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PIA To Lease 10 New Aircraft  
User currently offlineCabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

In the article they say that PK plans to lease 4 additionals 777s, 3 ATRs and 3 310Fs. Also they say that they are going to replace their 737s and 310s by 2010 and 2011.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/12/top16.htm

BTW I saw their 772LR in KHI, it is one big aircraft.

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4137 posts, RR: 90
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9338 times:
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Thank you for the link and the information Cabso1 As the information quotes Government officials I feel the report is most likely quite accurate. That leads to two points of interest from my perspective;

1: Confirmation that PIA will increase their 777 fleet to 12

2: No mention of the 748I. There were reports emanating before the Asian Aerospace Show recently held in Singapore that PIA could be a candidate for this model.

Does this mean we can put to rest those reports and assume PIA are not interested in the 748I?

Any further information or clarification would be appreciated.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineCabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9231 times:

Well, PanAm_DC10, let me put it to you this way. Pakistani government officials can never be quoted on their word. I am sure any Pakistani person could confirm that. Only when a contract is drawn up, will it be a final decision. I am not aware of the 748 rumours as of yet, but chances are that those were and still remain rumours.

User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9210 times:

Quoting Cabso1 (Thread starter):
to lease 4 additionals 777s

Do we know what models?

Tony



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

Are these new 777s they're thinking of leasing? I don't know if there are too many old ones available for lease.


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User currently offlineCabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 3):
Do we know what models?

Not really, we just have to wait and watch.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 4):
Are these new 777s they're thinking of leasing?

I should not think so but I do not know for sure.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4766 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8986 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
2: No mention of the 748I. There were reports emanating before the Asian Aerospace Show recently held in Singapore that PIA could be a candidate for this model.

Yes Boeing have officially approached Air India and PIA concerning the B 748...and Jet Airways of India too !!!

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
1: Confirmation that PIA will increase their 777 fleet to 12

This has been mentioned by their current Chairman Mr Kirmani many times for nearly 4 months now and today finally it gets officially confirmed. But no one really knows whats the break up of these B 777s to be leased in except for the fact that ONE has confirmed to be a B 772ER leased in from ILFC. The remaining 3 no one knows of !


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8847 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
2: No mention of the 748I. There were reports emanating before the Asian Aerospace Show recently held in Singapore that PIA could be a candidate for this model.

there are still very strong rumours that they will go with the 747-8I...

they will be adding another 777-200LR to their fleet soon, which will allow them to have YYZ-Pakistan 2x/weekly, and 1-2x/weekly for their JFK-Pakistan route, with the other days having a stop in the United Kingdom.....

they are in the process of getting 773's also.......possibly to replace their ancient 742's and 743's and for some route expansion....LAX is high on that list....

the 747-8's would work very well for them on some routes...such as JFK (the days that they won't fly nonstop to Pakistan)

they will also probably get some newer 737's also..........

besides a few ATR's and a few A310F's.........PK will become basically an all-Boeing fleet..........

PK love their 777's!



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User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8835 times:

That is fantastic news! MORE 777S FOR PK!!!!
YAY!!!
A


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8131 times:

Quoting Cabso1 (Thread starter):
BTW I saw their 772LR in KHI, it is one big aircraft.

Not to be Debbie Downer.... The 772LR is the same size in dimensions as the 772ER. I think their is one difference and its the blended winglets witch adds 13ft. on the wingspan like the 773ER.

PK adding more 777's is great news!



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7881 times:

As they plan to replace the 310s by 2010 , probably we will see them ordering 787s very soon.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7813 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):

besides a few ATR's and a few A310F's.........PK will become basically an all-Boeing fleet..........



Quoting FCKC (Reply 10):
As they plan to replace the 310s by 2010 , probably we will see them ordering 787s very soon.

exactly, I expect PK to be a 787 operator also...... checkmark 

the 787-3 would be perfectly suited for their ISB-PEK-NRT, and ISB-HKG-BKK routes



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7660 times:

Great to see our homeland is getting a more and more modern fleet.
This is great news. I hope they get the 787 also. Is the ATR70-500 the latest
airplane they make? It does not have a glass cockpit.

PIA777



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 12):
Great to see our homeland is getting a more and more modern fleet.

Zindabad........PK has a lot of competition from all sides...especially with EK and ED (AirBlue), as well as from SIN starting flights again to PK...

PK has to distinguish itself...........and they need to do more advertising....

I know people who live in Houston who didn't even know PK flew to their city.. irked 



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

This is so refreshing news especially since the dry 90's as I call it. For some strange reason all this started right about when I left Pakistan. WARNING: I am planing to return, God help us!  Wink
Well seriously what I would now love to see would be for PIA to make lots and lots of money with these new birds, I am sure that is the plan, I am praying they get it done this time and we can all see for ourselves the same PIA of the old times, the times of which many (like myself) have only heard of (with few childhood memories).

And I agree, More smart advertising!!!!


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 14):
This is so refreshing news especially since the dry 90's as I call it. For some strange reason all this started right about when I left Pakistan. WARNING: I am planing to return, God help us! Wink
Well seriously what I would now love to see would be for PIA to make lots and lots of money with these new birds, I am sure that is the plan, I am praying they get it done this time and we can all see for ourselves the same PIA of the old times, the times of which many (like myself) have only heard of (with few childhood memories).

And I agree, More smart advertising!!!!

I'm very excited, in fact, I'm going to start using PK instead of EK in the near future.....

I primarily use AA/BA, but PK will start to see my business also.

can't beat their business class.....



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

Great news for PIA. By the way, where is their new 772ER flying to? I know it did YYZ-Pakistan last week but not sure if that'll be it's primary route.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6700 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 16):
Great news for PIA. By the way, where is their new 772ER flying to? I know it did YYZ-Pakistan last week but not sure if that'll be it's primary route.

you mean their -200LR... Wink

yes.........2x/weekly Pakistan-YYZ-Pakistan is their primary route, as well as a Pakistan-JFK-Pakistan......but that is only for a coupe of days a week (JFK is 5x/weekly)..the rest of the time, their flights to JFK will be via the United Kingdom....



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
you mean their -200LR..

You're right.. That's exactly what I meant.  embarrassment 

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
yes.........2x/weekly Pakistan-YYZ-Pakistan is their primary route, as well as a Pakistan-JFK-Pakistan......but that is only for a coupe of days a week (JFK is 5x/weekly)..the rest of the time, their flights to JFK will be via the United Kingdom....

So it'll be doing YYZ 2X/week and JFK 2X/week! It sure won't be sitting on the ground much!


User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6580 times:
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I recently was invited to the Dinner for the captain's and crew members here at toronto on the 4th of march ( when they brought the very first long haul flight form ISB) ,,,, and there when speaking with cockpit crew i learnt that , Boeing has offereed PIA to take all of their 747's and replace their entire long haul fleet with 777's, they also have plan to start LAX in early jun and Melbourne by September

Fiaz


User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6565 times:
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its 3x weekly to yyz using the LR and their other LR shall come at the end of this month to use 3x weekly to JFK and the remaining two slots will be used by the 743

Fiaz


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 20):
its 3x weekly to yyz using the LR

If that's the case, then it's not doing 2X to JFK like Jacobin777 mentioned because there are only 7 days in a week unfortunately and 5X/week to North America would be pushing it.

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 20):
and their other LR shall come at the end of this month

Is this brand spanking new or is it the other test aircraft that Boeing was using?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 18):
So it'll be doing YYZ 2X/week and JFK 2X/week! It sure won't be sitting on the ground much!



Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 21):
If that's the case, then it's not doing 2X to JFK like Jacobin777 mentioned because there are only 7 days in a week unfortunately and 5X/week to North America would be pushing it.



Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 21):

Is this brand spanking new or is it the other test aircraft that Boeing was using?

ok....I got the updates....some correction of mine, and some correction of Fiaz...

YYZ-KHI is 3x/weekly (thats a new one!)....Tuesday/Friday/Sunday with the Friday (Pk-782) flight stopping via ISB and the Tuesday (PK-790) flight stopping via LHE.......the Sunday (PK-784) flight YYZ-KHI is nonstop.

JFK-KHI service is Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sunday.....with the only nonstop flight being JFK-ISB..(PK-724)....then ISB-KHI....

the other flights will be with -200ER (twice weekly), 747-M and 743 for a total of 5x/weekly...

ORD/HOU will still get MAN as well

hope that helps.

and I think its the 2nd test plane....but I'm not 100% sure on that....

[Edited 2006-03-13 01:20:16]


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User currently offlineShabaz From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

The 2nd LR is indeed the test plane.

PIA’s second Boeing 777-240LR (registration AP-BGZ) on its delivery flight will fly non-stop from New York to Pakistan on March 23, 2006. The aircraft will operate flight PK-7744 from New York-JFK Airport to Karachi via Islamabad.

Flt PK-7774
March 23 - Departure from Seattle – 10:00 (10:00AM)
March 23 - Arrival at New York – 17:00 (5:00PM)

Flt PK-7744
March 23 - Departure from New York – 18:59 (6:59PM)
March 24 - Arrival at Islamabad – 18:40 (6:40PM)
March 24 - Departure from Islamabad – 20:30 (8:30PM)
March 24 - Arrival at Karachi – 22:25 (10:25PM)

Regards,
Shabaz - http://www.globalpia.net/


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):

Thanx for the updates buddy  wink 


25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : anytime... thanks for the info Shabaz!
26 Post contains images Fiaz : LOL i never knew it took 7 hrs to fly from SEA to JFK Fiaz
27 Post contains images AT502B : How do you come up with 7 hrs? Looks like 4 to me with the time change on the East coast
28 Fiaz : sorry ...my fault Fiaz
29 PIA777 : They have such a huge Pakistani community in Houston and there are several radio stations there for Pakistanis. They should have had some radio ads.
30 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I couldn't agree more
31 Bravo45 : Nice, keep us posted on the service. Its been years I have flown them or anybody for that matter. Looking forward to trip reports. March 23rd! Thats
32 Post contains images Jacobin777 : my mom already flies with PK ORD-MAN-ISB-KHI on business class a few times a year.......! besides flying AA within the United States, PK is basically
33 Post contains images Bravo45 : Yipeeee!!!!!!!!!!   Thanks for the info, this is great. Not long after PIA got their first 777-200ER, my mom and sister were returning on LHE MAN
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : yah..PK has definitely gotten better over the years, but I've never had a bad experience with them.. in fact, a number of years ago, my brother and I
35 Planetime : LAX is supposed to start in June from what I been hearing. Melbourne seems a little far fetched as the Pakistani community there is of just a tiny am
36 Bennett123 : Given that they want to introduce the A310F by 2011 and withdraw the passenger A310 by the same date, why not simply convert them.
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