
36 Post contains images Johnny : Oh lord.... What a ugly and boring design..! Where are the Boeing engineers which designed the fantastic look of the B777? Are they all retired..? It
37 787engineer : The average passenger rarely knows or cares what they're flying on. Most people don't even bother to look at the airplane they're about to board, so
38 N328KF : 787engineer's comment is right on the money. Boeing has rightly focused on the areas that passengers will notice and remember the most. They'll notic
39 Seanp11 : The B777 has the same section 41 as the B767.....
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