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EK Upgrades IST To 773  
User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3466 times:

According to Turkish Newspaper Hurriyet, EK upgraded DXB-IST from A 330 to 773(from 278 pax to 427 pax) According to the article after having flown the route with 99% load factor for months the airline decided to upgrade the route. The article doesn't specifically say if this is current or will be soon, so If anyone can clarify that I would appreciate it.
I know DXB became a very hot vacation spot for the Turks and all, but I think the success of the route is also due to connecting pax to Australia and Africa
Here is the article(In turkish only)
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/4064279.asp?yazarid=41


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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Wow- that's a lot of plane!
They occasionally op 773s into Beirut during peak summer days too.
Nice to see that IST can sustain it



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Thread starter):
I know DXB became a very hot vacation spot for the Turks and all, but I think the success of the route is also due to connecting pax to Australia and Africa

Is there a visa requirement for Turkish citizens in DXB?
If not, it will make sense to go shopping there instead of Europe.
I agree with the Australia and Africa connecting pax. When I was looking for a IST-JNB ticket last January, the EK site had the cheapest fare but with a 35 hour layover in DXB on one of the legs.


User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Yes, UAE requires visa from Turkish citizens. It is rather easy to get. We just need to fax copies of our passport and pay the fee.

I think EK would do much better if they added a second daily A330 to the existing one in favour of better connections. They could then offer much better connections and receive more requests..



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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 1):
Wow- that's a lot of plane!
They occasionally op 773s into Beirut during peak summer days too.
Nice to see that IST can sustain it

I know but the destination has become very popular with Turkish PAX and is offering vacation options for both luxury and average customer.

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 3):
I think EK would do much better if they added a second daily A330 to the existing one in favour of better connections. They could then offer much better connections and receive more requests.

I agree! But I think They are going 773 year round from now on. I don't know if this will get TK's attention, the more planes EK get the more pax they can carry beyond DXB out of IST.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 1):
Wow- that's a lot of plane!
They occasionally op 773s into Beirut during peak summer days too.
Nice to see that IST can sustain it

Keep in mind that Beirut's frequency is twice daily (except Monday in which there is only one flight).



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User currently offlineFiriko From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

I was in Emirates istanbul town office last summer and staff there knew about it already back then but they said it was mainly due to lack of slots in Ataturk airport and the demand for cargo which made them upgrade the aircraft rather than get a second daily flight.

User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1757 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Quoting Firiko (Reply 6):
but they said it was mainly due to lack of slots in Ataturk airport and the demand for cargo which made them upgrade the aircraft rather than get a second daily flight.

Firiko,
you hit the nail in the head. IST is becoming a very hard place to get into because of the slot issues. So, a single big airliner is an answer.

Also, I think THY started to run the market with frequent equipment swaps for A330 instead of a usual 738.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

When I was in Istanbul last week I saw an EK B773 approach IST. I assume this was a last minute equipment substitute. Here is a poor quality picture I took of it near Ataturk Bulvari:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6817/p10100672ut.jpg
(click to enlarge)

Horus



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User currently offlineZoheb From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Actually it's been upgraded to a Boeing 777-300ER (77W).

User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting Zoheb (Reply 9):
Actually it's been upgraded to a Boeing 777-300ER (77W).

That seems like a waste given the 77W's range, unless this is a proving run.

Anyone know how many have been delivered to EK thus far?


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Quoting Firiko (Reply 6):
them upgrade the aircraft rather than get a second
daily flight.

If I remember correctly the UAE-Turkey bilateral has frequency limitations. While Dubai maintains an open skies policy, I'm not sure there are additional frequencies available for Emirates under the larger UAE bilateral.
Also keep in mind Emirates operates to Istanbul A310 & B747 cargo flights in addition to its passenger service, which eat into the allocation.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 10):
seems like a waste given the 77W's range

Might be a waste range wise, however needed capacity wise.



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User currently offline777boi From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Thanks for the info. I was on holidays last week in IST and i swore i saw an EK 773 fly over the city, but couldnt be sure. The night that my mom and I flew out, our plane was sitting next to an EK 343. Seems they are making use of all a/c on this route.

User currently offlineOrlando666 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

SQ operates 4 times per week DXB > IST 777-300 with full 5th freedom rights.
TK flies daily 737-800 (sometimes A310-300).


User currently offlineN503JB From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 13):
SQ operates 4 times per week DXB > IST 777-300 with full 5th freedom rights.
TK flies daily 737-800 (sometimes A310-300).

CX want DXB - IST 4 times per week 5th freedom rights but rejected by TK.



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User currently offlineEK380 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 10):
That seems like a waste given the 77W's range, unless this is a proving run.

Anyone know how many have been delivered to EK thus far?

I think theyve just got their 12th 777-300ER aircraft recently


User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

They must be making good money if they have 427 pax on board.

User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 930 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Orlando 666:

I flew on SQ to Bangkok via Singapore and also way back to Istanbul from Singapore.
In Singapore I tried to make my check-in from an SQ office before 3 days to my flight but I couldn't able to find an empty window seat. I am told that because of high demand on DXB - IST leg, they couldn't have helped me.

Also I saw on the DXB stop, may be half of the pax are replaced with the new ones from UAE.

I guess in near future TK may begin DXB flights by 330s.


User currently offlineEmirates Skies From Australia, joined Nov 2001, 171 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

I wish EK started a new DXB-IST flight arriving at about 6am, or 12noon at the very latest. Just have to wait a bit, because I'm pretty confident that in the medium-term, IST will go double daily.


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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting N503JB (Reply 14):
CX want DXB - IST 4 times per week 5th freedom rights but rejected by TK.

You don't think the market is there for a flight from HKG with maybe a stopover somewhere else or direct to IST?(range a problem?) I think IST is a missing destination in CX's network.
Same goes for SQ?



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2743 times:

Hi Gokmengs,
HKG-IST around 5000 miles wouldn't be a problem for CX. Do you mean SQ to fly direct to IST instead of a stop in DBX?


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 20):
Hi Gokmengs,
HKG-IST around 5000 miles wouldn't be a problem for CX. Do you mean SQ to fly direct to IST instead of a stop in DBX?

Selam TK787
My bad youare right HKG-IST is no problem, so why do they want to do it with a stop at DXB, when EK and SQ is already doing that? A non-stop could be very good for CX.
And yes I was asking about SIN-IST direct for SQ?



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User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 930 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2717 times:

CX tried this route a few years ago but it was not so successful I guess they stopped it. I remember their beautiful 340s in IST.

BTW I guess SQ cannot full the plane without DXB stop. With a stop at DXB they are always full.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 21):
And yes I was asking about SIN-IST direct for SQ?

I am all for non-stops, but could this be because of what "Laxintl" mentioned earlier about bilaterals?


User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Being in the travel industry and a brother of a CX's local staff back then, I can tell CX's operation was quite successful.

Flights were suspended following 9/11 and they have not returned to ZRH, MAN and IST since then.

They are rather concentrated on other European Airports like FRA, LHR, AMS, CDG, FCO with more frequencies..



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25 MUCflieger : EK willl also upgrade one of their two daily flights MUC-DXB from A330 to B777/A340. Source: Munich Airport Newsletter
26 N503JB : By the way, TK is going operates non-stop service between IST-HKG effective 30 Mar 2006. I being advices from a lot of CX insider in Hong Kong they w
27 777boi : I have already seen the TK A330 in DXB on several occasions... Guess at certain times the demand is already there!
28 IndianicWorld : Is there much legroom on these 777-300ER's? I am flying from MEL to DXB then onto IST in June and would like to know if anyone has been on these plane
29 Emrecan : IndianicWorld: I've been on Singapore 777-312 last year 2 times (Both SQ flights) and the legroom was ok for me (I am 1,87m) I dont know the airline y
30 TK787 : When I flew them last summer Air France 773ER had the worst leg room on JFK-CDG, and I am 5-11. On the other hand, all cattle class are the same exce
31 IndianicWorld : Thanks for that feedback. I will be flying EK, which I seem to be hearing is very cramped.
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