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User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

I saw pic's of this airline and I just wanted to know where they flew to and did they have a hub in the US...And how many flight's did they have out of ORD..Plus did they have anything bigger then a 27 in there fleet....
Plus quite a lightning storm here at MDW today....


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
I saw pic's of this airline and I just wanted to know where they flew to and did they have a hub in the US...

The first Braniff was based at:
*Oklahoma CIty, OK
*Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX/Miami, FL

They had an extensive system throughout the US Latin and South America, Asia and Europe, in fact, it was the overexpansion from 1978 to 1981 that killed them off.

The second Braniff was also based at DFW, while the third was based out of MCI??

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
Plus did they have anything bigger then a 27 in there fleet....

The flew (in the jet age):
* BAC 1-11
* BAC Aerospatiale Concorde (in coop with BA)
* Boeing 707
* Boeing 720B
* Boeing 727-100
* Boeing 727-200
* Boeing 747-100
* Boeing 747-200
* Boeing 747SP
* Douglas DC-8's of various types.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Braniff was very big in Dallas in the mid-70's. I believe they were #2rnbehind Delta and ahead of American. They had extensive flights to the midwest and the east. Aside from Seattle/Portland they didn't fly to California from Dallas until after 1978. It was all 727'srnfor domestic service. Flying colors, all the planes were painted inrndifferent colors. International hub to South America at Miami, laterrnwent to Eastern, then to American. Also some South American flights tornLima from LAX with a tag on to SFO. International service to SouthrnAmerica was DC-8, Hawaii and London service was 747's. Expanded to quickly after 1978 and was gone by 1982.

User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Thank you.. Where do you people find all of this stuff at?


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User currently offlineDFWMzuri From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

I flew them one time to Quito, Ecuador in the early 1980's. IIRC the plane was a DC-8, and the route was Chicago, Miami, Panama, Ecuador.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3999 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

I come from a proud Braniff family and have many fond memories of flying this very cutting edge and innovative carrier during it's hey day from the 60s up until it's demise in the early 80s. Below is a link to most informative and through Braniff related web site on the net. Everything from A-Z that involved Braniff is there.

http://www.braniffpages.com/

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
They had an extensive system throughout the US Latin and South America, Asia and Europe, in fact, it was the overexpansion from 1978 to 1981 that killed them off.

Indeed bad management and over expansion into unfamiliar markets was 'part' the reason for their demise. However let's not skim over the fact that AA did a great deal to push them over the edge with the abuse of their SABRE reservation system.

Thomas



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
However let's not skim over the fact that AA did a great deal to push them over the edge with the abuse of their SABRE reservation system.

As well as the time Bob Crandall called Tom Plaskett and outright ASKED him (while he was being recorded) to raise fares by 15% so AA could make more money. He was later brought to a grand jury about this I believe, although I'd have to dig up my old school reports from the attic, lol.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Reply 3):
Where do you people find all of this stuff at?

A great little web site called Google.

Braniff I... 1927 to 1982, Started in OKC then moved to DFW
Braniff II... 1984 to 1989 with very close ties to Braniff I, DFW Based
Braniff III... 1991, MCI based

http://www.braniffpages.com/



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User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
Indeed bad management and over expansion into unfamiliar markets was 'part' the reason for their demise. However let's not skim over the fact that AA did a great deal to push them over the edge with the abuse of their SABRE reservation system.

Lets just say that AA has always been a ruthless competitor.
we will wait and see what happens with the Wright Amendment
and SWA at DAL.


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3999 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 8):
Lets just say that AA has always been a ruthless competitor.

Thats the understatement of the year!

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

Excellent site. . . . I flew Braniff a lot when I was stationed in Texas . . . great airline. I liked the "Flying Colors" years.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
http://www.braniffpages.com/


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 6):
As well as the time Bob Crandall called Tom Plaskett and outright ASKED him (while he was being recorded) to raise fares by 15% so AA could make more money.

I believe you'll find that person Crandall called and had this conversation with wasn't Plaskett, but Howard Putnam, the then president of Braniff....


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Braniff I... 1927 to 1982, Started in OKC then moved to DFW

Actually, they moved from OKC to DAL. DFW came later.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
I believe you'll find that person Crandall called and had this conversation with wasn't Plaskett, but Howard Putnam, the then president of Braniff....

My mistake, sorry bout that!



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User currently offlinePgv From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
I liked the "Flying Colors" years.

Oh yeah...they had some wild designs and had quite a bit of money wrapped up in paint.

A good friend of mine, his mother was a Braniff F/A for 20 years. She was recently offered an insane amount of money for her Emilio Pucci uniforms that she had left over. Airlines were a lot different then...



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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2056 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

When Braniff #1 shut down it opened the door to the formation of another airline, MSP based Sun Country Airlines. The founders of SY were all Braniff employees.

Many of those same people are still the driving force behind the carrier today.

SY hosted a Braniff reunion hanger party back in early Oct. 2005. It was great to see all the old uniforms and other items people brought in. A gentleman even wore his old pilots uniform, complete with his ID badge. He looked like he just finished his flight for the day.

SY even named one of their planes the "Spirit Of Braniff", to honor the company



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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Braniff used to have then Terminal 2W (now Terminal B) out at DFW almost all to themselves, if I remember right. As soon as deregulation hit, Braniff applied for nearly every open route they could think of. Since the routes were granted on a use it or lose it authority, they ended up flying some really low traffic routings and overexpanding very quickly. BUF, ROC, ALB all had nonstops to DFW at some point between 1978-1981.

The Flying Pumpkin was great, the 747 that flew between DAL/DFW and HNL. The Flying Colors of Braniff used to grace the skies down here, but not even pleas from the legendary Tom Landry could save them from themselves. I have a really old Braniff timetable sitting at home, I'll run down some highlights once I get back.

Texan



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User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

They were also the airline who used the marketing tagline "Fly Me" on all their commercials. Very controversial at the time, as it was very much 'sex sells', which was ahem, racy, well, for those days anyway!!


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User currently offlineMaury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

"Fly me" was National Airlines.

Matt, you might check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braniff_Airways for a few things, too.

Braniff was an interesting carrier...all of the Lawrence's marketing hype, cool/hip/fab image stuff, and yet BN was still "the plane to Lubbock" for a lot of people.


User currently offlineJlp123 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Actually the "Fly Me" champaign was used by National Airlines.

http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/MEM-NATIONAL.html


User currently offlineJlp123 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
I saw pic's of this airline and I just wanted to know where they flew to and did they have a hub in the US...And how many flight's did they have out of ORD

Here is the answer to your original question.

11/15/1979 Braniff ORD schedule

CLE 2x
DFW 10x
IAH 3x
MCI 5x

taken from http://www.geocities.com/departing1983/index.html

I have a timetables from 1976 & 1978 at home, they show additional nonstops to ICT, OKC, and TUL, with no CLE service. I'll try to post that latter.

[Edited 2006-03-13 21:17:14]

User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
Braniff was very big in Dallas in the mid-70's. I believe they were #2rnbehind Delta and ahead of American.

Braniff was #1 at DFW until deregulation (and for a short time after) and had about 160 departures. American was always a strong #2 with about 100 departures. Delta was a distant #3 with 50 departures (they didn't start building DFW until after deregulation).


User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
Braniff was very big in Dallas in the mid-70's. I believe they were #2rnbehind Delta and ahead of American.

Braniff was #1 at DFW until deregulation (and for a short time after) and had about 160 departures. American was always a strong #2 with about 100 departures. Delta was a distant #3 with 50 departures (they didn't start building DFW until after deregulation).


User currently offlineBNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

Braniff International Airways was, simply put, the classiest and coolest airline in the skies during the late 60's,70's and early 80's ... leather seats, designer uniforms, cool route structure / hubs ---- all those S. America routes, cappucino served inflight.... no other airline could touch their style and sophistication in my eyes.

Braniff will forever live in my heart and eyes!


User currently offlinePhuebner From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Braniff II... 1984 to 1989 with very close ties to Braniff I, DFW Based
Braniff III... 1991, MCI based

According to the article you posted, isn't Braniff II MCI based and Braniff III DFW based?



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25 Jlp123 : Both Braniff II & III were based in Dallas. Braniff II moved it's base to MCO (around 88 or 89) after it's purchase of Florida Express.
26 Post contains images Thecamel67 : Check out the book (if you can find a copy) "Flying Colors" by John Nance. It is an excellent book about Braniff's beginnings, growth, and ultimate de
27 Phllax : I thought Braniff III had a lot of flights from the NE to Florida, the Bahamas and SJU?
28 Post contains images Texan : Alrighty, found the old flight schedule, let's take a trip down memory lane From Chicago Midway: Flight 525, Convair: 0130 MDW-MKC 0240-0305 MKC-ICT 0
29 Post contains images TCXDegsy : Oops, sorry guys - it's Monday!
30 Jlp123 : Okay now that I'm home now, I can offer BN ORD schedules from 1976 and 1978. Braniff ORD (Spring/Summer) 1976 DFW 9x IAH 4x MCI 7x TUL 1x ICT 1X Tota
31 Post contains links WDBRR : Here is a funny link to the "Fly Me" ads, several "girls" are featured. you have to click on each name to see...one appears to be a British Airways f
32 Post contains links and images FlyGuyClt : As a Proud former Braniff II employee. Braniff International Airways. OKC< DAL< DFW Based. Braniff Inc. DFW based. Dalfort was still at 7701 Lemon Ave
33 Post contains links and images FlyGuyClt : Braniff International Airways. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Garrard View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Garrard View Large View MediumPho
34 Post contains links CitationJet : This site has old Braniff timetables showing where the airline flew: http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/TIMETABLES-BRANIIF.html Braniff Firsts: Dur
35 BR715-A1-30 : Wasn't this the conversation when he said "You raise your god damn fares, and I'll raise my god damn fares!" ???
36 Jetdeltamsy : That conversation took place between Crandall and Howard Putnam, not Tom Plaskett. Plaskett was VP of Marketing @ AA at the time.
37 Post contains images 727LOVER : Not to add confusion,....oh, why not! but the Braniff that ended in 1982 was ACTUALLY the 3rd version, so TECHNICALLY there were 5 Braniffs.
38 Jetdeltamsy : how so? never heard that one before.
39 Post contains links 727LOVER : See reply # 16: RE: I Just Saw A Commercial For Braniff (by 727LOVER Mar 19 2004 in Civil Aviation)#ID1466187
40 NW305 : Braniff operated a very large contract for the Military Airlift Command (MAC) during the Vietnam conflict (1966-1973). Aircraft departed from Travis A
41 Post contains images NW305 :
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