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User currently offlineOrlando666 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Todays NW Departures ex-AMS (By NW Aircraft):

07:50 DTW NW39 333
09:20 EWR NW63 D1C
10:20 BOM NW42 D1C
10:35 MSP NW41 333
10:40 DTW NW67 333
12:30 SEA NW33 332
13:50 BOS NW37 333
14:00 MEM NW57 D1C
14:05 MSP NW45 333
14:25 DTW NW53 333
16:25 MSP NW55 D1C

Does anyone know when the D1C's will be retired and we will see all Airbus ops at AMS?

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User currently offlineTwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

There are numerous posts about this. Essentially, by next year, all the NW DC-10 flights to AMS will be gone.

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting Orlando666 (Thread starter):
07:50 DTW NW39 333
09:20 EWR NW63 D1C
10:20 BOM NW42 D1C
10:35 MSP NW41 333
10:40 DTW NW67 333
12:30 SEA NW33 332
13:50 BOS NW37 333
14:00 MEM NW57 D1C
14:05 MSP NW45 333
14:25 DTW NW53 333
16:25 MSP NW55 D1C

Wow, I never knew NW had such a big AMS op.
why so many MSP flights ? Is the demand that high ?!


User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
Wow, I never knew NW had such a big AMS op

It used to be even more. A few years ago NW had 5 daily DTW flights and they flew also to JFK, IAD (now KL) and PHL(ceased op.)

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 2):
why so many MSP flights ? Is the demand that high ?!

The demand AMS-MSP for O&D traffic is low. Its mainly connecting traffic on both sides. Same goes for DTW.


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 3):

The demand AMS-MSP for O&D traffic is low. Its mainly connecting traffic on both sides. Same goes for DTW.

I thought as much as AMS is quite a Hub for connex pax
Do NW ever operate 744's across the pond ? surely if they have a full flight they occasionally switch eqpt ?
Even BA use a 777 to DTW (used to be 744 at one point)


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6535 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4):
surely if they have a full flight they occasionally switch eqpt ?

The DTW-AMS as well as MSP-AMS are booked full most of the year with load factors regularly in the 90% plus range, so it is not a question of using a 747-400 when the flight is full. They used to schedule the 747-400 from JFK and DTW but no longer unless it is an equipment substitution. With hubs on both end of the flights the bookings mount up quickly.


User currently offlineRedtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Here is a copy of a reply I posted to a similar thread recently.....hope this helps.

NWA should be ceasing all DC10 flying to Europe by Nov '06. Reason for this is that the INS systems installed are 1970's vintage and are just not capable of being upgraded to meet future VNAV requirements in Europe that will come into effect by then. MEM-AMS will become an A330-200 as of that time. MSP-LGW/AMS, as well as AMS-BOM will likewise change to the A330. A330 deliveries in '06 include a -200 in Sept, a -300 in Oct, a second -200 in Nov and a second -300 in Dec. I presume that the winter flying schedule to Europe will be covered by these deliveries without need to curtail any services temporarily. Perhaps this could result in some 747-400 operations in the short term if it does not cover planned flying (this is pure speculation on my behalf). By Dec '06, there will be 24 A330s in the NWA fleet, with 6 more to follow during 2007.

On the other hand, the DC10 fleet is currently 12 or 13 flying and this will shrink to 6 or 7 by year end. DC10 flying come November will be restricted to mainland-HNL - presumably MSP-HNL, and maybe SEA-HNL, along with HNL-NRT/KIX. Sounds like the current plan is for them to be out of the fleet sometime in 2008. So, if you want to fly on a truely classic aircraft, you now know your options!!! The EWR-AMS service for KLM will continue through March until KLM's 747-400 returns to service. The EWR-AMS service will be a combination of DC10 and A330.


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1092 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Thanks RedtailMSP...

Do you know what NW are planning in the longterm ?
Im sorry if this is already well known or has been previously been discussed but do they look to purchase either the usual suspects (787/A350) or the 748 ?
It doesnt appear that the A330's are just stop gaps until the A350 is ready. But I dont doubt that NW would want fleet commonality when they eventually add more long haul planes once they begin to retire the 744's


User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Could they not replace the INS system with IRS? IRS is better and probably wouldn't cost as much as an A330.
SR



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6535 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 7):
Im sorry if this is already well known or has been previously been discussed but do they look to purchase either the usual suspects (787/A350) or the 748

Northwest has already ordered the 787 and will be the first US carrier to fly the new aircraft.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

Didn't NW recently pick up some ex-JAS DC-10-30 models?
By recently, I mean within the last 3 years or so?

Were those short term leases? Are they still in the fleet? And, why would NW pick these up since the DC-10 phase out began some time ago?

I think it was three (3)?



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4):
Do NW ever operate 744's across the pond ?

They used to. I flew AMS-DTW in '99 on a NW 744. My first time on a 744.

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4723 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 8):
Could they not replace the INS system with IRS? IRS is better and probably wouldn't cost as much as an A330.
SR

They are replacing the DC-10's anyway, so why bother upgrading?

Quoting SK601 (Reply 3):
A few years ago NW had 5 daily DTW flights

I believe that was the summer shedule, and I believe it was the case last summer as well. And this summer we will have 5 A333's operating the route daily!



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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

As far as I know from checking the schedule on NWA.com there are still 3 daily DTW-AMS, however there may be a fourth one added on different days, I didn't put too much effort into the search.


in July 2002 KL used a 747 for AMS-DTW, I dont know if it was an equipment change or not but I was on it Smile


User currently offlineDmt52 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
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Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 4):
Even BA use a 777 to DTW (used to be 744 at one point

BA has switched to a 767 on the DTW-LHR route. At least that is what it was on March 11.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7364 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2515 times:
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Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):

Northwest has already ordered the 787 and will be the first US carrier to fly the new aircraft.

Will NW fly the 787 into AMS?

I flew a NW/KL flight from MEM to AMS back before 9/11. Wonderful flight!

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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

NW had a 744 as NW43 on DTW-AMS in May 2001. And I flew KL B747 as KL617 on Jan 7 2002 AMS-DTW.


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

NW's long term includes replacing their DC-10's with A330s, which are cheap and available now. NW has pretty much committed to Airbus. They are replacing their DC-9's with A320s, A319s, and soon a fleet of E190s, in addition to their current CRJ fleet, which is replacing the Avro RJ's. The big question is what they'll do to replace their 744 fleet. Northwest runs their planes into the ground. I'm sure it will be 10 years at least before we see any movement to replace the very effective 744s on their Asia routes. I'm split between either 748 or A346 to replace them.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Why is NW flying AMS-EWR today? Was that switched back from KL recently or temporarily?


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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 18):
Was that switched back from KL recently or temporarily?

It's temporarily and in effect since February IIRC. A KLM B747-400 got severly damaged after a pushback incident, therefore KL had to switch a B747 destination (YYZ) to a B777 (JFK). The JFK flight was replaced with the B767 and A330 that is used for EWR, and EWR is now operated by NW (DC10/A330).


User currently offlineGDMCA From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

while on the subject of NW I noticed that MSP-LGW has started again for the summer, anyone know if they're using the D10? or a mix with A330s some days?

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 7):
But I dont doubt that NW would want fleet commonality when they eventually add more long haul planes once they begin to retire the 744's

NW is certainly not replacing their 744s with an A350.

NW has quite the schedule from AMS. It's something similar to the variety that used to be offered from UA at LHR, but that has since declined. NW is a truly unique carrier, and I wish them continued success at AMS.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4723 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 15):

Will NW fly the 787 into AMS?

With the number of flights into AMS and the current aircraft (A330, wich is 'comparable' to the 787), I would say the chances are high. But a lot can change.



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

I think the 787s are for TPAC. For TATL we will see only A333sa and 332s simply because theyr are here to stay.

NW ordered only 18 B787s (and 50 options). They can easily use those 18 planes in TPAC.



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User currently offlineTransaero From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Northwest is using the A-330-300 on the MSP-LGW route until april 1st when it will revert back to a DC-10. Then later this year I belive it will change to a A-330-200 and remain year round is the plan. It just started back up on March 10th.

25 Post contains images Centrair : Actually I see them not being replaced. Reason? With the 787 they will be be able to over fly Japan. They are loosing out to CO and UA doing non-stop
26 FlyDreamliner : If NW loses their strong hold on TPAC flights, which have long been their most profitable, they are in trouble. I think some of their routes they migh
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