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Potential AirTran Route For MDW?  
User currently offlineJmhluv2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before and if it has Im sure I will be made aware of it right away, but I was wondering what airlines, if any provide direct service from MDW to SFO or LAX?
I was checking the Southwest website and they do not seem to offer such direct service, it seems if AirTran chose to these two routes, it would work for them. What do you think? I know that ORD on the other hand has plenty of flights to both LAX and SFO among others, I need not check that between AA and UAL I know they have that market covered, but it seems if people chose to drive a little south to MDW airport, and get a cheaper flight the citrus people would fill up those airplanes, your thoughts are welcome.

JMH

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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

SWA offers I think 6 or 7 nonstops a day, and they serve OAK as their bay area destination since closing the SFO station over a couple years ago. They also just recently announced nonstop service to Orange County, and they discontinued their BUR Saturday nonstop. For the bay, I don't think SJC gets any nonstops, but SMF does get 2 daily flights, and there was just some type of announcment that RNO will be getting a MDW flight in the future.


sidenote, correction after checking, SJC gets 1 daily nonstop


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5350 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

If it wasn't clear from Flyboy's post, LAX gets at least 7 WN flights per day from MDW.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2983 times:
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I think FL could co-exist with WN at MDW, especially from SFO (which has no MDW flights) and LAX. But perhaps FL needs to increase their connection opportunities at MDW before making that move...not that they have a whole lot of connections at IND.

User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2940 times:

TZ does MDW-SFO nonstop, but this service will end April 27th. FL has a history of snatching up abandoned TZ routes out of MDW (MDW to BOS, MSP, EWR, CLT) after TZ abandons them. So I would imagine that we will soon see an announcement of FL MDW-SFO, beginning after April 27th.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4595 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Quoting Chase (Reply 4):
TZ does MDW-SFO nonstop, but this service will end April 27th. FL has a history of snatching up abandoned TZ routes out of MDW (MDW to BOS, MSP, EWR, CLT) after TZ abandons them. So I would imagine that we will soon see an announcement of FL MDW-SFO, beginning after April 27th.

FL also has a history of announcing routes long before they start. This would be cutting it close with only 6 weeks notice. FL runs SFO service from only two destinations. It is possible that no additional routes to SFO get added. There is still the issue of equipment availability and the availability of gate space. Even if they had the extra 737's laying around do they have space at MDW to add a flight or two?



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

The rumours have been that airTran will add MIA and SFO this summer. We'll see...


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
FL also has a history of announcing routes long before they start. This would be cutting it close with only 6 weeks notice. FL runs SFO service from only two destinations. It is possible that no additional routes to SFO get added. There is still the issue of equipment availability and the availability of gate space. Even if they had the extra 737's laying around do they have space at MDW to add a flight or two?

I believe you are right about both equipment and gates. MDW-SFO r/t would tie up a 737 for most of the day. I wish FL had a way to speed up deliverys. Route opportunitys seem to be ample right now. The gate situation at MDW is probably about as good as it is going to get with 4 gates. I can't see any way to aquire any more. WN will never give any up and there really isn't room to build any.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4595 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

WN has a huge advantage. They have the space and equipment to work with. If FL puts up an SFO flight WN almost over night add 2x or 3x daily to SFO. They can price the flights low and push FL out of the market. If FL tries to move too fast they are going to step on toes and they don't have the equipment and gate space to fight back. With 4 gates you are pretty much limited to 40 to 48 flights. They are using 1/8th of their slots to service MSP. That doesn't leave you with much more. Maybe SFO has a better yield than MCO for example and they pull some MCO flights and reroute to SFO. Given the lack of space I guess LAS would probably be the last route to get added since apparently it is the poorest performing as far as yield goes. They will have to pick their routes and frequencies very wisely. Would MDW-SEA be a higher yielding route?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
WN has a huge advantage. They have the space and equipment to work with. If FL puts up an SFO flight WN almost over night add 2x or 3x daily to SFO. T

WN hasn't flown to SFO for more than five years.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4595 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
WN hasn't flown to SFO for more than five years.

They are getting the benefit right now from the ATA codeshare and that route is 2x daily currently. If they need to protect their interests they can always put equipment on that route. They have that option.



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
The rumours have been that airTran will add MIA and SFO this summer. We'll see...

I hope these rumors come true in the future. Florida is covered very well out of MDW by WN, but MIA is the major city missing not being operated out MDW by any airline after ATA dropped the route.

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
WN has a huge advantage. They have the space and equipment to work with. If FL puts up an SFO flight WN almost over night add 2x or 3x daily to SFO

Southwest wouldn't do anthing on this specific route if FL picked up. WN doesn't to SFO anymore. They have set up all of their operations at OAK. If WN were to do something take passengers away from FL they probably can reduce fares and increase flights on MDW-OAK. The only way WN can compete against FL if they ever open MDW-SFO is by ATA statying at SFO. But ATA and WN have other plans.

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
Given the lack of space I guess LAS would probably be the last route to get added since apparently it is the poorest performing as far as yield goes.

Airtran will never jump on MDW-LAS, it will be money losing route. WN has this route well covered with 10X daily flights and one to be added soon and that will go up to 11X daily.

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 7):
MDW-SFO r/t would tie up a 737 for most of the day.

Very true. I wonder if redeye flight would work for FL.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3047 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 10):
They are getting the benefit right now from the ATA codeshare and that route is 2x daily currently. If they need to protect their interests they can always put equipment on that route. They have that option.

ATA will be dropping SFO come April. There will no more MDW-SFO. ATA is moving its operations to OAK to better serve the codeshare between WN and ATA and the ATA Hawaii flights that will start soon out of OAK.


User currently offlineN742AT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 46 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

MDW is a great city for FL when it comes to Florida cities. It will be hit and miss with all other routes i.g. DFW, EWR and CLT. I don't thing FL will ever do a LAS route out of MDW or a SFO routes because OAK is to close to SFO and since the OAK market is already there no need for FL to go in and try to compete.

User currently offlineJmhLUV2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Great to here your thoughts about FL potentially doing MDW-SFO or MDW-LAX. I had forgotten about Southwest serving OAK. I'm sure they will up those plains on that route, considering if you fly out of ORD to SFO the fare is likely twice the price.
If FL invested flights to the route(s) I think it could work for them, but they would have to play there cards right also.
Again, it was good to here your ideas, any others?

JMH


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
Given the lack of space I guess LAS would probably be the last route to get added since apparently it is the poorest performing as far as yield goes. They will have to pick their routes and frequencies very wisely. Would MDW-SEA be a higher yielding route?

That's actually shocking that LAS would have the lowest yield for FL, then again, that's WN's largest market... What if FL added a PIT-MDW route. I don't think that there are any other airlines offering PIT-MDW service. What would that do for FL, as well as WN. I don't even think FL has any plans for additional service out of PIT, at least not yet... MDW-LAX or SFO/OAK, I could see that happening. Then in someone else's post, there really isn't any room for expansion at MDW...



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
I don't think that there are any other airlines offering PIT-MDW service.

Southwest Airlines offers 6 daily flights PIT-MDW!



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 16):
Southwest Airlines offers 6 daily flights PIT-MDW!

I meant other than WN. If I forgot to mention that, then my fault, sorry... I know WN has those flights, but I don't think anyone else offers that same route... Would any other airline be interested in serving MDT-PIT given that WN has 6 flights out of there. I am sure there would be a fare war between that airline and WN...



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
I meant other than WN. If I forgot to mention that, then my fault, sorry... I know WN has those flights, but I don't think anyone else offers that same route... Would any other airline be interested in serving MDT-PIT given that WN has 6 flights out of there. I am sure there would be a fare war between that airline and WN...

I don't think FL will be/is interested in serving PIT-MDW. WN would probably win. US probably won't either. Other than those two no airline would.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5350 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Well...it's going to be a game of connecting existing dots in 2006. With 18 brand-new 737s and 2 717s coming on line but only 2 new cities (HPN and SEA), FL has to add a bunch of flights between the existing dots. Whereas most FL dots presently connect to ATL and/or MCO, we just have to look for some savvy dot-connecting by FL, taking advantage of non-seasonal o/d traffic from Chicago. We notice that FL seems to like ex-TZ, ex-ML routes. Looking at ex-TZ, ex-ML routes to cities that FL currently serves (just not from MDW), we have SEA, DEN, PHL, DTW, HPN, DCA, and Florida. HPN was one that ML fought hard to serve from MDW, because of its business traveler potential, and it doesn't require enormous frequency to be appealing to biz travelers. DTW was a strong market for ML, but WN now covers it with 8 flights a day, and frequency would be necessary for FL to make it there. Maybe better use of MDW gates than that. SEA? Maybe. Doesn't need super-high volume, but WN covers it with 3 n/s flights per day. Still, for flights of that length, some biz class and some XM might make a difference. I'm thinkin' less likely DEN, PHL or DCA (the latter b/c of slot restrictions).

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 18):
don't think FL will be/is interested in serving PIT-MDW. WN would probably win. US probably won't either. Other than those two no airline would.

That was my thought exactly!!! And I believe US already serves ORD... So another flight or two to MDW would be utterly pointless...



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