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AS MD-80 Retirement To Increase 737 Fleet  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4953 times:
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Alaska Airlines have confirmed they will retire their MD-80 Fleet and speed their transition to becoming an all 737 operator by increasing the delivery schedule of their 737 order placed last year.

SEATTLE, March 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Alaska Airlines today announced that the Alaska Air Group Board of Directors has authorized a plan to transition the airline to a fleet of all-Boeing 737 aircraft by the end of 2008. The board's action will accelerate the retirement of the airline's MD-80 fleet.

To accomplish the transition, Alaska now anticipates taking delivery of 39 737 800s between 2006 and 2008, including the two aircraft that have already been delivered in 2006. In addition to these airplanes, Alaska has firm commitments for 13 aircraft, options for 24 and purchase rights for 27 in 2009 and beyond.


Any chance we see AS place an add-on order to what they committed to last year?

http://newsroom.alaskaair.com

Regards, PanAm_DC10


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5946 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4950 times:
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It would be cool to see AS purchase a few 737-900ER airplanes. Wishful thinking...I know. Or maybe they'll order a few 737-700ER's.

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Great news for both Alaska and Boeing.... This order comes at the right time for boeing, since 2006 didn't had a to good start when looking at orders.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 2):
Great news for both Alaska and Boeing.... This order comes at the right time for boeing, since 2006 didn't had a to good start when looking at orders.

I don't think you can really say this, given that the industry is "recovering" from the classic end-of-year order rush. Sales are always a little slow because everyone rushed to get their new orders in. This happens in most industries.



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User currently offline737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

All I can say is AMEN!!!

This can't come soon enough, I used to like the MDs, but their "reliability" has been less than stellar the past few years.

The only thing that sucks is that projected growth will slow down and the fleet will only be at 114 by the end of 2008, only a net gain of 4 frames. Most growth will come from the increase in seats and greater block hours, so we will probably see few new markets in the next three years. Also interesting to hear on the conference call is that AS will return two 737-700s back to the leasing company, bring that fleet down to 20 by the end of this year. Is this a CASM decision?



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User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

Way to go Boeing and AS!

Hey - another all 737 operator - what is that other successful, profitable airline called that operates an all 737 fleet?

 bomb 



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5946 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4687 times:
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Interesting that AS is returning a pair of 73G's. Maybe those airplanes will be modified to meet ETOPS and go to AQ for further expansion. HA! I wonder how likely that would be.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6185 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Fortunatly this was in the works the last few weeks, but I had to stay tight lipped till announced. The 2010 plan will be well behind, which is fine by me. I think it had way to much expansion for such a short period of time with this plan. This was why in the Indy thread I said that you shouldn't look for Indy anytime soon. AS will increase point to point connecting selected cities. Also, don't be surprised if AS shy's away from any more vacation destinations in Mexico, and goes more for the VFR type's of flights. The only vacation destination I hear coming is to the west.

Bye-bye Mad-dog's!

ASLAX



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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 4):
Also interesting to hear on the conference call is that AS will return two 737-700s back to the leasing company, bring that fleet down to 20 by the end of this year. Is this a CASM decision?

I haven't had a chance to listen to the whole conference call yet.
That is interesting about the 2 700s going back to the lessors.
I know that only 19 of the 22 700s have been modified with winglets,
so it is possible that the lessor of these 2 aircraft didn't want them modified.
As far as a CASM decision goes, we don't seem to have any problem
filling the 700s, so if they are replaced by larger aircraft, that seems like
a good move to me.



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

*crosses fingers for another BOS-SEA r/t and a BOS-PDX r/t*

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4270 times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...erospace/2002862857_webmd8013.html

Another article...



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User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

Quote:
A new agreement with Boeing to speed up delivery of the 737-800s was a "key element" in being able to get rid of the remaining MD-80s by the end of 2008, the airline said.

Switching to an all-737 fleet is expected to save more than $115 million per year in operating expenses once the transition is completed, Alaska said.

But the cost to make the switch will be $750 million. That includes the costs of buying new 737s and training MD-80 pilots to fly the planes. There are also costs associated with selling 15 of the MD-80s and ending the leases on the other 11.

Alaska said it can essentially replace 26 of the McDonnell Douglas planes, which seat 140 passengers, with 18 737-800s that seat 157 passengers. The 737-800s will be used about 11 hours per day, compared with fewer than 10 hours a day now for the MD-80. That's because the new jets will not need to spend as much time in maintenance.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/262801_alaska14.html


User currently offlineSABE From Argentina, joined Jun 2005, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

So will AA take the AS MD-80s?  Smile


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6185 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

SABE...I doubt it.AA doesn't want to get rid of the MD80's yet, but I dont think they want to add any used one's to the mix. I'd have to say no to American adding ex-AS MD's. Now I could see Allegiant taking some of the newer ones.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineDCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Goodbye Maddog's. Hello fewer maintenance delays.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
Interesting that AS is returning a pair of 73G's.

The answer:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 8):
I know that only 19 of the 22 700s have been modified with winglets,
so it is possible that the lessor of these 2 aircraft didn't want them modified.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5946 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3762 times:
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SABE...my guess is that many of the MD-80's will go to G4.

User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 8):
That is interesting about the 2 700s going back to the lessors.
I know that only 19 of the 22 700s have been modified with winglets

The 700's are being returned due to the fact that we can not install winglets on them.


User currently offlineAirbrasil From Brazil, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

I wish could add some new cities on the east coast.. but thats just a dream!

Airbrasil


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3947 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3580 times:
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Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 5):
what is that other successful, profitable airline called that operates an all 737 fleet?

Mostly low cost carriers: Virgin Express, Southwest and Ryanair, the latter two operating the B737 in large number. I think Aloha also has only 737's in its fleet.

Alaska is talking about moving towards an all 737 fleet, but I wonder if the 400's will stay longer than the MD-80's will. They probably will stay in the fleet a little longer than the MD-80's will. The 400's will stay for a while, but of course they will leave the fleet sooner than the NG's will.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6185 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Ben..well considering we sent (2) 737-400 to Alabama to be converted to freighters and combi with 3 more going, I think the 400 is here for a while. The thread was that the MD80's will be gone in 2008, so I assure you the 400 is not going anywhere soon.

ASLAX



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