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User currently offlineDcbat2072 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Does anyone know if Delta's switch of equipment from the 737 to MD-80 on the Delta Shuttle from Reagan National to LGA is permanent or just temporary?

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User currently offlineYoungFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

I read in Airways magazine that they are switching all shuttle flights between BOS, LAG, and Regan national from 733 to MD-88's from last November through this summer. Not sure if its temporary though.
Dan



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Dcbat2072 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if Delta's switch of equipment from the 737 to MD-80 on the Delta Shuttle from Reagan National to LGA is permanent or just temporary?

It's permanent.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting Dcbat2072 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if Delta's switch of equipment from the 737 to MD-80 on the Delta Shuttle from Reagan National to LGA is permanent or just temporary?



Quoting YoungFlyer (Reply 1):
I read in Airways magazine that they are switching all shuttle flights between BOS, LAG, and Regan national from 733 to MD-88's from last November through this summer. Not sure if its temporary though.

With some of their 733s being returned to lessors and others being retired, the MD-88s on the Shuttle will probably be a semi-permanent move (at least until they retire them) unless the loads on the Shuttle routes warrant the return of more of the Shuttle configured 738s.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

It's permanent. The 737-300s were returned.

User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

The 733s are leaving the fleet and the 738s are too big, so the only logical choice in the Delta fleet left is the M80s


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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 3):
unless the loads on the Shuttle routes warrant the return of more of the Shuttle configured 738s.

The 800's will not be making a return to shuttle ops.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 6):

The 800's will not be making a return to shuttle ops.

Do you think we would ever see a dedicated fleet of E190s or something similiar on it?


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
Do you think we would ever see a dedicated fleet of E190s or something similiar on it?

Not in the immediate future but the concept does exist as a possibility in the distant future.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

I think the MD-80s are a good choice for the time being--their 3x2 configuration means fewer middle seats, and their rear airstairs make it easier to deplane from the rear without having to roll up a set of stairs. Both features are popular with business travelers.

However, should loads and/or yields decrease in the future, I would think that DL Connection E170s would also work well.



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User currently offlineYoungFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

A bit unrelated, do you think DL will ever upgrade their BOS-JFK flights? They are currently operated by Comair but to me it would seem that the route would warrant a bigger plane as many people connect to DL flights from JFK.
Dan



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Quoting YoungFlyer (Reply 10):
do you think DL will ever upgrade their BOS-JFK flights?

Possible, but I think the RJ's are the right size/frequency for the route at this time.


User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 9):
I think the MD-80s are a good choice for the time being--their 3x2 configuration means fewer middle seats, and their rear airstairs make it easier to deplane from the rear without having to roll up a set of stairs. Both features are popular with business travelers.

Absolutely. Here is a prime example of Delta looking at their primary customers first before making the decisions, and making a good business decision at that.. Pity that BD over here in the UK can't do the same. Come on Delta, I love you guys, and you have my full support through these hard times!


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 12):
Come on Delta, I love you guys, and you have my full support through these hard times!

Thank you for your kind remarks. It's been rough over the last few years but I'm confident we will succeed.


User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 13):
Thank you for your kind remarks. It's been rough over the last few years but I'm confident we will succeed.

I'm completely with you, my friend, Delta are a superb airline, with great staff and a brilliant attitude towards ALL of their passengers, not just the Gold members.
I am fully with you guys, you WILL pull through, and I will be here to help that happen Big grin
Alex


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Its permanent, as all Delta Shuttle 733's have been retired. Model nbrs' 737-3L9.

As of today, there are only 8 733's in DL colors left, 737-347 models. All other models, 3B7, 35B, 3L9, and 330's are retired.

Glad I was able to fly on one last one in October before they are totally gone.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

DL Shuttle also used the 727's before the 737's . These too offered rear airstairs. I remember that they had all leather seats in blue . DL brought one to ROC for the airshow a few years ago.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

As for the 738s, they are far too capable for 250 mile runs. DL is adding in-seat video to about half of them so they can be used on the new Song style of DL mainline service on flights over 1700 miles.

Pan Am always said that McDonnell Douglas narrowbodies should never be used on the Shuttle because passengers preferred the wider cabin of Boeings. I guess PA was wrong. Eastern used DC9s, IIRC. DL's MD80s do have the large overhead bins which does help.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 17):
As for the 738s, they are far too capable for 250 mile runs. DL is adding in-seat video to about half of them so they can be used on the new Song style of DL mainline service on flights over 1700 miles.

From what I heard and maybe someone in TechOps can confirm, is that all 738s will eventually be retrofitted with PTVs. Immediate plans call for about half as you said, but long-term all will feature them...



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26488 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 17):
As for the 738s, they are far too capable for 250 mile runs.

Not at all. They are just too big.



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User currently onlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Did EA ever use the DC-8 on the shuttle run ? I was watching 'The French Connection' and i swear they took a EA DC-8 shuttle.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

When DL has only 75-80 738s, they are too capable in comparison to the other uses DL has for those aircraft. The comparison is with the missions the planes could fly more than its ability to do 250 mile hops. The 738 should be used to develop DL's longhaul transcon and near transcon routes.

User currently offlineBeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
Did EA ever use the DC-8 on the shuttle run ? I was watching 'The French Connection' and i swear they took a EA DC-8 shuttle.

From what I have read. EA never used DC-8's on the shuttle. but EA did use A-300's on the LGA-BOS leg of it. Only on that route cause they are not able to fly into DCA.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
Did EA ever use the DC-8 on the shuttle run ? I was watching 'The French Connection' and i swear they took a EA DC-8 shuttle.

I don't think DC-8s were operated at LGA by anyone due to the short runways. The 727 was developed with those runways in mind, however, and as noted above was the workhorse of both the Eastern (later Trump and then USAir) and Pan Am (later Delta) Shuttles for many years.

At one point Eastern also used A300s on the Shuttle to Boston...and these days we think 737-800s are too big for the route!

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User currently offlineTranstar01 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

One day many, many, many years ago I rode the Eastern shuttle from Newark to Boston - 3rd section and it was an Electra with the new blue stripes. Only six on board. My best friend's first plane ride. Flew through a horrendous thunderstorm. A Navy sailor sitting in the back ran to the front lavatory in very bad turbulence and lightning. He threw up on the whole run to the front before the flight attendant ordered him to sit down.

How's that for an ancient Eastern Air Shuttle story? The Electra was a great airplane!!


25 Widgetboi : Did Pan Am ever use the A300 to Boston?
26 Post contains images Lindy : Then you saw my picture beside the text too Rafal
27 MSYtristar : BOS-JFK saw some AB3's from time to time to connect with the European bank. BOS-LGA was all 72S from what I can recall.
28 DL4EVR : Don't think that's the issue. They need the 738s to fly near-transcon roues which they are more than capable of doing. However, the same thing can't
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