Mycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3425 times:
I saw pic's of this airline and I just wanted to know where they flew to and did they have a hub in the US...And how many flight's did they have out of ORD..Plus did they have anything bigger then a 27 in there fleet....
Plus quite a lightning storm here at MDW today....
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3417 times:
Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter): I saw pic's of this airline and I just wanted to know where they flew to and did they have a hub in the US...
The first Braniff was based at:
*Oklahoma CIty, OK
*Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX/Miami, FL
They had an extensive system throughout the US Latin and South America, Asia and Europe, in fact, it was the overexpansion from 1978 to 1981 that killed them off.
The second Braniff was also based at DFW, while the third was based out of MCI??
Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter): Plus did they have anything bigger then a 27 in there fleet....
The flew (in the jet age):
* BAC 1-11
* BAC Aerospatiale Concorde (in coop with BA)
* Boeing 707
* Boeing 720B
* Boeing 727-100
* Boeing 727-200
* Boeing 747-100
* Boeing 747-200
* Boeing 747SP
* Douglas DC-8's of various types.
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
Braniff was very big in Dallas in the mid-70's. I believe they were #2rnbehind Delta and ahead of American. They had extensive flights to the midwest and the east. Aside from Seattle/Portland they didn't fly to California from Dallas until after 1978. It was all 727'srnfor domestic service. Flying colors, all the planes were painted inrndifferent colors. International hub to South America at Miami, laterrnwent to Eastern, then to American. Also some South American flights tornLima from LAX with a tag on to SFO. International service to SouthrnAmerica was DC-8, Hawaii and London service was 747's. Expanded to quickly after 1978 and was gone by 1982.
Mycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
Thank you.. Where do you people find all of this stuff at?
DFWMzuri From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 248 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3388 times:
I flew them one time to Quito, Ecuador in the early 1980's. IIRC the plane was a DC-8, and the route was Chicago, Miami, Panama, Ecuador.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
I come from a proud Braniff family and have many fond memories of flying this very cutting edge and innovative carrier during it's hey day from the 60s up until it's demise in the early 80s. Below is a link to most informative and through Braniff related web site on the net. Everything from A-Z that involved Braniff is there.
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1): They had an extensive system throughout the US Latin and South America, Asia and Europe, in fact, it was the overexpansion from 1978 to 1981 that killed them off.
Indeed bad management and over expansion into unfamiliar markets was 'part' the reason for their demise. However let's not skim over the fact that AA did a great deal to push them over the edge with the abuse of their SABRE reservation system.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5): However let's not skim over the fact that AA did a great deal to push them over the edge with the abuse of their SABRE reservation system.
As well as the time Bob Crandall called Tom Plaskett and outright ASKED him (while he was being recorded) to raise fares by 15% so AA could make more money. He was later brought to a grand jury about this I believe, although I'd have to dig up my old school reports from the attic, lol.
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9287 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3335 times:
Quoting Mycrj17 (Reply 3): Where do you people find all of this stuff at?
A great little web site called Google.
Braniff I... 1927 to 1982, Started in OKC then moved to DFW
Braniff II... 1984 to 1989 with very close ties to Braniff I, DFW Based
Braniff III... 1991, MCI based
WDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3328 times:
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5): Indeed bad management and over expansion into unfamiliar markets was 'part' the reason for their demise. However let's not skim over the fact that AA did a great deal to push them over the edge with the abuse of their SABRE reservation system.
Lets just say that AA has always been a ruthless competitor.
we will wait and see what happens with the Wright Amendment
and SWA at DAL.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3312 times:
Quoting WDBRR (Reply 8): Lets just say that AA has always been a ruthless competitor.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3172 times:
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 6): As well as the time Bob Crandall called Tom Plaskett and outright ASKED him (while he was being recorded) to raise fares by 15% so AA could make more money.
I believe you'll find that person Crandall called and had this conversation with wasn't Plaskett, but Howard Putnam, the then president of Braniff....
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3166 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): Braniff I... 1927 to 1982, Started in OKC then moved to DFW
Actually, they moved from OKC to DAL. DFW came later.
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WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3159 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11): I believe you'll find that person Crandall called and had this conversation with wasn't Plaskett, but Howard Putnam, the then president of Braniff....
My mistake, sorry bout that!
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
Oh yeah...they had some wild designs and had quite a bit of money wrapped up in paint.
A good friend of mine, his mother was a Braniff F/A for 20 years. She was recently offered an insane amount of money for her Emilio Pucci uniforms that she had left over. Airlines were a lot different then...
Sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1930 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3094 times:
When Braniff #1 shut down it opened the door to the formation of another airline, MSP based Sun Country Airlines. The founders of SY were all Braniff employees.
Many of those same people are still the driving force behind the carrier today.
SY hosted a Braniff reunion hanger party back in early Oct. 2005. It was great to see all the old uniforms and other items people brought in. A gentleman even wore his old pilots uniform, complete with his ID badge. He looked like he just finished his flight for the day.
SY even named one of their planes the "Spirit Of Braniff", to honor the company
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4204 posts, RR: 53 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
Braniff used to have then Terminal 2W (now Terminal B) out at DFW almost all to themselves, if I remember right. As soon as deregulation hit, Braniff applied for nearly every open route they could think of. Since the routes were granted on a use it or lose it authority, they ended up flying some really low traffic routings and overexpanding very quickly. BUF, ROC, ALB all had nonstops to DFW at some point between 1978-1981.
The Flying Pumpkin was great, the 747 that flew between DAL/DFW and HNL. The Flying Colors of Braniff used to grace the skies down here, but not even pleas from the legendary Tom Landry could save them from themselves. I have a really old Braniff timetable sitting at home, I'll run down some highlights once I get back.
Texan
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TCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
They were also the airline who used the marketing tagline "Fly Me" on all their commercials. Very controversial at the time, as it was very much 'sex sells', which was ahem, racy, well, for those days anyway!!
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Braniff was an interesting carrier...all of the Lawrence's marketing hype, cool/hip/fab image stuff, and yet BN was still "the plane to Lubbock" for a lot of people.
Jlp123 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter): I saw pic's of this airline and I just wanted to know where they flew to and did they have a hub in the US...And how many flight's did they have out of ORD
ORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1370 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2797 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 2): Braniff was very big in Dallas in the mid-70's. I believe they were #2rnbehind Delta and ahead of American.
Braniff was #1 at DFW until deregulation (and for a short time after) and had about 160 departures. American was always a strong #2 with about 100 departures. Delta was a distant #3 with 50 departures (they didn't start building DFW until after deregulation).
ORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1370 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2797 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 2): Braniff was very big in Dallas in the mid-70's. I believe they were #2rnbehind Delta and ahead of American.
Braniff was #1 at DFW until deregulation (and for a short time after) and had about 160 departures. American was always a strong #2 with about 100 departures. Delta was a distant #3 with 50 departures (they didn't start building DFW until after deregulation).
BNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2773 times:
Braniff International Airways was, simply put, the classiest and coolest airline in the skies during the late 60's,70's and early 80's ... leather seats, designer uniforms, cool route structure / hubs ---- all those S. America routes, cappucino served inflight.... no other airline could touch their style and sophistication in my eyes.
Phuebner From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2744 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): Braniff II... 1984 to 1989 with very close ties to Braniff I, DFW Based
Braniff III... 1991, MCI based
According to the article you posted, isn't Braniff II MCI based and Braniff III DFW based?
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25 Jlp123: Both Braniff II & III were based in Dallas. Braniff II moved it's base to MCO (around 88 or 89) after it's purchase of Florida Express.
26 Thecamel67: Check out the book (if you can find a copy) "Flying Colors" by John Nance. It is an excellent book about Braniff's beginnings, growth, and ultimate de
27 Phllax: I thought Braniff III had a lot of flights from the NE to Florida, the Bahamas and SJU?
28 Texan: Alrighty, found the old flight schedule, let's take a trip down memory lane From Chicago Midway: Flight 525, Convair: 0130 MDW-MKC 0240-0305 MKC-ICT 0
30 Jlp123: Okay now that I'm home now, I can offer BN ORD schedules from 1976 and 1978. Braniff ORD (Spring/Summer) 1976 DFW 9x IAH 4x MCI 7x TUL 1x ICT 1X Tota
31 WDBRR: Here is a funny link to the "Fly Me" ads, several "girls" are featured. you have to click on each name to see...one appears to be a British Airways f
32 FlyGuyClt: As a Proud former Braniff II employee. Braniff International Airways. OKC< DAL< DFW Based. Braniff Inc. DFW based. Dalfort was still at 7701 Lemon Ave
34 CitationJet: This site has old Braniff timetables showing where the airline flew: http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/TIMETABLES-BRANIIF.html Braniff Firsts: Dur
35 BR715-A1-30: Wasn't this the conversation when he said "You raise your god damn fares, and I'll raise my god damn fares!" ???
36 Jetdeltamsy: That conversation took place between Crandall and Howard Putnam, not Tom Plaskett. Plaskett was VP of Marketing @ AA at the time.
37 727LOVER: Not to add confusion,....oh, why not! but the Braniff that ended in 1982 was ACTUALLY the 3rd version, so TECHNICALLY there were 5 Braniffs.
38 Jetdeltamsy: how so? never heard that one before.
39 727LOVER: See reply # 16: RE: I Just Saw A Commercial For Braniff (by 727LOVER Mar 19 2004 in Civil Aviation)#ID1466187
40 NW305: Braniff operated a very large contract for the Military Airlift Command (MAC) during the Vietnam conflict (1966-1973). Aircraft departed from Travis A
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