TwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2208 times:
There are numerous posts about this. Essentially, by next year, all the NW DC-10 flights to AMS will be gone.
BHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
Quoting SK601 (Reply 3):
The demand AMS-MSP for O&D traffic is low. Its mainly connecting traffic on both sides. Same goes for DTW.
I thought as much as AMS is quite a Hub for connex pax
Do NW ever operate 744's across the pond ? surely if they have a full flight they occasionally switch eqpt ?
Even BA use a 777 to DTW (used to be 744 at one point)
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5974 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2130 times:
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4): surely if they have a full flight they occasionally switch eqpt ?
The DTW-AMS as well as MSP-AMS are booked full most of the year with load factors regularly in the 90% plus range, so it is not a question of using a 747-400 when the flight is full. They used to schedule the 747-400 from JFK and DTW but no longer unless it is an equipment substitution. With hubs on both end of the flights the bookings mount up quickly.
Redtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 204 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
Here is a copy of a reply I posted to a similar thread recently.....hope this helps.
NWA should be ceasing all DC10 flying to Europe by Nov '06. Reason for this is that the INS systems installed are 1970's vintage and are just not capable of being upgraded to meet future VNAV requirements in Europe that will come into effect by then. MEM-AMS will become an A330-200 as of that time. MSP-LGW/AMS, as well as AMS-BOM will likewise change to the A330. A330 deliveries in '06 include a -200 in Sept, a -300 in Oct, a second -200 in Nov and a second -300 in Dec. I presume that the winter flying schedule to Europe will be covered by these deliveries without need to curtail any services temporarily. Perhaps this could result in some 747-400 operations in the short term if it does not cover planned flying (this is pure speculation on my behalf). By Dec '06, there will be 24 A330s in the NWA fleet, with 6 more to follow during 2007.
On the other hand, the DC10 fleet is currently 12 or 13 flying and this will shrink to 6 or 7 by year end. DC10 flying come November will be restricted to mainland-HNL - presumably MSP-HNL, and maybe SEA-HNL, along with HNL-NRT/KIX. Sounds like the current plan is for them to be out of the fleet sometime in 2008. So, if you want to fly on a truely classic aircraft, you now know your options!!! The EWR-AMS service for KLM will continue through March until KLM's 747-400 returns to service. The EWR-AMS service will be a combination of DC10 and A330.
BHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2092 times:
Thanks RedtailMSP...
Do you know what NW are planning in the longterm ?
Im sorry if this is already well known or has been previously been discussed but do they look to purchase either the usual suspects (787/A350) or the 748 ?
It doesnt appear that the A330's are just stop gaps until the A350 is ready. But I dont doubt that NW would want fleet commonality when they eventually add more long haul planes once they begin to retire the 744's
RamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2063 times:
Could they not replace the INS system with IRS? IRS is better and probably wouldn't cost as much as an A330.
SR
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5974 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2019 times:
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 7): Im sorry if this is already well known or has been previously been discussed but do they look to purchase either the usual suspects (787/A350) or the 748
Northwest has already ordered the 787 and will be the first US carrier to fly the new aircraft.
JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4597 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1789 times:
Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 8): Could they not replace the INS system with IRS? IRS is better and probably wouldn't cost as much as an A330.
SR
They are replacing the DC-10's anyway, so why bother upgrading?
Quoting SK601 (Reply 3): A few years ago NW had 5 daily DTW flights
I believe that was the summer shedule, and I believe it was the case last summer as well. And this summer we will have 5 A333's operating the route daily!
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NWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 662 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1750 times:
As far as I know from checking the schedule on NWA.com there are still 3 daily DTW-AMS, however there may be a fourth one added on different days, I didn't put too much effort into the search.
in July 2002 KL used a 747 for AMS-DTW, I dont know if it was an equipment change or not but I was on it
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
NW's long term includes replacing their DC-10's with A330s, which are cheap and available now. NW has pretty much committed to Airbus. They are replacing their DC-9's with A320s, A319s, and soon a fleet of E190s, in addition to their current CRJ fleet, which is replacing the Avro RJ's. The big question is what they'll do to replace their 744 fleet. Northwest runs their planes into the ground. I'm sure it will be 10 years at least before we see any movement to replace the very effective 744s on their Asia routes. I'm split between either 748 or A346 to replace them.
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SK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 975 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
Quoting TWFirst (Reply 18): Was that switched back from KL recently or temporarily?
It's temporarily and in effect since February IIRC. A KLM B747-400 got severly damaged after a pushback incident, therefore KL had to switch a B747 destination (YYZ) to a B777 (JFK). The JFK flight was replaced with the B767 and A330 that is used for EWR, and EWR is now operated by NW (DC10/A330).
GDMCA From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
while on the subject of NW I noticed that MSP-LGW has started again for the summer, anyone know if they're using the D10? or a mix with A330s some days?
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 7): But I dont doubt that NW would want fleet commonality when they eventually add more long haul planes once they begin to retire the 744's
NW is certainly not replacing their 744s with an A350.
NW has quite the schedule from AMS. It's something similar to the variety that used to be offered from UA at LHR, but that has since declined. NW is a truly unique carrier, and I wish them continued success at AMS.
With the number of flights into AMS and the current aircraft (A330, wich is 'comparable' to the 787), I would say the chances are high. But a lot can change.
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Transaero From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1371 times:
Northwest is using the A-330-300 on the MSP-LGW route until april 1st when it will revert back to a DC-10. Then later this year I belive it will change to a A-330-200 and remain year round is the plan. It just started back up on March 10th.
25 Centrair: Actually I see them not being replaced. Reason? With the 787 they will be be able to over fly Japan. They are loosing out to CO and UA doing non-stop
26 FlyDreamliner: If NW loses their strong hold on TPAC flights, which have long been their most profitable, they are in trouble. I think some of their routes they migh
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