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NW At BOS During The Hub Years  
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

What were all the domestic and intertational destinations that NW served from BOS during the hub years?


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

I know they flew LAX-BOS-CDG for many years with the domestic leg alternating between a 757 and DC-10 over the years.


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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

Off the top of my head I can think of DTW, MEM, MSP, DCA, LAX, SFO, SEA MCO for domestic and AMS, ORY, LGW, FRA and GLA for International.

There was also seasonal service to MBJ-Jamaica, and BDA-Bermuda
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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4409 times:

They also did TPA,MCO and FLL from BOS. They had an Airlink division operated by Northeast Express / Precision Airlines which did alot of the short hops such as EWR,JFK,ACY,LGA,MHT,PWM and a few Canadian cities such as YHZ,YQB and YMX. They operated Metro's, DH8's and the Dornier 228. They had summer service to HYA,ACK and MVY.


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User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4398 times:

I know they had PIK at one point in the 80's with D10 service.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6538 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 2):
and AMS, ORY, LGW, FRA and GLA for International.

Service to ORY was planned but was switched to CDG before the service started.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4332 times:

From a 1 June 1987 timetable available here it looks like NW flew from BOS nonstop to Glasgow, Shannon, Gatwick and Frankfurt.

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Did NW ever use the DC10 into JFK? I remember seeing it sometimes, around 1987 or so. I was very young than, but I do know the DC10, and 747 would operate at the same time, not instead of.


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Was BOS a true NW hub (on the scale of a MSP or DTW) or a 'focus city'. And what was the time span for NW's hub operations there?

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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Focus City....never a hub in the sense of DTW or MSP. More like MEM.

The bulk of the flights @ BOS when NW was big were provided by Precision Airlines and Northeast Express....about 120 dailies between the 2 regionals.
They served:
Nantucket, Atlantic City, BWI, BurlingtonVT, Bangor, Charlottetown, St Johns, Hartford, AugustaME, AlbanyNY, Fredericton, Martha's, ManchesterNH, LebanonNH, JFK, Islip, Hyannis, Quebec, Moncton, PortlandME, Philadelphia.

And yes, NW operated the DC10 into JFK, but it was primarily the domain of the 747....EWR saw the DC10 mostly,



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User currently offlineNWBOS From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

Also, they tried an hourly DC shuttle for awhile.

User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2709 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 9):
The bulk of the flights @ BOS when NW was big were provided by Precision Airlines and Northeast Express

IIRC, after Precision and Northeast Express went Ch. 7 in the early 90's, I think Biz-Ex took over most of the flying for NW in BOS



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User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

Yes, NW did serve BOS-SEA daily with a 757. AA then operated the route with 738, now it just belongs to AS.

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 9):
And yes, NW operated the DC10 into JFK, but it was primarily the domain of the 747....EWR saw the DC10 mostly,

From where did NW fly the DC10 into JFK, EWR?



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

It didn't happen often, but I see a 3 a week DC-10 flight, JFK-MSP in 1986...
The 747....to NRT (HKG), CPH (ARN), SNN (PIK), and OSL (ARN).

The rest of the JFK operations was a 727 to DTW and TPA, with the brand new 757 to SEA.

Out of LGA, NW used the 727 to BOS, MKE, and MSP.

Out of Newark, the DC-10 went to DTW and MSP (augmented by the 727) The other equipment NW used @ EWR was the new 757 to PHX.

10 years earlier, in 1976, the 747 from JFK went to DTW, MKE, SEA and IAD.

From Newark, the DC-10 went to DTW, PHL, and IAD...3, 2, and 1 daily flights respectively....(The flight to DTW continued on for ORD, BIL, GTF, GEG, and SEA....I am not making that up...the infamous NW71/72.)

LGA had only 727s to both MSP and MKE.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

NW's BOS operations did expand when they took over some of Eastern Airlines's BOS routes.

Anyway, I came across November 2003 photo of two parked NW 747s in BOS... Must be charter or military?


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3003 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

You can add Chicago O'Hare, Cleveland and Milwaukee to the list of nonstop BOS destinations for Northwest since 1980 when NW turned Boston into more of a focus city. All three of those markets peaked at just a couple of flights per day, however.

Speaking of peaks, I don't think there was any clear peak at Boston when Northwest served all or nearly all of these markets nonstop. Certainly the days when they had the NW* flying there, of course, represent a peak of nonstop destinations. But many of the nonstop mainline markets were more on and off.


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

NW never called BOS a "focus city," as that is modern jargon! Boston was considerred their transatlantic hub. In some pamphlets, it was called their regional hub or mini hub.

And it makes sense.... A focus city really is not a hub, expecting connecting traffic. A focus city a destination the airline may add service to, primarily for point to point purposes. BOS was a true connecting hub for NW traffic.

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User currently offlineTheFlyGuy2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

I am just amazed that NW operated a DC-10 into Billings! I have a timetable from 1985, which I have made numerous references to in the past that shows NW 71/72 as a Boeing 727. How sad, I wish it were still a DC-10 at that point since I took that flight as an infant to BIL. Does anyone know when they swithced to a Boeing 727?

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

NW tried to plug in some European routes out of Boston a few short years after BN One shut down. I think they even used some former BN gates at Boston.
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User currently offlineEastbay From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Mason,

Don't forget jetBlue also flies BOS-SEA. A red-eye, or "shut-eye" flight yes, but still counts!

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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

From their timetable effective January 31, 1993, the definitive list of cities served non-stop from BOS by Northwest mainline:

AMS
BDA
CDG
DCA
DTW
FRA
GLA
LAX
LGA
LGW
MBJ
MCO
MEM
MIA
MSP
ORD
RSW
SEA
SFO
SXM
TPA

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 17):
Boston was considerred their transatlantic hub. In some pamphlets, it was called their regional hub or mini hub.

Seems to be a fitting description of the role BOS played for NW during their "hub years" there, at least in early 1993. Flights to/from domestic points other than their main hubs (DTW, MEM, MSP) were mostly timed to connect to/from their trans-Atlantic flights. Also, one of the flights to ORD, NW5, continued on to NRT, albeit with an aircraft change from 320 to 747 at ORD, with NW6 doing the reverse. And no less than 21 cities in the northeastern U.S. and eastern Canada were served non-stop from BOS by Northwest Airlink partner airlines Precision Airlines and Northeast Express.


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 18):

UA ran xmas season DC10s into bil from den for mail only....back in the late 90s



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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 19):
I think they even used some former BN gates at Boston.

NW used Terminal B (the AA side) at Boston for years, until about 1985. From B, they flew internationally to both LGW and SNN. In 1985, when they were beginning to develop their BOS hub, they moved over to Terminal E, swapping space with Continental, New York Air, and Pan Am. (CO and NY eventually merged with PE, and they moved over to the Eastern Terminal A). PA stayed at B until they folded. When DL took over the PA shuttle opperations, DL opperated the LGA flights out of B as well.



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User currently offlineCidflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Does anyone know when, and why, NW pulled the plug on the Boston mini-hub?

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 25, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Quoting Cidflyer (Reply 24):
Does anyone know when, and why, NW pulled the plug on the Boston mini-hub?

As to when, downsizing of NW mainline operations at BOS began by mid-1995; the proverbial plug had been pulled completely within 5 years:

>>NW's timetable effective January 31, 1994 included mainline non-stop flights from BOS to the same cities as one year earlier, listed in reply #21, with the exceptions of MBJ (dropped) and LGA (no mainline service, continued to be served by Airlink).

>>By June 1, 1995, NW mainline at BOS had shrunk considerably, with non-stops to:

AMS
DTW
LGW
MEM
MSP
ORD (continued to NRT, MNL with 72S to 747 aircraft change at ORD)
SEA (continued to KIX, with 320 to D10 aircraft change at SEA)

(BOS-DCA service continued, albeit with all flights opb Airlink.)

>>From Jan. 31, 1996, the list of cities served non-stop from BOS by NW mainline was the same as immediately above with the exception of LGW (BOS-LGW discontinued).

For more than two years, (Jan. 31, 1996 to April 30, 1998) the list of NW mainline cities served non-stop from BOS remained the same.

>>By Jan. 5, 1999, the list of cities served non-stop by NW mainline from BOS had been further reduced, to:

AMS
DTW
MEM
MSP
SEA

The BOS-ORD-NRT (change of planes at ORD) had been rerouted BOS-MSP-NRT (change of planes at MSP).

>>From January 5, 2000, SEA was dropped from the list of NW mainline cities served non-stop from BOS, leaving service to NW's U.S. and European hubs only.

>>Throughout the years 1993-2000, NW Airlink regional cities served non-stop to/from BOS remained essentially unchanged.


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