Stealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
HI Everyone.
Sorry if the title was a little vague. But here is the actual question.
Which of the air transportation freedoms contained within the International Air Transport Agreement of the Chicago convention best describes the current air transport regulatory system of the EU?
Here are how the freedoms are broken down to my knowledge:
1st freedom- to fly over a territory of a country without landing there. (yyz-mex without having to stop in the US) Scheduled travel {cargo and commercial}
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2nd freedom- allow technical stops in countries that you are over flying
3rd freedom- airline of country "A" has the ability to transport revenue traffic to country "B"
4th freedom- reverse of 3rd freedom
5th freedom- open skies freedom. Plane originates in one country, arrives in another country deplane and board new passengers and continue onto a third country (yyz-ord-mex, AC can carry pax on all sectors and can offload and load passengers at intermediate stops)
6th freedom- a combination of 3rd and 4th freedom. Carriage of passengers from one country, stopping in the carrier's home country and the continuing into another country.
7th freedom- carrying passengers between two countries outside your home country (Pan AM old Frankfurt hub, TWA Rome Hub)
8th freedom- ex: fly from Athens to Montreal deplane and board new passengers and then continue onto Toronto
9th freedom (Grand Cabotage)- being able to transport passengers within the same country without an international flight. (AC- JFK- SFO)
So which of the above freedoms do you think best govern the skies of the EU?
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 73 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
Within the EU's common aviation market (which goes beyond the EU itself), I'd say my understanding is that it's actually "all of the above".
Swiss could fly MAD-CDG, Air France HAM-MUC, BA could be serving ZRH-VIE, ...
I know LH had some domestic flights within France a while back, but they ended that because they weren't able to compete with AF.
As far as I know, the current situation of international bilaterals kept in place only the ownership rules; this is why there's a special provision in Germany's laws for LH to be able to keep track of how many of it's shares are domestically owned (with the right to buy back foreign owned shares should the amount drop too far), and as far as I know the LH/LX and AF/KL deals also had some constructions that allowed the carriers to remain - legally, in terms of ownership - within their home countries.
EDDM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
Quoting Stealth777 (Thread starter): 8th freedom- ex: fly from Athens to Montreal deplane and board new passengers and then continue onto Toronto
What's in that rule that's not covered by another already? If AC's doing it, it's exercising its 4th freedom rights. If it's OA, it's covered by the 5th and 9th. Or is it?
Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I don't think I get this.
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